DUST Search - Implications of Shared squad vision being OFF!! HELLS YEAH!!!

Tech Ohm Eaven wrote:

Beren Hurin wrote:

Tech Ohm Eaven wrote:

Knight Soiaire wrote:

Beren Hurin wrote:

-It also means that most vehicles unless scanned will be undetected.

-If dampeners become important, than the suits with the most lowslots and ehp to spare equipping them (gallente/amarr) will be the best suits for stealthiness.

Cal Logi, 4 Lows, lol.

Straight

Yeah but shields are going to need two low slots for regulators, one for reppers and that leaves one slot for dampeners.

I am looking at an assault minmatar suit and hmmmmm?
Shotgun nova knifes
Built in repper.
So one complex kin-cat and one complex dampener and very fast movement.

Or hmmmm heavy suit repper kin cat dampener and nova knifes?? hmmmmm

Lots of new options.

And shield tankers are already strapped for CPU. So throwing an extra 20-30 CPU requirement just for being able to sneak around wouldn't seem as good of a payoff as a kincat, stammod, or an armor repairer in that same slot.

Nothing beats being able to sneak around dropping remote explosive "gifts"

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Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. 701	Posted - 2013.08.23 12:23:00 - [1] - Quote It means that once 1.4 drops that folks that do not bother to pay attention to comms will die.?? It means that folks depending on the minimaps shared info will die.?? It means that folks running ninja fits just got a huge buff i.e. nonaknife users and ninja shotgun users.?? Perhaps now profile dampeners will have a use?? Perhaps precision modules/skills will now have a use?? Goes off to sharpen nova knifes.
Beren Hurin The Vanguardians 1177	Posted - 2013.08.23 12:28:00 - [2] - Quote -It also means that most vehicles unless scanned will be undetected. -If dampeners become important, than the suits with the most lowslots and ehp to spare equipping them (gallente/amarr) will be the best suits for stealthiness.
Knight Soiaire Better Hide R Die 1970	Posted - 2013.08.23 12:28:00 - [3] - Quote Beren Hurin wrote: -It also means that most vehicles unless scanned will be undetected. -If dampeners become important, than the suits with the most lowslots and ehp to spare equipping them (gallente/amarr) will be the best suits for stealthiness. Cal Logi, 4 Lows, lol.
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. 702	Posted - 2013.08.23 12:50:00 - [4] - Quote Knight Soiaire wrote: Beren Hurin wrote: -It also means that most vehicles unless scanned will be undetected. -If dampeners become important, than the suits with the most lowslots and ehp to spare equipping them (gallente/amarr) will be the best suits for stealthiness. Cal Logi, 4 Lows, lol. Yeah but shields are going to need two low slots for regulators, one for reppers and that leaves one slot for dampeners. I am looking at an assault minmatar suit and hmmmmm? Shotgun nova knifes Built in repper. So one complex kin-cat and one complex dampener and very fast movement. Or hmmmm heavy suit repper kin cat dampener and nova knifes?? hmmmmm Lots of new options.
Beren Hurin The Vanguardians 1179	Posted - 2013.08.23 13:01:00 - [5] - Quote Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: Knight Soiaire wrote: Beren Hurin wrote: -It also means that most vehicles unless scanned will be undetected. -If dampeners become important, than the suits with the most lowslots and ehp to spare equipping them (gallente/amarr) will be the best suits for stealthiness. Cal Logi, 4 Lows, lol. Yeah but shields are going to need two low slots for regulators, one for reppers and that leaves one slot for dampeners. I am looking at an assault minmatar suit and hmmmmm? Shotgun nova knifes Built in repper. So one complex kin-cat and one complex dampener and very fast movement. Or hmmmm heavy suit repper kin cat dampener and nova knifes?? hmmmmm Lots of new options. And shield tankers are already strapped for CPU. So throwing an extra 20-30 CPU requirement just for being able to sneak around wouldn't seem as good of a payoff as a kincat, stammod, or an armor repairer in that same slot.
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. 703	Posted - 2013.08.23 13:04:00 - [6] - Quote Beren Hurin wrote: Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: Knight Soiaire wrote: Beren Hurin wrote: -It also means that most vehicles unless scanned will be undetected. -If dampeners become important, than the suits with the most lowslots and ehp to spare equipping them (gallente/amarr) will be the best suits for stealthiness. Cal Logi, 4 Lows, lol. Yeah but shields are going to need two low slots for regulators, one for reppers and that leaves one slot for dampeners. I am looking at an assault minmatar suit and hmmmmm? Shotgun nova knifes Built in repper. So one complex kin-cat and one complex dampener and very fast movement. Or hmmmm heavy suit repper kin cat dampener and nova knifes?? hmmmmm Lots of new options. And shield tankers are already strapped for CPU. So throwing an extra 20-30 CPU requirement just for being able to sneak around wouldn't seem as good of a payoff as a kincat, stammod, or an armor repairer in that same slot. Nothing beats being able to sneak around dropping remote explosive "gifts"
GTA-V FTW Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 322	Posted - 2013.08.23 13:06:00 - [7] - Quote Sure wish they would have added giving active scanner users war points.
Forlorn Destrier Bullet Cluster 1451	Posted - 2013.08.23 13:09:00 - [8] - Quote GTA-V FTW wrote: Sure wish they would have added giving active scanner users war points. In the devblog yesterday they said that new actions will be added to the list of those that get WP's. I imagine scanners will be included in that.
Mirataf WARRIORS 1NC 56	Posted - 2013.08.23 13:20:00 - [9] - Quote Forlorn Destrier wrote: GTA-V FTW wrote: Sure wish they would have added giving active scanner users war points. In the devblog yesterday they said that new actions will be added to the list of those that get WP's. I imagine scanners will be included in that. How forlorn are you really, putting your faith in CCP that logic will dictate a/scanners get WP It's far too obvious that this should happen, which normally means It won't.
Sgt Kirk SyNergy Gaming EoN. 1249	Posted - 2013.08.23 13:23:00 - [10] - Quote Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: Knight Soiaire wrote: Beren Hurin wrote: -It also means that most vehicles unless scanned will be undetected. -If dampeners become important, than the suits with the most lowslots and ehp to spare equipping them (gallente/amarr) will be the best suits for stealthiness. Cal Logi, 4 Lows, lol. Yeah but shields are going to need two low slots for regulators, one for reppers and that leaves one slot for dampeners. I am looking at an assault minmatar suit and hmmmmm? Shotgun nova knifes Built in repper. So one complex kin-cat and one complex dampener and very fast movement. Or hmmmm heavy suit repper kin cat dampener and nova knifes?? hmmmmm Lots of new options. and Gallente and Amarr will need to use those low slots for their defense

GTA-V FTW Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 325	Posted - 2013.08.23 13:32:00 - [11] - Quote Forlorn Destrier wrote: GTA-V FTW wrote: Sure wish they would have added giving active scanner users war points. In the devblog yesterday they said that new actions will be added to the list of those that get WP's. I imagine scanners will be included in that. Hope your right.
BL4CKST4R WarRavens League of Infamy 1198	Posted - 2013.08.23 13:34:00 - [12] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: Knight Soiaire wrote: Beren Hurin wrote: -It also means that most vehicles unless scanned will be undetected. -If dampeners become important, than the suits with the most lowslots and ehp to spare equipping them (gallente/amarr) will be the best suits for stealthiness. Cal Logi, 4 Lows, lol. Yeah but shields are going to need two low slots for regulators, one for reppers and that leaves one slot for dampeners. I am looking at an assault minmatar suit and hmmmmm? Shotgun nova knifes Built in repper. So one complex kin-cat and one complex dampener and very fast movement. Or hmmmm heavy suit repper kin cat dampener and nova knifes?? hmmmmm Lots of new options. and Gallente and Amarr will need to use those low slots for their defense Yeah I really hate that squad vision is off because all of the dampeners and enhancers are in the low slots and thus I have to choose between a easily detectable crap tank, or a even worse tank so I can remain hidden.
Beren Hurin The Vanguardians 1187	Posted - 2013.08.23 13:44:00 - [13] - Quote Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: Beren Hurin wrote: Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: Knight Soiaire wrote: Beren Hurin wrote: -It also means that most vehicles unless scanned will be undetected. -If dampeners become important, than the suits with the most lowslots and ehp to spare equipping them (gallente/amarr) will be the best suits for stealthiness. Cal Logi, 4 Lows, lol. Yeah but shields are going to need two low slots for regulators, one for reppers and that leaves one slot for dampeners. I am looking at an assault minmatar suit and hmmmmm? Shotgun nova knifes Built in repper. So one complex kin-cat and one complex dampener and very fast movement. Or hmmmm heavy suit repper kin cat dampener and nova knifes?? hmmmmm Lots of new options. And shield tankers are already strapped for CPU. So throwing an extra 20-30 CPU requirement just for being able to sneak around wouldn't seem as good of a payoff as a kincat, stammod, or an armor repairer in that same slot. Nothing beats being able to sneak around dropping remote explosive "gifts" I was messing with this yesterday and am convinced that it is key to beating the zerg-swarm. It takes some practice, and is probably best on the faster suits than the amarr-logi which is what I have. I think they need to work on the way grenades and mines hit things when you are aiming down though. Often I'm above something trying to throw a grenade and it will just bounce off of mid-air like there was floor I didn't see.
Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster 760	Posted - 2013.08.23 13:47:00 - [14] - Quote I like being able to sneak around with my active scanner now. The other day I kept getting killed before I could sneak up on a heavy. I hate not getting info unless from my squad anymore...ohhhh well.
Beren Hurin The Vanguardians 1187	Posted - 2013.08.23 13:57:00 - [15] - Quote It just seems like suits with <3 slots wouldn't be wise to fit them, unless they already had some high base HP (amarr logi), or they had the speed already that sacrificing a slot for another kincat/stammod would be okay (scout). BTW for medium suits: MLT/STD dampeners or dampening V will hide you from STD scanners. ONLY PRO dampener AND dampening V will hide you from most ADV scanners. and hiding from PRO scanners is nearly impossible unless you use all 3 lowslots.
Aqil Aegivan The Southern Legion 183	Posted - 2013.08.23 14:06:00 - [16] - Quote Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: Yeah but shields are going to need two low slots for regulators, one for reppers and that leaves one slot for dampeners. Logi suits have built in complex rep at proto. Why would you have 2xrep for 90 armour?
THE TRAINSPOTTER ROMANIA Renegades C0VEN 197	Posted - 2013.08.23 14:07:00 - [17] - Quote whats this shared squad vision?
THE TRAINSPOTTER ROMANIA Renegades C0VEN 197	Posted - 2013.08.23 14:11:00 - [18] - Quote GTA-V FTW wrote: Sure wish they would have added giving active scanner users war points. altough i would like that and easy WP since i scan all the time it wont make any sense might aswell ask WP for repairing your own armor with armor repairer
Oso Peresoso RisingSuns 631	Posted - 2013.08.23 14:12:00 - [19] - Quote less reason for people to get in squads.
Aqil Aegivan The Southern Legion 183	Posted - 2013.08.23 14:26:00 - [20] - Quote Oso Peresoso wrote: less reason for people to get in squads. Active scanner results are still shared. People will probably want to squad with one person in an LLAV with a scanner equipped.

THE TRAINSPOTTER ROMANIA Renegades C0VEN 197	Posted - 2013.08.23 14:29:00 - [21] - Quote Aqil Aegivan wrote: Oso Peresoso wrote: less reason for people to get in squads. Active scanner results are still shared. People will probably want to squad with one person in an LLAV with a scanner equipped. so if you not in a squad you cant see scan results?
Aqil Aegivan The Southern Legion 183	Posted - 2013.08.23 14:32:00 - [22] - Quote THE TRAINSPOTTER wrote: Aqil Aegivan wrote: Oso Peresoso wrote: less reason for people to get in squads. Active scanner results are still shared. People will probably want to squad with one person in an LLAV with a scanner equipped. so if you not in a squad you cant see scan results? From the patch notes: * Shared passive scanner vision for squads disabled (results of active scanners are still shared with squads) I'm assuming that this applies to vehicle scanners. So yeah, obviously I haven't seen it for myself but judging by the notes I'd say that only squad mates share active scan results, not teammates.
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. 706	Posted - 2013.08.23 18:53:00 - [23] - Quote Oso Peresoso wrote: less reason for people to get in squads. No more being in a squad and haveing coms off or not even bothering to pay attention to what folks ARE SAYING. Now if you want to know about that ninja heavy you had better LISTEN when a squad member talks about it. In other words no more lazy squads...lol. You want a kill? Work for it. AC/DC work it baby song.
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. 707	Posted - 2013.08.23 19:07:00 - [24] - Quote Aqil Aegivan wrote: THE TRAINSPOTTER wrote: Aqil Aegivan wrote: Oso Peresoso wrote: less reason for people to get in squads. Active scanner results are still shared. People will probably want to squad with one person in an LLAV with a scanner equipped. so if you not in a squad you cant see scan results? From the patch notes: * Shared passive scanner vision for squads disabled (results of active scanners are still shared with squads) I'm assuming that this applies to vehicle scanners. So yeah, obviously I haven't seen it for myself but judging by the notes I'd say that only squad mates share active scan results, not teammates. Why assume that this involves vehicles? I.e. in 1.3 and before profile dampening and precision skills were borderline useless since all it took was a single redberry using LOS and that was it you were on everybodys enemy tacnet minimap. Now with passive detection no longer being shared you either need to use squad comms to say hey!! enemy ninja HMG heavy on your six or use an active inantry scanner. I like the new changes since it validates skill investments in profile dampening and precision. But then lets see if what we are told in patch notes is really whats going on.
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. 707	Posted - 2013.08.23 19:14:00 - [25] - Quote Aqil Aegivan wrote: Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: Yeah but shields are going to need two low slots for regulators, one for reppers and that leaves one slot for dampeners. Logi suits have built in complex rep at proto. Why would you have 2xrep for 90 armour? I like active reppers plus triage nanohives??
Happy Violentime OMFGZOMBIESRUN 122	Posted - 2013.08.23 19:29:00 - [26] - Quote Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: Knight Soiaire wrote: Beren Hurin wrote: -It also means that most vehicles unless scanned will be undetected. -If dampeners become important, than the suits with the most lowslots and ehp to spare equipping them (gallente/amarr) will be the best suits for stealthiness. Cal Logi, 4 Lows, lol. Yeah but shields are going to need two low slots for regulators, one for reppers and that leaves one slot for dampeners. I am looking at an assault minmatar suit and hmmmmm? Shotgun nova knifes Built in repper. So one complex kin-cat and one complex dampener and very fast movement. Or hmmmm heavy suit repper kin cat dampener and nova knifes?? hmmmmm Lots of new options. Cal logi has inbuilt repper :)
Aqil Aegivan The Southern Legion 185	Posted - 2013.08.24 03:35:00 - [27] - Quote Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: Why assume that this involves vehicles? Well when they say active scanner I assume they meant all active scanners. A vehicle scanner you have to switch on should fall in the active scanner category. I would have thought the scanning mechanics would be general enough that changes to the way they work would apply to all scanning. But I'm not going to pretend this is anything other than assumption on my part so yeah, I'll be waiting to see if this is actually how it works as well.


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