DUST Search - HAVS ARE CRUTCHES AS MUCH AS SL ARE.

Surt gods end wrote:

Poplo Furuya wrote:

Surt gods end wrote:

Jason Pearson wrote:

When CCP decides Vehicles don't need SP, I'll fight on the ground, want to know why I severely need my tank to survive? All my SP is in Vehicles, I cannot compete on the ground.

So long story short, get ******, I'm not fighting people with 10-20million SP more than me.

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Same company different studios, one has near perfected the player feedback process, the other is still rolling on the floor after it fell over its first baby step.

I'm gonna quote this jason. how about the guy that pops all his SP in AV. But doesn't have enough for a decent smg? You don't How see how HAV AND SL users share the same similarities? With some gun game, BOTH THE HAV AND SL are just ducks that wonder in on the wrong season.

Mate, mate. I went all-in on AV initially. It was 300k SP to get my Scrambler Pistol to a decent level, 800k SP to make it great. My core infantry skills also help me whenever I'm doing anything that's not AV... nor can I be comprehensively locked out of playing any infantry role in a given match.

Our situation is *far* better than theirs.

MY AV SUIT IS A SCOUT. My side arm are is ISH. My survivability depends on how many are near the hav, and how fast I can run to restock. But I survive more than half of 1vs1. AR or SHOTTY. Add 2 players there and I'm probably dead. But it's not about hav users going infantry, it's about them being able to survive to make it to the red line, call another hav. that takes some sort of gun skill. NO EXCUSE IN A FPS NOT TO HAVE IT.

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Surt gods end Demon Ronin 837	Posted - 2013.08.23 14:19:00 - [1] - Quote What? you didn't read title? Simple. Driving a HAV is no excuse to suck when your boots on are the ground. To many times it's the same turtle with out a shell scenario. But thing is.. IT'S ONLY WITH THIS GAME! lol Other dedicated pilots and drivers from other FPS games know their way around a gun. Losing a HAV or putting their boots on the ground doesn't equate to instant death for them. Too many times I've seen and killed the poor sob that lost his tank and with tears in his eyes, charges at me to only die quickly. If your a HAV driver, but have kept up your gun game, than this post is not for you. But those that SEVERELY RELY ON THEIR TANK TO STAY ALIVE, I can see why some QQ constantly. I was a OHK before I took up the swarms. I did it cause I was bored. But on the field I know my around a gun. (sad if I didn't since FPS make up 80% of my diet since I was a teen) Swarms aren't a crutch for me, cause before I'm hunting HAVs and DS, I'm hunting the snipers and forge gunners that protect them with my Ish smg. Crutches aren't good. cause on the battlefield, it's the solder that holding crutches that would get shot first. Balance out, SL and HAV players.
Delta 749 Kestrel Reconnaissance 1812	Posted - 2013.08.23 14:26:00 - [2] - Quote I want a big golden chalice to collect the tank drivers tears that will flow due to this thread
Jason Pearson Seraphim Auxiliaries 2654	Posted - 2013.08.23 14:26:00 - [3] - Quote When CCP decides Vehicles don't need SP, I'll fight on the ground, want to know why I severely need my tank to survive? All my SP is in Vehicles, I cannot compete on the ground. So long story short, get ****, I'm not fighting people with 10-20million SP more than me. King of the Forums // Seraphim <3 Comment and like this thread about PvE, Here! Also, check out the Indirect Fire ability, Here! gbghg wrote:** CCP Rejavik CCP Shanghia Same company different studios, one has near perfected the player feedback process, the other is still rolling on the floor after it fell over its first baby step.
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 993	Posted - 2013.08.23 14:31:00 - [4] - Quote OP a crutch user 2mil for lolprotoswarms - covers the battlefield and denys all vehicles lol he wants me to get out of my tank and kill him instead of using a tank, then riddle me this what use is the tank if i have to get out and kill you instead of using what a specailized in aka a ******* tank CoD is still around, go and play with the dog its about your skill level
7 Djin D.A.R.K Academy D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 3	Posted - 2013.08.23 14:33:00 - [5] - Quote Jason Pearson wrote: When CCP decides Vehicles don't need SP, I'll fight on the ground, want to know why I severely need my tank to survive? All my SP is in Vehicles, I cannot compete on the ground. So long story short, get ******, I'm not fighting people with 10-20million SP more than me. [/quote] You must fight how us with less than 2M sp fight, in cover, in the shadows, behind team members. It's actually fun and you could learn a thing or two running with us.
Charlotte O'Dell 0uter.Heaven 1051	Posted - 2013.08.23 14:36:00 - [6] - Quote So you're mad BC we are mad BC we want good tanks?
Csikszent Mihalyi DUST University Ivy League 68	Posted - 2013.08.23 14:44:00 - [7] - Quote Jason Pearson wrote: When CCP decides Vehicles don't need SP, I'll fight on the ground, want to know why I severely need my tank to survive? All my SP is in Vehicles, I cannot compete on the ground. So long story short, get ******, I'm not fighting people with 10-20million SP more than me. So I guess I should just go home and not even try to compete then, since clearly it's not possible with ~one million SP? I may be outclassed a lot, but that doesn't mean I can't hold my own. When I train into vehicles, I'll want to be sure that I don't entirely rely on them.
Cy Clone1 Intara Direct Action Caldari State 218	Posted - 2013.08.23 14:44:00 - [8] - Quote you wont ever find me rushing at you in my militia caldari suit, militia assault rifle are like tickle machines to them proto suits.
Repe Susi Rautaleijona Top Men. 593	Posted - 2013.08.23 14:45:00 - [9] - Quote Charlotte O'Dell wrote: So you're mad BC we are mad BC we want good tanks? I understand specialization but I don`t understand the tankers crying. 90% of the games I play, tankers are if not the 1st, at least in the top three.
Surt gods end Demon Ronin 842	Posted - 2013.08.23 14:49:00 - [10] - Quote Jason Pearson wrote: When CCP decides Vehicles don't need SP, I'll fight on the ground, want to know why I severely need my tank to survive? All my SP is in Vehicles, I cannot compete on the ground. So long story short, get ****, I'm not fighting people with 10-20million SP more than me. King of the Forums // Seraphim <3 Comment and like this thread about PvE, Here! Also, check out the Indirect Fire ability, Here! gbghg wrote:** CCP Rejavik CCP Shanghia Same company different studios, one has near perfected the player feedback process, the other is still rolling on the floor after it fell over its first baby step. I'm gonna quote this jason. how about the guy that pops all his SP in AV. But doesn't have enough for a decent smg? You don't How see how HAV AND SL users share the same similarities? With some gun game, BOTH THE HAV AND SL are just ducks that wonder in on the wrong season.

Surt gods end Demon Ronin 842	Posted - 2013.08.23 14:53:00 - [11] - Quote Charlotte O'Dell wrote: So you're mad BC we are mad BC we want good tanks? Not mad, but I want HAVs to notice that SL users are just as defensless as they are out of a tank. I'm not speaking for the AV nades throwing bunch. just the guys who speck all into SL and then are sitting ducks. JUST LIKE TANKERS WITH OUT TANKS. Sl users should know their way around a gun a swell. not to charge at enemy lines, but to survive.
Jason Pearson Seraphim Auxiliaries 2655	Posted - 2013.08.23 14:56:00 - [12] - Quote Surt gods end wrote: Jason Pearson wrote: When CCP decides Vehicles don't need SP, I'll fight on the ground, want to know why I severely need my tank to survive? All my SP is in Vehicles, I cannot compete on the ground. So long story short, get ****, I'm not fighting people with 10-20million SP more than me. King of the Forums // Seraphim <3 Comment and like this thread about PvE, Here! Also, check out the Indirect Fire ability, Here! gbghg wrote: CCP Rejavik CCP Shanghia Same company different studios, one has near perfected the player feedback process, the other is still rolling on the floor after it fell over its first baby step. I'm gonna quote this jason. how about the guy that pops all his SP in AV. But doesn't have enough for a decent smg? You don't How see how HAV AND SL users share the same similarities? With some gun game, BOTH THE HAV AND SL are just ducks that wonder in on the wrong season. You cannot compare it, all my SP after the reset went into Vehicles (As in, when all our SP got wiped.) and yet the majority of people I know who are Swarm Launchers have a proto suit with an AR. The only "Dedicated" SL player I've seen is Taz-666, and the guy is loaded (I'm talking around a Billion ISK here.) so not only has he got more ISK than any Tanker, last I checked he was skilling into other things too. I haven't even finished maxing out my Vehicles yet, is ridiculous. King of the Forums // Seraphim <3 Comment and like this thread about PvE, Here! Also, check out the Indirect Fire ability, Here! gbghg wrote:** CCP Rejavik CCP Shanghia Same company different studios, one has near perfected the player feedback process, the other is still rolling on the floor after it fell over its first baby step.
Surt gods end Demon Ronin 842	Posted - 2013.08.23 14:57:00 - [13] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: OP a crutch user 2mil for lolprotoswarms - covers the battlefield and denys all vehicles lol he wants me to get out of my tank and kill him instead of using a tank, then riddle me this what use is the tank if i have to get out and kill you instead of using what a specailized in aka a ******* tank CoD is still around, go and play with the dog its about your skill level Read my posts on this thread taka. My 13mil didn't go to swarms. I'm one of the last ninja cowboy on here. but after killing SL users I decided to be one.
Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster 765	Posted - 2013.08.23 15:00:00 - [14] - Quote Jason Pearson wrote: When CCP decides Vehicles don't need SP, I'll fight on the ground, want to know why I severely need my tank to survive? All my SP is in Vehicles, I cannot compete on the ground. So long story short, get ****, I'm not fighting people with 10-20million SP more than me. King of the Forums // Seraphim <3 Comment and like this thread about PvE, Here! Also, check out the Indirect Fire ability, Here! gbghg wrote:** CCP Rejavik CCP Shanghia Same company different studios, one has near perfected the player feedback process, the other is still rolling on the floor after it fell over its first baby step. Most HAV drivers specced out of them when the respec came. Just wasn't worth it for them.
Poplo Furuya Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 701	Posted - 2013.08.23 15:01:00 - [15] - Quote High-SP infantry have crazy amounts of health compared to those without investment. 650-900hp versus around 350-500hp. They'll have Proficiency damage boosts to boot. Faster regen, lower downtime... their advantage is massive against someone that's mostly in vehicles. But if you want lower-SP solutions to fight them on foot then I'd go Proficiency II in Scrambler Pistols with Handheld Weaponry V. Can be a great equaliser at around 1.5 mil SP, dual ScPs with at least one Complex Damage gives you the short range firepower to directly compete with full-protos so long as they don't get the drop on you. Cheap and incredibly powerful glass cannon.
Surt gods end Demon Ronin 842	Posted - 2013.08.23 15:02:00 - [16] - Quote come on dude.. they can't carry a AR and SL at same time. Best they got going for them is to spec into some strong side arm. same with tankers. Proto Ar users can't touch you inside tank. NOTE that I'm not speaking for the AV nades bunch. That I find as Over kill. How you gonna get that Av guy if all you got is smg and he has ar? I agree av nades are abit unfair.
Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster 765	Posted - 2013.08.23 15:05:00 - [17] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: OP a crutch user 2mil for lolprotoswarms - covers the battlefield and denys all vehicles lol he wants me to get out of my tank and kill him instead of using a tank, then riddle me this what use is the tank if i have to get out and kill you instead of using what a specailized in aka a ******* tank CoD is still around, go and play with the dog its about your skill level You do know we only use swarms Cause vehicles are killing us on the field...right? I only whip a weapon that cost me a few million SP to use...if I'm getting killed by a tank, LLAV or a dropship is killing me. It is useless outside of all situations other then locking to a vehicle...it can't be used on anything else...it takes up a light weapon slot and leaves us only with a sidearm. If one ground soldier spots us out, we have a major problem defending ourselves.
Poplo Furuya Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 701	Posted - 2013.08.23 15:06:00 - [18] - Quote Surt gods end wrote: Jason Pearson wrote: When CCP decides Vehicles don't need SP, I'll fight on the ground, want to know why I severely need my tank to survive? All my SP is in Vehicles, I cannot compete on the ground. So long story short, get ****, I'm not fighting people with 10-20million SP more than me. King of the Forums // Seraphim <3 Comment and like this thread about PvE, Here! Also, check out the Indirect Fire ability, Here! gbghg wrote:** CCP Rejavik CCP Shanghia Same company different studios, one has near perfected the player feedback process, the other is still rolling on the floor after it fell over its first baby step. I'm gonna quote this jason. how about the guy that pops all his SP in AV. But doesn't have enough for a decent smg? You don't How see how HAV AND SL users share the same similarities? With some gun game, BOTH THE HAV AND SL are just ducks that wonder in on the wrong season. Mate, mate. I went all-in on AV initially. It was 300k SP to get my Scrambler Pistol to a decent level, 800k SP to make it great. My core infantry skills also help me whenever I'm doing anything that's not AV... nor can I be comprehensively locked out of playing any infantry role in a given match. Our situation is far better than theirs.
Eurydice Itzhak Militaires Sans Jeux 191	Posted - 2013.08.23 15:12:00 - [19] - Quote Surt gods end wrote: What? you didn't read title? Simple. Driving a HAV is no excuse to suck when your boots on are the ground. To many times it's the same turtle with out a shell scenario. But thing is.. IT'S ONLY WITH THIS GAME! lol Other dedicated pilots and drivers from other FPS games know their way around a gun. Losing a HAV or putting their boots on the ground doesn't equate to instant death for them. Too many times I've seen and killed the poor sob that lost his tank and with tears in his eyes, charges at me to only die quickly. If your a HAV driver, but have kept up your gun game, than this post is not for you. But those that SEVERELY RELY ON THEIR TANK TO STAY ALIVE, I can see why some QQ constantly. I was a OHK before I took up the swarms. I did it cause I was bored. But on the field I know my around a gun. (sad if I didn't since FPS make up 80% of my diet since I was a teen) Swarms aren't a crutch for me, cause before I'm hunting HAVs and DS, I'm hunting the snipers and forge gunners that protect them with my Ish smg. Crutches aren't good. cause on the battlefield, it's the solder that holding crutches that would get shot first. Balance out, SL and HAV players. I have medium tier gun game because mouse and keyboard doesn't work and controllers don't work for fps. But outside of my tank i have full militia gear. Of course I'm going to be an easy kill.
Lorhak Gannarsein DUST University Ivy League 200	Posted - 2013.08.23 15:13:00 - [20] - Quote OP is just as much as a crutch user. So if we need to fight you with our crappy STD or MLT gear, why don't you hop into a tank to fight us? Oh wait. Crutch?

Surt gods end Demon Ronin 842	Posted - 2013.08.23 15:14:00 - [21] - Quote Poplo Furuya wrote: Surt gods end wrote: Jason Pearson wrote: When CCP decides Vehicles don't need SP, I'll fight on the ground, want to know why I severely need my tank to survive? All my SP is in Vehicles, I cannot compete on the ground. So long story short, get ****, I'm not fighting people with 10-20million SP more than me. King of the Forums // Seraphim <3 Comment and like this thread about PvE, Here! Also, check out the Indirect Fire ability, Here! gbghg wrote:** CCP Rejavik CCP Shanghia Same company different studios, one has near perfected the player feedback process, the other is still rolling on the floor after it fell over its first baby step. I'm gonna quote this jason. how about the guy that pops all his SP in AV. But doesn't have enough for a decent smg? You don't How see how HAV AND SL users share the same similarities? With some gun game, BOTH THE HAV AND SL are just ducks that wonder in on the wrong season. Mate, mate. I went all-in on AV initially. It was 300k SP to get my Scrambler Pistol to a decent level, 800k SP to make it great. My core infantry skills also help me whenever I'm doing anything that's not AV... nor can I be comprehensively locked out of playing any infantry role in a given match. Our situation is far better than theirs. MY AV SUIT IS A SCOUT. My side arm are is ISH. My survivability depends on how many are near the hav, and how fast I can run to restock. But I survive more than half of 1vs1. AR or SHOTTY. Add 2 players there and I'm probably dead. But it's not about hav users going infantry, it's about them being able to survive to make it to the red line, call another hav. that takes some sort of gun skill. NO EXCUSE IN A FPS NOT TO HAVE IT.
Surt gods end Demon Ronin 842	Posted - 2013.08.23 15:17:00 - [22] - Quote This thread again is not about HAV drivers going in to the front lines. it's about you guys surviving to be able to call your next HAV. or long enough to make it to the red line. SOME GUN SKILL. NO EXCUSE IN A FPS NOT TO HAVE IT.
IamI3rian OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 335	Posted - 2013.08.23 15:18:00 - [23] - Quote Surt gods end wrote: Swarms aren't a crutch for me, cause before I'm hunting HAVs and DS, I'm hunting the snipers and forge gunners that protect them with my Ish smg. I want the SMG you're using. Seems is shoots to the tops of towers. --- Remember: IamI3rian told ya Wish I could play Skyrim again for the first time. -AflockOfHippies
Racro 01 Arifistan The Surrogates Of War 24	Posted - 2013.08.23 15:20:00 - [24] - Quote i have all the high end tank modules armour/shield all proto turrets exept for lrge missiles since i dont have the skill. gallente enforcer 4 and when iam not in my tank i run around witha proto gallente assult suit with either duvolle/credron breach AR's or an ishukone SR with m512 subby. you tell me i cant rely on my tanks even though thats the majority of where i have them.
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 998	Posted - 2013.08.23 15:21:00 - [25] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: OP a crutch user 2mil for lolprotoswarms - covers the battlefield and denys all vehicles lol he wants me to get out of my tank and kill him instead of using a tank, then riddle me this what use is the tank if i have to get out and kill you instead of using what a specailized in aka a ******* tank CoD is still around, go and play with the dog its about your skill level You do know we only use swarms Cause vehicles are killing us on the field...right? I only whip a weapon that cost me a few million SP to use...if I'm getting killed by a tank, LLAV or a dropship is killing me. It is useless outside of all situations other then locking to a vehicle...it can't be used on anything else...it takes up a light weapon slot and leaves us only with a sidearm. If one ground soldier spots us out, we have a major problem defending ourselves. If you want to kill infantry and vehicles either use a FG but that requires aim or lolavnades with the homing crutch Generally most swarms dont have a problem with infantry because they are 300m away on a tower or a hill far away from anything playing peak a boo
Surt gods end Demon Ronin 842	Posted - 2013.08.23 15:23:00 - [26] - Quote IamI3rian wrote: Surt gods end wrote: Swarms aren't a crutch for me, cause before I'm hunting HAVs and DS, I'm hunting the snipers and forge gunners that protect them with my Ish smg. I want the SMG you're using. Seems is shoots to the tops of towers. --- Remember: IamI3rian told ya Wish I could play Skyrim again for the first time. -AflockOfHippies LOL. Nah for those guys.. I have drop on top of them from a DS. and then I'm using my shotty. Mind you, that DS needs to have a good pilot.
Poplo Furuya Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 701	Posted - 2013.08.23 15:27:00 - [27] - Quote Surt gods end wrote: Poplo Furuya wrote: Surt gods end wrote: Jason Pearson wrote: When CCP decides Vehicles don't need SP, I'll fight on the ground, want to know why I severely need my tank to survive? All my SP is in Vehicles, I cannot compete on the ground. So long story short, get ****, I'm not fighting people with 10-20million SP more than me. King of the Forums // Seraphim <3 Comment and like this thread about PvE, Here! Also, check out the Indirect Fire ability, Here! gbghg wrote:** CCP Rejavik CCP Shanghia Same company different studios, one has near perfected the player feedback process, the other is still rolling on the floor after it fell over its first baby step. I'm gonna quote this jason. how about the guy that pops all his SP in AV. But doesn't have enough for a decent smg? You don't How see how HAV AND SL users share the same similarities? With some gun game, BOTH THE HAV AND SL are just ducks that wonder in on the wrong season. Mate, mate. I went all-in on AV initially. It was 300k SP to get my Scrambler Pistol to a decent level, 800k SP to make it great. My core infantry skills also help me whenever I'm doing anything that's not AV... nor can I be comprehensively locked out of playing any infantry role in a given match. Our situation is far better than theirs. MY AV SUIT IS A SCOUT. My side arm are is ISH. My survivability depends on how many are near the hav, and how fast I can run to restock. But I survive more than half of 1vs1. AR or SHOTTY. Add 2 players there and I'm probably dead. But it's not about hav users going infantry, it's about them being able to survive to make it to the red line, call another hav. that takes some sort of gun skill. NO EXCUSE IN A FPS NOT TO HAVE IT. That Level V in SMGs is always going to help you, in your primary (?) role as AV or in your secondary roles with other loadouts. For a vehicle user it would not help unless they're outside of their primary role... it's also SP that only comes into play if the entirety of their SP investment from their primary is not currently helping them. How that actually plays out is pretty major. You talk up gun game which, yes, is important. Know what else is important? Whether that guy has almost double your health and 25% more damage output. For a vehicle user this is an entirely credible scenario. I'd actually be somewhat in favour of unifying Infantry and Vehicle Shield/Armor Upgrades, Electronics, Engineering and so forth... make it so vehicle operators aren't left completely behind when they're not piloting.
Surt gods end Demon Ronin 842	Posted - 2013.08.23 15:30:00 - [28] - Quote Racro 01 Arifistan wrote: i have all the high end tank modules armour/shield all proto turrets exept for lrge missiles since i dont have the skill. gallente enforcer 4 and when iam not in my tank i run around witha proto gallente assult suit with either duvolle/credron breach AR's or an ishukone SR with m512 subby. you tell me i cant rely on my tanks even though thats the majority of where i have them. Thread not meant for you. Your the guy that when I pop your tank, I don't even bother trying to kill. lol It seems like Your able to do fine to call in your next tank. or make it to cover. But that's what I'm saying.. skill the kind I'm talking about you don't earn as a point system from this game. it's learned through practice in mcc before you drop. Or just in planning of "What are my options should I lose this tank? Have I got a good Side Arm? where do I take cover?"
Surt gods end Demon Ronin 842	Posted - 2013.08.23 15:32:00 - [29] - Quote @poplo All I did was tak on a proto SL on my already handsome primary scout suit. side arm was always ish or six sin.
Jason Pearson Seraphim Auxiliaries 2660	Posted - 2013.08.23 16:01:00 - [30] - Quote Surt gods end wrote: MY AV SUIT IS A SCOUT. My side arm are is ISH. My survivability depends on how many are near the hav, and how fast I can run to restock. But I survive more than half of 1vs1. AR or SHOTTY. Add 2 players there and I'm probably dead. But it's not about hav users going infantry, it's about them being able to survive to make it to the red line, call another hav. that takes some sort of gun skill. NO EXCUSE IN A FPS NOT TO HAVE IT. I run a standard light frame suit with a rep tool and sidearm in preparation for the Pilot Suit, because we know the Pilot suit is going to be a light frame and the possibility of it being useless outside of a Vehicle is very high. You are going to destroy me with your Ishukone SMG (I see people kill with it faster than a Heavy with a HMG). We don't complain about dying on foot, we never will, because our skills and ability to fight is inside a vehicle, I really don't know what this thread is in aid of, first you were complaining about Vehicles being a crutch, now you're complaining about us dying quickly on the ground.. wot? Vehicle Issues right now are they're too weak, once you've destroyed my HAV do you think I'm going to run to the red line to call another? No, I want you to kill me so I can AFK in the MCC for the rest of the match, My tanks cost 700k-1.4mil, fool. King of the Forums // Seraphim <3 Comment and like this thread about PvE, Here! Also, check out the Indirect Fire ability, Here! gbghg wrote: CCP Rejavik CCP Shanghia Same company different studios, one has near perfected the player feedback process, the other is still rolling on the floor after it fell over its first baby step.



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