I give you subject #1: Me with a squad (was not SL), we dominated.

http://i.imgur.com/UgAeWnh.jpg

And subject #2: Me and a team of randoms against a proto squad, we got our asses kicked.

http://i.imgur.com/gjIU0wO.jpg

Both cases were ambush matches.


This game desperately needs modes with no squads. The above is not an isolated event. It is a common and consistent occurrence. Squads with players who are decently experienced vs a bunch of randoms = absolute slaughter. And for some strange reason, this seems to happen a lot more often than it should. Sometimes even placing multiple decent 6-man squads against a full team of nobody's.

Add insult to injury are orbitals, especially when they can kill even if under major cover. What is the blast radius on those things, 200m? Seems like cover is futile for the most part.

I get what you're saying but I also don't agree. I think if you take the time to arrange a squad together you should be rewarded for playing a team based shooter... well as a team.

Its fun for no one, especially newbros, to run into a full squad of 6 who have carefully planned out their squad composition and are all running in Proto, but at the same time we can't punish those 6 who took the time to use some foresight and plan ahead. The EVE universe has always been one that rewards thinking, and punishes those who just go through the motions.

I imagine we should wait until the new player experience is implemented and see how it goes from there?

I give you subject #1: Me with a squad (was not SL), we dominated.

http://i.imgur.com/UgAeWnh.jpg

And subject #2: Me and a team of randoms against a proto squad, we got our asses kicked.

http://i.imgur.com/gjIU0wO.jpg

Both cases were ambush matches.


This game desperately needs modes with no squads. The above is not an isolated event. It is a common and consistent occurrence. Squads with players who are decently experienced vs a bunch of randoms = absolute slaughter. And for some strange reason, this seems to happen a lot more often than it should. Sometimes even placing multiple decent 6-man squads against a full team of nobody's.

Add insult to injury are orbitals, especially when they can kill even if under major cover. What is the blast radius on those things, 200m? Seems like cover is futile for the most part.

Having modes with no squads wouldn't punish those who like to roll as squads. It's pretty much win-win for both sides. Squads only go against other squads, and solo players only go against other solo players (although solo can join squad modes as a solo player if they desire).

It would only be a punishment if those squads liked steamrolling a team full of random unorganized players. In which case, they deserve to be punished for that. Let them play against other squads to test their talent and organization. It's about as HTFU as it gets.

Squads will no longer have easy-mode 95% of the time, they will actually have to fight for the win rather than have it handed to them.

I give you subject #1: Me with a squad (was not SL), we dominated.

http://i.imgur.com/UgAeWnh.jpg

And subject #2: Me and a team of randoms against a proto squad, we got our asses kicked.

http://i.imgur.com/gjIU0wO.jpg

Both cases were ambush matches.


This game desperately needs modes with no squads. The above is not an isolated event. It is a common and consistent occurrence. Squads with players who are decently experienced vs a bunch of randoms = absolute slaughter. And for some strange reason, this seems to happen a lot more often than it should. Sometimes even placing multiple decent 6-man squads against a full team of nobody's.

Add insult to injury are orbitals, especially when they can kill even if under major cover. What is the blast radius on those things, 200m? Seems like cover is futile for the most part.

I get what you're saying but I also don't agree. I think if you take the time to arrange a squad together you should be rewarded for playing a team based shooter... well as a team.

Its fun for no one, especially newbros, to run into a full squad of 6 who have carefully planned out their squad composition and are all running in Proto, but at the same time we can't punish those 6 who took the time to use some foresight and plan ahead.

this is a team game, if you are not in a squad you deserve to lose - play solo at your own risk
Also almost every game my squad is against another squad- so your stats are pretty random

They should be rewarded with the chance to pit their skills in a fun, even fight against a similarly prepared squad whereby their victory will feel like it was worth it. Not rewarded with the opportunity to redline some newbs and wait for the camp, sorry match, to end.

Complaining about teams? Great, you'll have CCP Nerfing mics next.

Cmdr Wang - Let's make it so their Mics freeze and their system crashes everytime they use comms!

CCP Nullarbor - But we already have that!

Wang - We do?

IWS - Oh Wang!

-Que Sitcom music-

I agree that there is a definite problem with the matchmaking system with regard to stacking multiple squads on one side against randoms. Maybe the warbarge mechanics could be reworked so that teams are only divided up after 32 players have been queued? That way there would be a better distribution taking into account the full squads already present. As it stands, it seems like players are added on a first come, first served basis, with the side with fewer players getting priority.

This game desperately needs modes with no squads. The above is not an isolated event. It is a common and consistent occurrence. Squads with players who are decently experienced vs a bunch of randoms = absolute slaughter. And for some strange reason, this seems to happen a lot more often than it should. Sometimes even placing multiple decent 6-man squads against a full team of nobody's.

Add insult to injury are orbitals, especially when they can kill even if under major cover. What is the blast radius on those things, 200m? Seems like cover is futile for the most part.

Frankly, I think the things you describe are spot-on perfect. Orbitals as well, I've often seen them turn the tide or seal the deal, and that's a good thing.

Lol to orbitals.

I rarely see them turn the tide, but they certainly seal the deal. Usually used to mop up the remaining team after their clone count is at the critical level.