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Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.08.20 20:12:00 -
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Necandi Brasil wrote:don't bring a knife to a gunfight ... lessons learned from EVE online... Or ... get close 
Don't tell me to bring a knife to a gun fight. |
Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.08.20 20:42:00 -
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Ok guys, since we are on the topic of the nova knives here, I think it's time for me to let you all in a little secret that can help you all in your nova knifing career as it did for me.
My recent record.
https://plus.google.com/109956220065876189966/posts/KLQpqv8qRWj
As you can see from the chart in one of the images, I was able to kill 10 reds in a very short amount of time. Before I go on I must make it absolutely clear that these kills were mostly from the result of my experience as a ninja knifer who has not invested a single SP into any gun whatsoever. I used the following fit.
[Dramiel]
Scout MK.0
x1 Ishukone Nova Knives
x1 BPO Militia SMG
x1 R-9 Drop Uplink
x1 Flux Grenades
x2 Enhanced Kinetic Catalyzers
x3 Enhanced Shield Extenders
Notice two things here. The shield extenders and the SMG. Why do I have shield extenders and not a single damage mod? And why do I even have an SMG in the fitting if I don't even use it not even as backup? Well, here is the secret.
There is a way to sprint with charged knives.
How is it done? Here it is:
Remember back in Chromosome there was a melee-sprint bug that enabled you to sprint with the charge held for the knives? For those of you who weren't around back then you had to first melee. As the melee animation is processing, you immediately press and hold the charge button before the melee is complete. As a result, you are able to sprint with the charge held until you let go despite climbing latters and falling with the inertia dampener. Of course there were downsides to this bug. You had to melee which took up precious stamina that you need to sprint out and it was cumbersome to do. The charge could also be interrupted when you hack something or switch weapons.
Then Uprising came and that got fixed. To be honest, the nova knives in Chromosome were not really powerful at the time they were still laughable at best in terms of damage dealt.
What about in Uprising? It's still possible to do. But if you remember the melee-sprint bug, that's almost exactly how it can be reproduced now. Except you can only do it while swapping weapons instead of meleeing.
This was actually brought to my attention by a fellow ninja knifer some time ago. At first we thought this would make the knives overpowered and thus kept it a secret for some time. But now, after a long time of using this bug, I noticed something. This really didn't make the nova knives OP at all. It made it more viable and practical but not OP. If you see the chart in the images I linked, you'll see that I still died a considerable amount of times. There was also a downside to this bug. It requires that you fit an extra weapon which eats up the CPU and PG of the scout suit and we all know how limited the CPU and PG in these suits really are.
Another thing to remember that I have been running around with knives for a very long time and never bothered to use or invest skill points in any other weapon with the exception of the swarm launcher to deal with LAVs. That means that my experience has been fine-tuned long before I was notified of this bug which is why I was able to get an 11-kill streak in one match. I knew the layout of the maps, I knew how to deal with each type of enemy suit, and I knew how to utilize the obstructions to my advantage.
Important Note
I have notified CCP about this bug and so far they say they will look into it. I did ask them if they intend to let the bug stay, but they told they are not sure.
My View
Originally, I once believed that sprinting with the charge will make the knives OP given the insane amount of damage these knives can do. A skilled player fitted with all the damage mods needed can almost one-hit-kill every heavy in the field with the exception of the proto-heavies.
However, this new bug has taught me differently. It will not make them OP. You still die considerably and only the best knifers in the game can make the most out of it. And seeing as there are not that many ninjas out there and considering the scout suits seem underpowered, I think it's high time that we are given a chance to shine once more.
Have fun guys. |
Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.08.20 20:51:00 -
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Bump so everyone can see this. |
Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.08.21 01:15:00 -
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Vallud Eadesso wrote:I have only once been killed by a knifer who jumped me while I was trying to clear out a point. They got me in the back and all I did was make a "HAH!" IRL and get a funny look from my roomie.
And I always thought that is how the Nova Knives should be used, I laughed because of the absurdity of being KNIFED of all things but then I noticed it was the ONLY time i've been killed by em. Since they were introduced i've been killed only once by a weapon?
... I've been killed by generic melee more... To me that's a problem. Now don't get me wrong, I don't want Knifers being able to sprint DIRECTLY toward me soaking up fire and then knifing me, we need to award intelligent play of course, but I seriously thing the knife needs addressing.
All you need to do to kill 98% of em is walk backwards and hold R1.
Which is why I posted the information about the new bug. I see too many knifers out there giving up because they just can't sprint with the charge. And most problems with killing our targets is the fact that can't catch up to a moving target while holding a charge without the bug being used. Judging from the posts, I think it's time to be able to sprint with the charge. |
Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
3662
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Posted - 2013.08.21 02:15:00 -
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@Ozarow
I don't think there will be much in the way of nerf threads. From my experience, it doesn't warrant any qq of any kind. Using this glitch, in my opinion, merely complimented the knives but the player still has to put in the rest of the effort. Proper judgment and timing of when to strike is still critical. Another factor is teamwork.
By the way, I just went through five matches just now in which I was completely slaughtered by the enemy. The glitch hardly helped. I actually went negative in my kdr a few times.
If someone does post a nerf thread about the knives because of the glitch, then they are just stupid because they don't know the level of experience needed in handling them. They are practically the most difficult weapon to use in this entire game. |
Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.08.21 03:07:00 -
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If a change is ever needed, then I can accept one of three changes.
Either give ninja knifers the ability to sprint with the charge, move the lunge feature away from the melee punches towards the knives, or give scouts faster movement speed so that assaults won't just have to back pedal to dodge. |
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