DUST Search - The NOVA KNIFE.....

Maken Tosch wrote:

Ok guys, since we are on the topic of the nova knives here, I think it's time for me to let you all in a little secret that can help you all in your nova knifing career as it did for me.

My recent record.
https://plus.google.com/109956220065876189966/posts/KLQpqv8qRWj

As you can see from the chart in one of the images, I was able to kill 10 reds in a very short amount of time. Before I go on I must make it absolutely clear that these kills were mostly from the result of my experience as a ninja knifer who has not invested a single SP into any gun whatsoever. I used the following fit.

[Dramiel]
Scout MK.0
x1 Ishukone Nova Knives
x1 BPO Militia SMG
x1 R-9 Drop Uplink
x1 Flux Grenades
x2 Enhanced Kinetic Catalyzers
x3 Enhanced Shield Extenders

Notice two things here. The shield extenders and the SMG. Why do I have shield extenders and not a single damage mod? And why do I even have an SMG in the fitting if I don't even use it not even as backup? Well, here is the secret.

There is a way to sprint with charged knives.

How is it done? Here it is:

Remember back in Chromosome there was a melee-sprint bug that enabled you to sprint with the charge held for the knives? For those of you who weren't around back then you had to first melee. As the melee animation is processing, you immediately press and hold the charge button before the melee is complete. As a result, you are able to sprint with the charge held until you let go despite climbing latters and falling with the inertia dampener. Of course there were downsides to this bug. You had to melee which took up precious stamina that you need to sprint out and it was cumbersome to do. The charge could also be interrupted when you hack something or switch weapons.

Then Uprising came and that got fixed. To be honest, the nova knives in Chromosome were not really powerful at the time they were still laughable at best in terms of damage dealt.

What about in Uprising? It's still possible to do. But if you remember the melee-sprint bug, that's almost exactly how it can be reproduced now. Except you can only do it while swapping weapons instead of meleeing.

This was actually brought to my attention by a fellow ninja knifer some time ago. At first we thought this would make the knives overpowered and thus kept it a secret for some time. But now, after a long time of using this bug, I noticed something. This really didn't make the nova knives OP at all. It made it more viable and practical but not OP. If you see the chart in the images I linked, you'll see that I still died a considerable amount of times. There was also a downside to this bug. It requires that you fit an extra weapon which eats up the CPU and PG of the scout suit and we all know how limited the CPU and PG in these suits really are.

Another thing to remember that I have been running around with knives for a very long time and never bothered to use or invest skill points in any other weapon with the exception of the swarm launcher to deal with LAVs. That means that my experience has been fine-tuned long before I was notified of this bug which is why I was able to get an 11-kill streak in one match. I knew the layout of the maps, I knew how to deal with each type of enemy suit, and I knew how to utilize the obstructions to my advantage.

Important Note

I have notified CCP about this bug and so far they say they will look into it. I did ask them if they intend to let the bug stay, but they told they are not sure.

My View

Originally, I once believed that sprinting with the charge will make the knives OP given the insane amount of damage these knives can do. A skilled player fitted with all the damage mods needed can almost one-hit-kill every heavy in the field with the exception of the proto-heavies.

However, this new bug has taught me differently. It will not make them OP. You still die considerably and only the best knifers in the game can make the most out of it. And seeing as there are not that many ninjas out there and considering the scout suits seem underpowered, I think it's high time that we are given a chance to shine once more.

Have fun guys.

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Anmol Singh The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 232	Posted - 2013.08.20 20:02:00 - [1] - Quote Let up sprint with it or remove the charge ability and let it do full damage without charge because it takes hella lot skill to get close to an enemy... I say you let us sprint with it because it so difficult to catch up to the give that ur running after while he sprints and you walk...
Knight Soiaire Better Hide R Die 1905	Posted - 2013.08.20 20:03:00 - [2] - Quote Keep the charge ability, but let us sprint charge. Its so easy to avoid a Knifer, you just backpedal and shoot.
Cosgar ParagonX 4436	Posted - 2013.08.20 20:04:00 - [3] - Quote I think they didn't implement the sprint/charge mechanic because scouts used to be stupidly fast. I'd say either give them their speed back, implement the sprint charge, or give knives a lunge.
Necandi Brasil Conspiratus Immortalis Covert Intervention 286	Posted - 2013.08.20 20:04:00 - [4] - Quote don't bring a knife to a gunfight ... lessons learned from EVE online... Or ... get close
Anmol Singh The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 232	Posted - 2013.08.20 20:05:00 - [5] - Quote Knight Soiaire wrote: Keep the charge ability, but let us sprint charge. Its so easy to avoid a Knifer, you just backpedal and shoot. ik...
Necandi Brasil Conspiratus Immortalis Covert Intervention 286	Posted - 2013.08.20 20:10:00 - [6] - Quote Btw ... Nova Knife is an Impure weapon... My future SOONtm amarrian knife is so much better....
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 3646	Posted - 2013.08.20 20:12:00 - [7] - Quote Necandi Brasil wrote: don't bring a knife to a gunfight ... lessons learned from EVE online... Or ... get close Don't tell me to bring a knife to a gun fight.
FLAYLOCK Steve Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 404	Posted - 2013.08.20 20:22:00 - [8] - Quote I hate that people can back pedel faster than you can walk with the knife..
Necandi Brasil Conspiratus Immortalis Covert Intervention 286	Posted - 2013.08.20 20:23:00 - [9] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Don't tell me to bring a knife to a gun fight. I won't , lol
Lightning Bolt2 DUST University Ivy League 110	Posted - 2013.08.20 20:34:00 - [10] - Quote Necandi Brasil wrote: don't bring a knife to a gunfight ... lessons learned from EVE online... Or ... get close I do it all the time .

Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 3647	Posted - 2013.08.20 20:42:00 - [11] - Quote Ok guys, since we are on the topic of the nova knives here, I think it's time for me to let you all in a little secret that can help you all in your nova knifing career as it did for me. My recent record. https://plus.google.com/109956220065876189966/posts/KLQpqv8qRWj As you can see from the chart in one of the images, I was able to kill 10 reds in a very short amount of time. Before I go on I must make it absolutely clear that these kills were mostly from the result of my experience as a ninja knifer who has not invested a single SP into any gun whatsoever. I used the following fit. [Dramiel] Scout MK.0 x1 Ishukone Nova Knives x1 BPO Militia SMG x1 R-9 Drop Uplink x1 Flux Grenades x2 Enhanced Kinetic Catalyzers x3 Enhanced Shield Extenders Notice two things here. The shield extenders and the SMG. Why do I have shield extenders and not a single damage mod? And why do I even have an SMG in the fitting if I don't even use it not even as backup? Well, here is the secret. There is a way to sprint with charged knives. How is it done? Here it is: Remember back in Chromosome there was a melee-sprint bug that enabled you to sprint with the charge held for the knives? For those of you who weren't around back then you had to first melee. As the melee animation is processing, you immediately press and hold the charge button before the melee is complete. As a result, you are able to sprint with the charge held until you let go despite climbing latters and falling with the inertia dampener. Of course there were downsides to this bug. You had to melee which took up precious stamina that you need to sprint out and it was cumbersome to do. The charge could also be interrupted when you hack something or switch weapons. Then Uprising came and that got fixed. To be honest, the nova knives in Chromosome were not really powerful at the time they were still laughable at best in terms of damage dealt. What about in Uprising? It's still possible to do. But if you remember the melee-sprint bug, that's almost exactly how it can be reproduced now. Except you can only do it while swapping weapons instead of meleeing. This was actually brought to my attention by a fellow ninja knifer some time ago. At first we thought this would make the knives overpowered and thus kept it a secret for some time. But now, after a long time of using this bug, I noticed something. This really didn't make the nova knives OP at all. It made it more viable and practical but not OP. If you see the chart in the images I linked, you'll see that I still died a considerable amount of times. There was also a downside to this bug. It requires that you fit an extra weapon which eats up the CPU and PG of the scout suit and we all know how limited the CPU and PG in these suits really are. Another thing to remember that I have been running around with knives for a very long time and never bothered to use or invest skill points in any other weapon with the exception of the swarm launcher to deal with LAVs. That means that my experience has been fine-tuned long before I was notified of this bug which is why I was able to get an 11-kill streak in one match. I knew the layout of the maps, I knew how to deal with each type of enemy suit, and I knew how to utilize the obstructions to my advantage. Important Note I have notified CCP about this bug and so far they say they will look into it. I did ask them if they intend to let the bug stay, but they told they are not sure. My View Originally, I once believed that sprinting with the charge will make the knives OP given the insane amount of damage these knives can do. A skilled player fitted with all the damage mods needed can almost one-hit-kill every heavy in the field with the exception of the proto-heavies. However, this new bug has taught me differently. It will not make them OP. You still die considerably and only the best knifers in the game can make the most out of it. And seeing as there are not that many ninjas out there and considering the scout suits seem underpowered, I think it's high time that we are given a chance to shine once more. Have fun guys.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 3649	Posted - 2013.08.20 20:51:00 - [12] - Quote Bump so everyone can see this.
Smooth Assassin Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 43	Posted - 2013.08.20 21:11:00 - [13] - Quote Knight Soiaire wrote: Keep the charge ability, but let us sprint charge. Its so easy to avoid a Knifer, you just backpedal and shoot. 1 Shot of core flaylock kills em
pierce Hawkeye BurgezzE.T.F 94	Posted - 2013.08.20 21:28:00 - [14] - Quote Anmol Singh wrote: Let up sprint with it or remove the charge ability and let it do full damage without charge because it takes hella lot skill to get close to an enemy... I say you let us sprint with it because it so difficult to catch up to the give that ur running after while he sprints and you walk... I totally agree with the sprint and charger i don't really use nova knifes but feel bad for those who do because its a little pittifle to watch them "walk doge" my nade rounds.
BARDAS DUST University Ivy League 323	Posted - 2013.08.20 21:31:00 - [15] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Ok guys, since we are on the topic of the nova knives here.... *removed to save space* Have fun guys. Logged on at work just to +1 you for this post.
Knight Soiaire Better Hide R Die 1915	Posted - 2013.08.21 00:07:00 - [16] - Quote I've been trying to do that Knife glitch. What is it? Swap weapon, charge, sprint. Its not working for me.
Fire of Prometheus DUST University Ivy League 147	Posted - 2013.08.21 00:12:00 - [17] - Quote I love it when a knifer jumps out at me and tries to kill me but I just back pedal and mow them down with my AR. Just a tip, make sure the guy you are trying to kill has his back to you.
mr musturd 0uter.Heaven 52	Posted - 2013.08.21 00:32:00 - [18] - Quote Wow. Maken tosch really wish you didn't tell everyone.. I kept it hidden for so long meh oh well.
dullrust Subsonic Synthesis Alpha Wolf Pack 13	Posted - 2013.08.21 00:36:00 - [19] - Quote Yes it would be nice to charge or at least hold a charge while running. It's hard enough getting close much less close enough you can walk the distance to them before they turn and fire. Another thing would be a bit more reach. I can pistol whip you at just over a meter but I can't stab you?
Knight Soiaire Better Hide R Die 1919	Posted - 2013.08.21 00:41:00 - [20] - Quote mr musturd wrote: Wow. Maken tosch really wish you didn't tell everyone.. I kept it hidden for so long meh oh well. Am I doing it right? Swap to Knives, charge, sprint. Its not working.

mr musturd 0uter.Heaven 52	Posted - 2013.08.21 00:44:00 - [21] - Quote The timing is a bit tricky Knight takes a bit of practice to actually use it in the middle of a firefight
Vallud Eadesso Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 259	Posted - 2013.08.21 00:46:00 - [22] - Quote I have only once been killed by a knifer who jumped me while I was trying to clear out a point. They got me in the back and all I did was make a "HAH!" IRL and get a funny look from my roomie. And I always thought that is how the Nova Knives should be used, I laughed because of the absurdity of being KNIFED of all things but then I noticed it was the ONLY time i've been killed by em. Since they were introduced i've been killed only once by a weapon? ... I've been killed by generic melee more... To me that's a problem. Now don't get me wrong, I don't want Knifers being able to sprint DIRECTLY toward me soaking up fire and then knifing me, we need to award intelligent play of course, but I seriously thing the knife needs addressing. All you need to do to kill 98% of is walk backwards and hold R1.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 3656	Posted - 2013.08.21 01:15:00 - [23] - Quote Vallud Eadesso wrote: I have only once been killed by a knifer who jumped me while I was trying to clear out a point. They got me in the back and all I did was make a "HAH!" IRL and get a funny look from my roomie. And I always thought that is how the Nova Knives should be used, I laughed because of the absurdity of being KNIFED of all things but then I noticed it was the ONLY time i've been killed by em. Since they were introduced i've been killed only once by a weapon? ... I've been killed by generic melee more... To me that's a problem. Now don't get me wrong, I don't want Knifers being able to sprint DIRECTLY toward me soaking up fire and then knifing me, we need to award intelligent play of course, but I seriously thing the knife needs addressing. All you need to do to kill 98% of em is walk backwards and hold R1. Which is why I posted the information about the new bug. I see too many knifers out there giving up because they just can't sprint with the charge. And most problems with killing our targets is the fact that can't catch up to a moving target while holding a charge without the bug being used. Judging from the posts, I think it's time to be able to sprint with the charge.
OZAROW A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 406	Posted - 2013.08.21 01:42:00 - [24] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Ok guys, since we are on the topic of the nova knives here, I think it's time for me to let you all in a little secret that can help you all in your nova knifing career as it did for me. My recent record. https://plus.google.com/109956220065876189966/posts/KLQpqv8qRWj As you can see from the chart in one of the images, I was able to kill 10 reds in a very short amount of time. Before I go on I must make it absolutely clear that these kills were mostly from the result of my experience as a ninja knifer who has not invested a single SP into any gun whatsoever. I used the following fit. [Dramiel] Scout MK.0 x1 Ishukone Nova Knives x1 BPO Militia SMG x1 R-9 Drop Uplink x1 Flux Grenades x2 Enhanced Kinetic Catalyzers x3 Enhanced Shield Extenders Notice two things here. The shield extenders and the SMG. Why do I have shield extenders and not a single damage mod? And why do I even have an SMG in the fitting if I don't even use it not even as backup? Well, here is the secret. There is a way to sprint with charged knives. How is it done? Here it is: Remember back in Chromosome there was a melee-sprint bug that enabled you to sprint with the charge held for the knives? For those of you who weren't around back then you had to first melee. As the melee animation is processing, you immediately press and hold the charge button before the melee is complete. As a result, you are able to sprint with the charge held until you let go despite climbing latters and falling with the inertia dampener. Of course there were downsides to this bug. You had to melee which took up precious stamina that you need to sprint out and it was cumbersome to do. The charge could also be interrupted when you hack something or switch weapons. Then Uprising came and that got fixed. To be honest, the nova knives in Chromosome were not really powerful at the time they were still laughable at best in terms of damage dealt. What about in Uprising? It's still possible to do. But if you remember the melee-sprint bug, that's almost exactly how it can be reproduced now. Except you can only do it while swapping weapons instead of meleeing. This was actually brought to my attention by a fellow ninja knifer some time ago. At first we thought this would make the knives overpowered and thus kept it a secret for some time. But now, after a long time of using this bug, I noticed something. This really didn't make the nova knives OP at all. It made it more viable and practical but not OP. If you see the chart in the images I linked, you'll see that I still died a considerable amount of times. There was also a downside to this bug. It requires that you fit an extra weapon which eats up the CPU and PG of the scout suit and we all know how limited the CPU and PG in these suits really are. Another thing to remember that I have been running around with knives for a very long time and never bothered to use or invest skill points in any other weapon with the exception of the swarm launcher to deal with LAVs. That means that my experience has been fine-tuned long before I was notified of this bug which is why I was able to get an 11-kill streak in one match. I knew the layout of the maps, I knew how to deal with each type of enemy suit, and I knew how to utilize the obstructions to my advantage. Important Note I have notified CCP about this bug and so far they say they will look into it. I did ask them if they intend to let the bug stay, but they told they are not sure. My View Originally, I once believed that sprinting with the charge will make the knives OP given the insane amount of damage these knives can do. A skilled player fitted with all the damage mods needed can almost one-hit-kill every heavy in the field with the exception of the proto-heavies. However, this new bug has taught me differently. It will not make them OP. You still die considerably and only the best knifers in the game can make the most out of it. And seeing as there are not that many ninjas out there and considering the scout suits seem underpowered, I think it's high time that we are given a chance to shine once more. Have fun guys. Dude that was the dumbest thing you could have done! I knew the trick but hardly used it , you an another guy, now it's gonna go QQ AN NERF, damn bro it was a secret, not a get glory an share my knive instructor pat me on the back for knowing thing an blast it on the forums! You knew that!
OZAROW A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 406	Posted - 2013.08.21 01:48:00 - [25] - Quote mr musturd wrote: Wow. Maken tosch really wish you didn't tell everyone.. I kept it hidden for so long meh oh well. Told you I wouldn't say nothing bro, well now u kno it wasn't me.
Turtle Hermit Roshi Famous.OTF Only The Famous 8	Posted - 2013.08.21 01:51:00 - [26] - Quote Cosgar wrote: I think they didn't implement the sprint/charge mechanic because scouts used to be stupidly fast. I'd say either give them their speed back, implement the sprint charge, or give knives a lunge. definetly i love this idea a second of speed in the form of a strike have it like you chararge and then when you let go then it does the strike lovin it
SIRAJKNIGHT Dakusuri Assassins 184	Posted - 2013.08.21 01:59:00 - [27] - Quote The charge time decreases when you skill in the Nova knives so it can get down to .8 seconds That's actually pretty fast, you just sprint then charge. The proto knives can do one hit ko even if charged halfway
mollerz Minja Scouts 899	Posted - 2013.08.21 02:07:00 - [28] - Quote @mr.musturd! ha. I never told a soul either. I did eventually get it to work. I never used it on a kill tho. @Maken I am glad you came around. Since the bug is now public domain, as it were. Who cares? It shouldn't be a bug. It should be easily done as a feature with the knives. hell.. make it a skill branch! Along with other knife moves perhaps.. such as lunge perhaps? Throw (make knives into nano ammo)? backstab? Etc. At any rate, I am offline for now. I started playing payday 2 and w00t! That game is a fuking blast. It's only co-op but the gun mechanics were so tight, when I tried to play dust it was just unbearable. From lack of playing other games, I just got used to it. but dust is ******* horrible man. And GTA is right around the corner... and now the PS fuckin 4 is right around the corner.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 3662	Posted - 2013.08.21 02:15:00 - [29] - Quote @Ozarow I don't think there will be much in the way of nerf threads. From my experience, it doesn't warrant any qq of any kind. Using this glitch, in my opinion, merely complimented the knives but the player still has to put in the rest of the effort. Proper judgment and timing of when to strike is still critical. Another factor is teamwork. By the way, I just went through five matches just now in which I was completely slaughtered by the enemy. The glitch hardly helped. I actually went negative in my kdr a few times. If someone does post a nerf thread about the knives because of the glitch, then they are just stupid because they don't know the level of experience needed in handling them. They are practically the most difficult weapon to use in this entire game.
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR The Kaos Legion 10	Posted - 2013.08.21 02:49:00 - [30] - Quote DON'T DO ANYTHING TO THE KNIFE. seriously, then we'll get people saying ,"nerf knives" then we'll be left with toothpicks. they are fine, they just take skill. i always use nova knives on a proto assault suit. my average score is like 17-1. if you want help with learning, contact me. my assault suit runs faster than most scouts. i promise, i started out going 2-11 and wit practice, i got better, and you can too. just keep practicing. my suit has 500 health and can run about 9.7 m/s. add some remote exposives and you can truly have yourself a good time :)



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