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Dj grammer
Red Star. EoN.
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Posted - 2013.08.20 19:11:00 -
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Normally, I'm the quiet one and will speak on other forums when needed. My thoughts are as followed. The build up to this war started 3 weeks after Eon and LOI signed a treaty I think. The reason I said I think is because at that time I was not in a corporation. The one I was in (One-arm bandits) broke up over corruption of power (remember this line for later). I joined Red Star because my friend TorGuE77 was in that corp and we normally squad up with one another. But what I didn't know was EON was in war with LOI.
Following the events after the war people were saying how good EON was for beating LOI and etc, it was all over the forums. And for sometime people wanted to join EON for power and protection within PC. Within those 3 weeks I was spectating the forums to see if people would do what I was expecting. As people heard some individuals in EON decided to give land to indie corps (which needs a serious re-definition of what it takes to be a so called indie corp) to give them a chance. I kinda knew where this was going and I disliked it but to only see my speculations to be true hurts. To add even more to the pain my speculations were also confirmed when people wanted to revolt against EON to the point where war would break out. But I need to keep in mind that this is planetary conquest and expect the unexpected.
At this time I wanted to ask a fellow mercenary by the name of DJINN Kujo for advice. I sent him a message to only see he himself was in PC. I wanted to ask him questions since he was playing longer than me, that and he's a really cool person to talk to. But he would have said something like you need to find that answer on your own. I even wanted to (but didn't) ask Rina Rylos for her take but she would had said you're a mercenary first and last (I respect that).
When this war is said and done with, what happens when a big power defeats another big power. They get bigger. Problem being is when they obtain more power corruption can follow right after. Over time people in that big power would become power hungry to the point where they want to be in control. Eventually, that power will fall apart.
What I am saying is this, no matter who wins the war the outcome will forever be the same. By this I need to run a scenario to explain. Say IF EON lost, then people want to go to the winning side as human nature expects it to be. For sometime people will respect that and want their corporation to join said alliance. However some back-hand deals and scams to give indie corps land may appear along with people in that winning alliance wanting majority control. The people doing this is eventually caught by others and people will want justice done for their misdeeds. The people wanting power will leave and revolt against them. Thus causing a loop/cycle.
As of now the world of PC is in a Loop/cycle where winners will be praised for sometime being but then have the world turn against them. No I'm not sour about people attacking EON, I'm actually happy that this is happening. If anything, the DUST community proved to me that people will fight for what they stand for.
I will be the person to say if we win, we win. It's whatever to me. If we lose then I tip my hat off to the people that beat us. Again it's whatever to me. If you see me or I see you on the battlefield then lets have a good fight.
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Superhero Rawdon
Chaotic-Intent
78
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Posted - 2013.08.20 19:27:00 -
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Dj grammer wrote:Normally, I'm the quiet one and will speak on other forums when needed. My thoughts are as followed. The build up to this war started 3 weeks after Eon and LOI signed a treaty I think. The reason I said I think is because at that time I was not in a corporation. The one I was in (One-arm bandits) broke up over corruption of power (remember this line for later). I joined Red Star because my friend TorGuE77 was in that corp and we normally squad up with one another. But what I didn't know was EON was in war with LOI.
Following the events after the war people were saying how good EON was for beating LOI and etc, it was all over the forums. And for sometime people wanted to join EON for power and protection within PC. Within those 3 weeks I was spectating the forums to see if people would do what I was expecting. As people heard some individuals in EON decided to give land to indie corps (which needs a serious re-definition of what it takes to be a so called indie corp) to give them a chance. I kinda knew where this was going and I disliked it but to only see my speculations to be true hurts. To add even more to the pain my speculations were also confirmed when people wanted to revolt against EON to the point where war would break out. But I need to keep in mind that this is planetary conquest and expect the unexpected.
At this time I wanted to ask a fellow mercenary by the name of DJINN Kujo for advice. I sent him a message to only see he himself was in PC. I wanted to ask him questions since he was playing longer than me, that and he's a really cool person to talk to. But he would have said something like you need to find that answer on your own. I even wanted to (but didn't) ask Rina Rylos for her take but she would had said you're a mercenary first and last (I respect that).
When this war is said and done with, what happens when a big power defeats another big power. They get bigger. Problem being is when they obtain more power corruption can follow right after. Over time people in that big power would become power hungry to the point where they want to be in control. Eventually, that power will fall apart.
What I am saying is this, no matter who wins the war the outcome will forever be the same. By this I need to run a scenario to explain. Say IF EON lost, then people want to go to the winning side as human nature expects it to be. For sometime people will respect that and want their corporation to join said alliance. However some back-hand deals and scams to give indie corps land may appear along with people in that winning alliance wanting majority control. The people doing this is eventually caught by others and people will want justice done for their misdeeds. The people wanting power will leave and revolt against them. Thus causing a loop/cycle.
As of now the world of PC is in a Loop/cycle where winners will be praised for sometime being but then have the world turn against them. No I'm not sour about people attacking EON, I'm actually happy that this is happening. If anything, the DUST community proved to me that people will fight for what they stand for.
I will be the person to say if we win, we win. It's whatever to me. If we lose then I tip my hat off to the people that beat us. Again it's whatever to me. If you see me or I see you on the battlefield then lets have a good fight.
and that cycle is about all we have to look forward to keeping things fresh
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Roy Ventus
Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance
359
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Posted - 2013.08.20 19:29:00 -
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Dj grammer wrote:Normally, I'm the quiet one and will speak on other forums when needed. My thoughts are as followed. The build up to this war started 3 weeks after Eon and LOI signed a treaty I think. The reason I said I think is because at that time I was not in a corporation. The one I was in (One-arm bandits) broke up over corruption of power (remember this line for later). I joined Red Star because my friend TorGuE77 was in that corp and we normally squad up with one another. But what I didn't know was EON was in war with LOI.
Following the events after the war people were saying how good EON was for beating LOI and etc, it was all over the forums. And for sometime people wanted to join EON for power and protection within PC. Within those 3 weeks I was spectating the forums to see if people would do what I was expecting. As people heard some individuals in EON decided to give land to indie corps (which needs a serious re-definition of what it takes to be a so called indie corp) to give them a chance. I kinda knew where this was going and I disliked it but to only see my speculations to be true hurts. To add even more to the pain my speculations were also confirmed when people wanted to revolt against EON to the point where war would break out. But I need to keep in mind that this is planetary conquest and expect the unexpected.
At this time I wanted to ask a fellow mercenary by the name of DJINN Kujo for advice. I sent him a message to only see he himself was in PC. I wanted to ask him questions since he was playing longer than me, that and he's a really cool person to talk to. But he would have said something like you need to find that answer on your own. I even wanted to (but didn't) ask Rina Rylos for her take but she would had said you're a mercenary first and last (I respect that).
When this war is said and done with, what happens when a big power defeats another big power. They get bigger. Problem being is when they obtain more power corruption can follow right after. Over time people in that big power would become power hungry to the point where they want to be in control. Eventually, that power will fall apart.
What I am saying is this, no matter who wins the war the outcome will forever be the same. By this I need to run a scenario to explain. Say IF EON lost, then people want to go to the winning side as human nature expects it to be. For sometime people will respect that and want their corporation to join said alliance. However some back-hand deals and scams to give indie corps land may appear along with people in that winning alliance wanting majority control. The people doing this is eventually caught by others and people will want justice done for their misdeeds. The people wanting power will leave and revolt against them. Thus causing a loop/cycle.
As of now the world of PC is in a Loop/cycle where winners will be praised for sometime being but then have the world turn against them. No I'm not sour about people attacking EON, I'm actually happy that this is happening. If anything, the DUST community proved to me that people will fight for what they stand for.
I will be the person to say if we win, we win. It's whatever to me. If we lose then I tip my hat off to the people that beat us. Again it's whatever to me. If you see me or I see you on the battlefield then lets have a good fight.
10/10 would read again.
I'm aware of such a cycle happening again and it does concern me but I'm hoping that with such a diverse gallery of corporations in the war on the "rebel" side, everything will be split up(and I don't mean orderly but as in no one's declared the actual "winner" just that there side won). But that's what I'm hoping for. I'm planning to help small corporations and any other corporations that rise from the ashes of this affair and get them to become specialized or niche-focused corporations instead of just land-grabbing clans(Honestly that's what most corporations are). It's to my belief that diversifying the mercenary market when this is all said and done will at least offer a different outcome. |
ER-Bullitt
Molon Labe. League of Infamy
276
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Posted - 2013.08.20 19:35:00 -
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Roy Ventus wrote:Dj grammer wrote:Normally, I'm the quiet one and will speak on other forums when needed. My thoughts are as followed. The build up to this war started 3 weeks after Eon and LOI signed a treaty I think. The reason I said I think is because at that time I was not in a corporation. The one I was in (One-arm bandits) broke up over corruption of power (remember this line for later). I joined Red Star because my friend TorGuE77 was in that corp and we normally squad up with one another. But what I didn't know was EON was in war with LOI.
Following the events after the war people were saying how good EON was for beating LOI and etc, it was all over the forums. And for sometime people wanted to join EON for power and protection within PC. Within those 3 weeks I was spectating the forums to see if people would do what I was expecting. As people heard some individuals in EON decided to give land to indie corps (which needs a serious re-definition of what it takes to be a so called indie corp) to give them a chance. I kinda knew where this was going and I disliked it but to only see my speculations to be true hurts. To add even more to the pain my speculations were also confirmed when people wanted to revolt against EON to the point where war would break out. But I need to keep in mind that this is planetary conquest and expect the unexpected.
At this time I wanted to ask a fellow mercenary by the name of DJINN Kujo for advice. I sent him a message to only see he himself was in PC. I wanted to ask him questions since he was playing longer than me, that and he's a really cool person to talk to. But he would have said something like you need to find that answer on your own. I even wanted to (but didn't) ask Rina Rylos for her take but she would had said you're a mercenary first and last (I respect that).
When this war is said and done with, what happens when a big power defeats another big power. They get bigger. Problem being is when they obtain more power corruption can follow right after. Over time people in that big power would become power hungry to the point where they want to be in control. Eventually, that power will fall apart.
What I am saying is this, no matter who wins the war the outcome will forever be the same. By this I need to run a scenario to explain. Say IF EON lost, then people want to go to the winning side as human nature expects it to be. For sometime people will respect that and want their corporation to join said alliance. However some back-hand deals and scams to give indie corps land may appear along with people in that winning alliance wanting majority control. The people doing this is eventually caught by others and people will want justice done for their misdeeds. The people wanting power will leave and revolt against them. Thus causing a loop/cycle.
As of now the world of PC is in a Loop/cycle where winners will be praised for sometime being but then have the world turn against them. No I'm not sour about people attacking EON, I'm actually happy that this is happening. If anything, the DUST community proved to me that people will fight for what they stand for.
I will be the person to say if we win, we win. It's whatever to me. If we lose then I tip my hat off to the people that beat us. Again it's whatever to me. If you see me or I see you on the battlefield then lets have a good fight.
10/10 would read again. I'm aware of such a cycle happening again and it does concern me but I'm hoping that with such a diverse gallery of corporations in the war on the "rebel" side, everything will be split up(and I don't mean orderly but as in no one's declared the actual "winner" just that there side won). But that's what I'm hoping for. I'm planning to help small corporations and any other corporations that rise from the ashes of this affair and get them to become specialized or niche-focused corporations instead of just land-grabbing clans(Honestly that's what most corporations are). It's to my belief that diversifying the mercenary market when this is all said and done will at least offer a different outcome.
Be careful tho. The elite gamers do not want diversification. They want their side stacked with the best, rightfully so because they want to win, and that is all they care about. But the imbalance caused will forever create your loop/cycle thingamabob you said above.
Have a nice day, good post by the way +1 |
Dj grammer
Red Star. EoN.
39
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Posted - 2013.08.20 20:34:00 -
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I will be using this throughout the war as an insight to my personal thoughts when/out of battle. |
DJINN Kujo
Ancient Exiles
461
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Posted - 2013.08.20 21:57:00 -
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Thanks for adding me to this Grammer lol If you want to talk, hit me up! |
bigolenuts
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
66
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Posted - 2013.08.20 22:05:00 -
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Well said..*wipes tear* |
Dj grammer
Red Star. EoN.
42
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Posted - 2013.08.21 00:11:00 -
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1st PC battle in 20 minutes, I will say I am nervous. This is officially the 1st big war to partake in. All my friends awaiting and making squads are talking plans and stuff. But they look on the brighter side of things. People themselves are looking the battle seriously but someone did say if you do not see anything bright at the end of this tunnel then you are taking things too seriously. These group of guys are awesome. I'm willing to take a bullet for them in this war at anytime. So to Savage Arms Inc. (who we are fighting 1st), good luck and may the best man win. |
21yrOld Knight
187.
75
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Posted - 2013.08.21 05:09:00 -
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Yesterday on august 20th i was about to post something like this but then got bored. Molden heath has been sinusoidal with its emotions. If EON. was to topple then the corps attacking EON. Must never Unite, but that idea is REALLY STUPID because it will never happen. Corps will merge alliances once more and create power for them selves and the pattern continues. I agree with you Dj Grammer. |
Cpt Merdock
The Exemplars Top Men.
61
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Posted - 2013.08.21 06:56:00 -
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Most corps getting involved most likely don't even hate Eon, Like myself for example, not the biggest fan of Eon. but thats mostly cause they are red dots, other than that I respect them for actually using PC for what its worth and not ***** footing around, there are no rules so you can have your opinion on this war it really just comes down to who shoots who...with that being said those other corps that dont hate eon are trying to get guys used to PC sense molden heath is just the beta for PC. I dont hate EON> I respect them as my enemy, they are mercenary brothers and sisters to me. Just like in the American Civil War, you would see Union and Confederate soldiers having lunch together before and after major fights. They were all the same and they knew it. Most people fought for the money, or the thrills. Same thing here in Molden Heath, most fight for isk and experience, only few actually fight for a cause in this war. Those few just happen to be leaders and are able to gather troops.
You can agree with me or not, but EON after this war or even during this war Id like to give you a virtual handshake and wish you the best of luck, the real winners of this war are the ones that make the most profit. After this war if EON falls, then some other super power will rise, I suspect who it may be, but wont drop names for not wanting drama.
Again, good fights guys, keep them coming cause this is just day one! |
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NAMESR SOOVERATED
Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.08.21 12:45:00 -
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real life history has tought us this over and over again, but it keeps things interesting |
NAV HIV
The Generals EoN.
346
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Posted - 2013.08.21 13:17:00 -
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Good Read. happy Hunting everyone. |
ER-Bullitt
Molon Labe. League of Infamy
287
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Posted - 2013.08.22 16:43:00 -
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21yrOld Knight wrote:Yesterday on august 20th i was about to post something like this but then got bored. Molden heath has been sinusoidal with its emotions. If EON. was to topple then the corps attacking EON. Must never Unite, but that idea is REALLY STUPID because it will never happen. Corps will merge alliances once more and create power for them selves and the pattern continues. I agree with you Dj Grammer.
Alliances as they are setup in this game are the dubmest thing to ever grace the FPS 16v16 lobby shooter genre. Clans are one thing, as you will always have clan vs. clan action. Perhaps Alliances would have been a good idea to implement once this game was off to a booming start. But to allow it in a game with a 3-4k playerbase is dumb. really ******* dumb.
You want to talk about balance, because you all seem to think an imbalanced game is actually fun to play. Yes if you are on the stacked side, hellz ******* no if you arent. WIth a game this small, corporations should be severly limited to how many players they can hold. 25-50 TOPS. Once CCP actually takes the EvE **** out of their ass and realize the game model that worked for that game WONT work for this one, things might get better.
Whoever thought it was a good idea for the elite gamer douchebags to be able to join forces on one side to beat on the carebears and try to call the game "fun" is beyond retarted.
Carebears are the majority, CCP shunned them in this game. Yet most of you keep coming back hoping for some miracle to happen. Funny thing, carebears eventually turn into great players if they feel a game is worth playing for long enough. Everyone was a carebear/noob at one point. Time and dedication, or just pure skill at hand eye coordina tion, timing, whatever, eventually got you to where you are today. During that road, you probably became a bitter elitist at some point.
Listen, unless you break into EoN members homes and sabotage their PS3's or controllers, they will never break-up the imbalance they have created. To them, this is fun.. this is them "winning". If you were in there shoes would you feel any different? Most dont, some do.. and have joined the anti-EoN coalition. That is human nature at its finest, and quite frankly, its not fun. Thats why we leave the real world to join the virtual world in hopes of entertaiment. |
21yrOld Knight
High-Damage
80
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Posted - 2013.08.22 16:49:00 -
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ER-Bullitt wrote:
Listen, unless you break into EoN members homes and sabotage their PS3's or controllers, they will never break-up the imbalance they have created. To them, this is fun.. this is them "winning". If you were in there shoes would you feel any different? Most dont, some do.. and have joined the anti-EoN coalition. That is human nature at its finest, and quite frankly, its not fun. Thats why we leave the real world to join the virtual world in hopes of entertaiment.
That's what people thought about LOI well until Kujo pulled off a great heist with his crew. Its funny personally I think 187. could of prevented the fall of LOI if people knew about Angle sunshine an what she tried to do to us. |
Dj grammer
Red Star. EoN.
44
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Posted - 2013.08.23 14:57:00 -
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One thing has hopped on my mind. Decided to read the forums on how things are going. Let me make this clear before going into this topic, before you start claiming victories, before you start saying who is dominating who take a step back and realize something. Again not sour about the war but sour because of the DUST Forum community from the smaller corps. I have never seen poor sportsmanship in my life until now (this is why I sound sour).
PC battles are relativity EXPENSIVE!!!!!!
Now as of why I said that, what I had noticed during this war was some of the small corporations would love to launch attacks when people are not logged on at the time or when that defending corp has some of their power players gone. No problem with that but give this food for thought.
Which would you be more proud of? Winning/loosing a PC battle that had you on the edge of your seat or Wining a PC battle because you know people wouldn't show up at that time?
This question was asked because I have seen a lot of corps I haven't heard of saying they beat EON in a PC battle after wasting millions upon billions of ISK trying to capture that one district with some of them being no shows since there are battles at 4 am CST IN THE MORNING! But then to go and talk crap about EON on the forums. Normally I try to ignore them but after you see thread upon tread about this it gets annoying.
I happy and sad that the small corps can take A OR SOME districts but all I ask of you small corps of people from the FEC (whoever the **** they are) be a better sport about winning. SIDE NOTE: good game to AE from the last battle. |
Roy Ventus
Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance
393
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Posted - 2013.08.23 15:07:00 -
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Dj grammer wrote:One thing has hopped on my mind. Decided to read the forums on how things are going. Let me make this clear before going into this topic, before you start claiming victories, before you start saying who is dominating who take a step back and realize something. Again not sour about the war but sour because of the DUST Forum community from the smaller corps. I have never seen poor sportsmanship in my life until now (this is why I sound sour).
PC battles are relativity EXPENSIVE!!!!!!
Now as of why I said that, what I had noticed during this war was some of the small corporations would love to launch attacks when people are not logged on at the time or when that defending corp has some of their power players gone. No problem with that but give this food for thought.
Which would you be more proud of? Winning/loosing a PC battle that had you on the edge of your seat or Wining a PC battle because you know people wouldn't show up at that time?
This question was asked because I have seen a lot of corps I haven't heard of saying they beat EON in a PC battle after wasting millions upon billions of ISK trying to capture that one district with some of them being no shows since there are battles at 4 am CST IN THE MORNING! But then to go and talk crap about EON on the forums. Normally I try to ignore them but after you see thread upon tread about this it gets annoying.
I happy and sad that the small corps can take A OR SOME districts but all I ask of you small corps of people from the FEC (whoever the **** they are) be a better sport about winning. SIDE NOTE: good game to AE from the last battle.
o-o I'm glad you said some of the small corps instead of all of them. <.< I couldn't even take a absence as a win. It's just luck or timing. Although I'm P sure the other side would talk trash about some FEC corps having no-shows or using different groups of players for attacks that range from 10PM-3AM...Meh. It's all stupid.
Lol I actually talk a lot of trash when I'm only losing. Let Foxhound win a battle against TP with or without ringers and I'll quickly stfu o.o. There's methods to my madness. |
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