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Posted - 2013.08.22 03:10:00 -
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In regards to this thread.
We will call this concept a 'Mortal Vehicle' or MV for short.
For a visual reference, Fire of Prometheus gave us one. (It's the Minmatar HAV)
The MV is an HAV, a slow moving heavily armored vehicle with a mortar on it. It is slower than a tank, and should probably be one of the slowest vehicles implemented in the game (if implemented). The slow speed is due to the weight of the armor of course, and as well as the heavy mortar and mortar rounds. The MV's health would be around 20% lower than a tank's. Direct damage from a mortar round should probably be around 1000-1600hp. Splash damage should be 600-1000hp. The Motor Vehicle shoots rounds that have a blast radius of about 12-16 meters. It can carry up to 6 mortar rounds at a time, but can shoot one every 5-10 seconds. It is highly preferred to having a tank or firing squad to protect the mortar, as it has no way of defending itself.
The mortar can fire from one end of the map to the next, and these mortars fire high in the air, causing a bit of a delay for them to reach their destination. Effectively using a mortar can be a challenge, and should be handled by highly skilled people. Once a mortar round has impacted, an impact signal will be found on the radar or the map, where you can view the last time where your mortar has hit. This can help you with your aiming, so you may adjust yourself. This impact icon/signal will only be seen by the mortar operator.
Mortars can be definitely useful in DUST. You can use it's power to fire at objectives, clearing them. You can fire at groups of infantry you can't normally take out yourself. You can fire upon vehicles, or snipers that you can't reach. A mortar's uses are boundless. |
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Posted - 2013.08.22 04:52:00 -
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Mossellia Delt wrote:A simpler way of doing this is to allow current HAVs to have a new large turret called an Artillery piece. Yes, but the whole thing may be OP because tanks can have multiple turrets. |
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Posted - 2013.08.22 15:49:00 -
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Alena Ventrallis wrote:How real mortars work:
First, a Call For Fire order is submitted by a unit, usually a squad (which is usually 13, not 4-6) at which point a mortar section sets up. Usually anywhere between 3-5 guns make up a section, depending on how well equipped the unit is. Once they have set up, usually a minute, they get comm with the unit calling in the strike (Unit ABC) Usually the format is "This is Unit ABC, we are at grid coordinates (whatever) enemy about (whatever distance) to my (whatever direction, given in degrees or mils) Example. "This is Unit ABC, I am at grid coordinates 1234 5678, I have enemy contact 500 meters to my west, 270 degrees." Based on this information, using maps and a compass, the Forward Observer (FO) does some math magic, and gives a firing solution to the guns, which then dial the solution into the mortar guns, and then the strike is sent off. This takes about 5 min from start to finish, assuming something doesn't go wrong (it usually does)
To this end, I would suggest making the vehicle mentioned be unable to fire without a firing solution. Have it load multiple rounds, or have multiple tubes, and require someone else to have a piece of equipment that lases a target. Once a target area is lazed, The mortar(s) fire at the target. To balance this out, have a long time-to-target, say around 20 seconds or so (Modern mortars are anywhere from 15-30 seconds, depending on how many charges are on the round when its dropped in the tube) and have the vehicle need a recalibration and loading delay, perhaps requiring the vehicle user to get out and manually load the tube or tubes, but in some way require that he cannot immediately fire another salvo. Maybe a 1-2 minute delay. HAve the mortars deal 600 splash damage, no direct damage, in a 20m radius (modern mortars have a kill radius of 35m, so this is lower than normal) Give it a max range of 1.5km. (modern 60mm mortars can reach out beyond 3km, almost to 4km)
This would make a great asset to coordinate teams, with squads getting support beyond an OB, and the enemy can use an OB/Railtank/Whatever to destroy this asset. I would add these in after the maps have opened up and we have larger fights, 32v32 and such.
Posting this from the other mortar vehicle thread, for exposure. Highly agree. +1 |
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Posted - 2013.08.22 17:03:00 -
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Crimson Judgment wrote:i hate to be that guy that says this is what its like in this other game but here goes
in battlefield 3 you can in no way setup a mortar while in your own redline this is to prevent tham bombarding the enemy from a completely safe location if mortars of any kind are implemented i suggest CCP do the same or we will have something even worse then redline sniping/rail tanking because mortars can kill you whilst hiding in cover
so no mortars in your redline is a much needed feature if they where to implement this i would suggest that these MV's need to setup before firing rendering them immobile and after firing they must remain immobile until they have reloaded to prevent hit and runs rinse and repeat lol
but overall i like the idea +1
True. I wish CCP just made the redzone a no fight zone.
And I like the idea of having them immobile before firing. |
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Posted - 2013.08.22 17:08:00 -
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Terry Webber wrote:Synbot wrote:Mossellia Delt wrote:A simpler way of doing this is to allow current HAVs to have a new large turret called an Artillery piece. Yes, but the whole thing may be OP because tanks can have multiple turrets. I see your reasoning. Maybe as a balancing factor, the large mortar turret would require a lot of CPU and PG which would not leave any room for secondary weapons.
Possibly, but having higher CPU and PG would not only not allow secondary weapons, but it could take away modules that would be very helpful in buffing such a defenseless thing. If it is a turret, and it does have a high CPU and PG, maybe there still can be a Mortar Vehicle, except the MV provides a greater system in handling this turret, thus giving a bonus by greatly reducing the CPU and PG of it when equipped. |
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