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        |  Fire of Prometheus
 DUST University
 Ivy League
 
 138
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.08.18 23:37:00 -
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 I got killed by an exo 5 MD today. Guess how far I was killed from, go on guess.
 
 3 metres away, guess how much damage the guy that killed me took? Zip, zero, nada, 0 big fat nothing!!!!!! He had full shields and armour and killed me from 3 m away without taking any damage from his own grenade!!!!!
 
 Seriously!!! This whole MD to your feet from 3 metres away needs to stop!!!!!
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        |  Iron Wolf Saber
 Den of Swords
 
 7448
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.08.18 23:38:00 -
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 Fire of Prometheus wrote:I got killed by an exo 5 MD today. Guess how far I was killed from, go on guess.
 3 metres away, guess how much damage the guy that killed me took? Zip, zero, nada, 0 big fat nothing!!!!!! He had full shields and armour and killed me from 3 m away without taking any damage from his own grenade!!!!!
 
 Seriously!!! This whole MD to your feet from 3 metres away needs to stop!!!!!
 
 I don't think their blast radius is that big.
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        |  Nocturnal Soul
 Immortal Retribution
 
 471
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.08.18 23:39:00 -
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 "Slowly raises LR in the air acting as if it was your solution to your problem"
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        |  TEBOW BAGGINS
 Rebel Raiders Inc.
 
 895
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.08.18 23:42:00 -
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 Fire of Prometheus wrote:I got killed by an exo 5 MD today. Guess how far I was killed from, go on guess.
 3 metres away, guess how much damage the guy that killed me took? Zip, zero, nada, 0 big fat nothing!!!!!! He had full shields and armour and killed me from 3 m away without taking any damage from his own grenade!!!!!
 
 Seriously!!! This whole MD to your feet from 3 metres away needs to stop!!!!!
 
 most likely: he fired behind you, which is why he chose the EXO for it's smaller splash.. the splash therefore got you but not him because he was beyond the 4m splash behind you.
 
 he fired so the shell exploded behind you, it's not easy to do, but it can happen at random, or it couldve been deliberate
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        |  Scheneighnay McBob
 Bojo's School of the Trades
 
 3027
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.08.18 23:45:00 -
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 What we need is friendly fire to be enabled- the only thing that needs to stop (besides AR users crying to nerf everything) is people hitting their teammates in CQC more than anything else, with no consequence.
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        |  low genius
 the sound of freedom
 Renegade Alliance
 
 309
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.08.18 23:49:00 -
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 Scheneighnay McBob wrote:What we need is friendly fire to be enabled- the only thing that needs to stop (besides AR users crying to nerf everything) is people hitting their teammates in CQC more than anything else, with no consequence. 
 friendly fire should be on in fw. it's low-sec, let's make it dangerous.
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        |  FLAYLOCK Steve
 Hellstorm Inc
 League of Infamy
 
 385
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.08.18 23:52:00 -
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 Fire of Prometheus wrote:I got killed by an exo 5 MD today. Guess how far I was killed from, go on guess.
 3 metres away, guess how much damage the guy that killed me took? Zip, zero, nada, 0 big fat nothing!!!!!! He had full shields and armour and killed me from 3 m away without taking any damage from his own grenade!!!!!
 
 Seriously!!! This whole MD to your feet from 3 metres away needs to stop!!!!!
 
 Not gonna waste my time writing so here's a quote
 
 FLAYLOCK Steve wrote:Part II Topic: Mass Drivers Many of you also have some major confusion regarding this weapon. So let me explain, it's both a breaching weapon and aerial denial. Meaning its designed to BOTH clear a area for the team and deny a area to the enemy. See? It's not just to keep them away but also to clear a area. Hence breaching weapon. The main thing that is putting the mass driver at risk is the minimum arming distance topic. Which I strongly disagree with for many reasons as I will explain.   Arial denial - its made to keep people away, not giving them a chance for advancement. Now let's say if the minimum range was implemented. That would create a "safe zone" for the enemy to advance to instead of retreating to. That itself would render the Arial of denial useless because it can simply be countered by advancement. Arial denial means keeping the enemy at bay, away from its user and it's targeted spots. Minimum arming distance would in fact defeat this purpose  Breaching: Breaching is basically cqc, it's creating a gap for your team. Meaning you have to clear the area and keep it clear. Minimum arming distance would ultimately defeat this purpose as well.  Now a little information about the mass driver.  It's been nerfed the most probably, it's finally useful. It's does its niche well, close to mid range support. Long if skilled. Has many disadvantages that we don't see with most weapons as follows: 1. Has the ability to take out its user, this requires tactical awareness 2. The user has to have combat awareness all times. 3. User must keep in mind that at certain elevations the weapon is useless. Thus forcing the user to change playing style based on the map design itself. 4. Has very limited ammo, user regularly outlives his ammo supply multiple times before dying 5. User has to carry equipment that could render its user at a disadvantage equipment wise on the battle field. To truly be effective he must carry a nano hive and a flux grenade. For logistics people its even harder because it lacks a side arm thus its flux grenade become its side arms. 6. User has only 6 shots before a long reload. Part II of mass driver : Fall off damage Someone made a very interesting post regarding this. Please read D legendary hero wrote:BL4CKST4R wrote:The MD doesn't need a buff especially when they are going to be used by everybody and their grandma after 1.4. If anything every weapon should get a damage buff not just the MD. Also the MD is performing way beyond were it is supposed to be with it doing 30% extra damage instead of 20% to armor and barely any fall off damage. its a grenade, grenades and rockets don't get fall off damage. projectiles do. think about it.  if I thow a metal ball at a wall, over distance the air friction, its own rotation and gravity are all forces that work against the initial force that acted on it. so, the damage the metal ball will do to the wall at 10m will not be the same at 30m. however, if that metal ball has gunpowder and a fuse mechenism in it, the same pysics apply to the ball, but now their is still the potential energy of the explosive inside. this potential energy does not change.  if I hit you with a grenade at 1m and it explodes, or throw it, it hits you and explodes at 30m will the explosion be less intense. No. so, why should explosives like MD, and flaylocks get fall off damage? also, too remember MD have a 5m lethal radius, and flaylocks have a 1m lethal radius. if this were taken literally (not suggesting it be this way) then that would be their OHK radius and out side that upto 3m would be deadly shrapnel from casing. Idk about you, but i dnt know any lethal weaponized explosives with a 1m blast radius...lol really the ARs need more fall off. Topic: shotguns Yes, I know there isn't any nerf thread about them (yet) but once 1.4 rolls out we will hear it. So I will start by saying they are fine and balanced and works as intended. And they will and should take you out in 1-2 hits. It's a cqc weapon that once it's fixed not even the mass driver can touch.  Thank you for reading, I know I will get trolled but most can't hold a valid argument against my points stated. 
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        |  Medic 1879
 Forsaken Immortals
 Top Men.
 
 905
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.08.19 01:31:00 -
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 TEBOW BAGGINS wrote:Fire of Prometheus wrote:I got killed by an exo 5 MD today. Guess how far I was killed from, go on guess.
 3 metres away, guess how much damage the guy that killed me took? Zip, zero, nada, 0 big fat nothing!!!!!! He had full shields and armour and killed me from 3 m away without taking any damage from his own grenade!!!!!
 
 Seriously!!! This whole MD to your feet from 3 metres away needs to stop!!!!!
 most likely: he fired behind you, which is why he chose the EXO for it's smaller splash.. the splash therefore got you but not him because he was beyond the 4m splash behind you. he fired so the shell exploded behind you, it's not easy to do, but it can happen at random, or it couldve been deliberate 
 ^ this, sick and tired of hatemail because I killed a guy a few meters away and didn't die. Maybe its because I was trying to shoot a distance behind you so you get hit not me and this time it worked. Funnily enough you never see someone using a MD complaining they blew themselves up because someone forced them into extreme CQC.
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        |  West Killington
 OSG Planetary Operations
 Covert Intervention
 
 10
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.08.19 04:49:00 -
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 All I ever hear anymore is people crying about the mass driver.
 (Fact) It can and will kill you in optimal circumstances.
 Adjust or continue to die.
 
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        |  Heathen Bastard
 Kang Lo Directorate
 Gallente Federation
 
 560
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.08.19 04:57:00 -
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 gotta love the "MD IS MEANT TO ABSOLUTELY DOMINATE EVERY SINGLE OTHER WEAPON IN THE GAME AT CQC" topics.
 
 what about the heavy? his weapon has far less range and is a definite cqc and breaching weapon. but put a good user of an HMG against virtually any user of a MD and the HMG will be a smear on the wall in 4-5 shots.
 
 what about shotguns? they don't even register in their effective range half the time. the MD registers in 90% of scenarios.
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        |  West Killington
 OSG Planetary Operations
 Covert Intervention
 
 12
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.08.19 05:00:00 -
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 Superior squad-play trumps all.
 
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        |  killian178
 Omega Elite Mercs INC.
 
 6
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.08.19 05:03:00 -
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 ^ +1
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        |  Skihids
 Bullet Cluster
 
 1920
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.08.19 05:13:00 -
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 Medic 1879 wrote:TEBOW BAGGINS wrote:Fire of Prometheus wrote:I got killed by an exo 5 MD today. Guess how far I was killed from, go on guess.
 3 metres away, guess how much damage the guy that killed me took? Zip, zero, nada, 0 big fat nothing!!!!!! He had full shields and armour and killed me from 3 m away without taking any damage from his own grenade!!!!!
 
 Seriously!!! This whole MD to your feet from 3 metres away needs to stop!!!!!
 most likely: he fired behind you, which is why he chose the EXO for it's smaller splash.. the splash therefore got you but not him because he was beyond the 4m splash behind you. he fired so the shell exploded behind you, it's not easy to do, but it can happen at random, or it couldve been deliberate ^ this, sick and tired of hatemail because I killed a guy a few meters away and didn't die. Maybe its because I was trying to shoot a distance behind you so you get hit not me and this time it worked. Funnily enough you never see someone using a MD complaining they blew themselves up because someone forced them into extreme CQC. 
 The haters refuse to acknowledge that you may have used skill with the MD to win an engagement, therefore your victory was due to a bug or poor mechanics.
 
 You can't win with these people. They see what they want to see and refuse to alter their play style to counter the MD, which is fine with me as long as CCP doesn't listen to their whining. I'm tired of trying to train them to counter me. They should be able to figure it out on their own if they are really so fantastic at FPS play.
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        |  NAV HIV
 The Generals
 EoN.
 
 335
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.08.19 14:06:00 -
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 Fire of Prometheus wrote:I got killed by an exo 5 MD today. Guess how far I was killed from, go on guess.
 3 metres away, guess how much damage the guy that killed me took? Zip, zero, nada, 0 big fat nothing!!!!!! He had full shields and armour and killed me from 3 m away without taking any damage from his own grenade!!!!!
 
 Seriously!!! This whole MD to your feet from 3 metres away needs to stop!!!!!
 
 May be he uses a Shield tank Dropsuit with minimum Armor and great shield recharge and regulation?!
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        |  ZDub 303
 TeamPlayers
 EoN.
 
 1680
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.08.19 14:12:00 -
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 Agreed OP, it'll be much nicer once they've nerfed MD-Shotgun. Its just Flaylock 2.0, and its only going to get worse as more people skill into it.
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        |  NAV HIV
 The Generals
 EoN.
 
 335
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.08.19 14:17:00 -
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 ZDub 303 wrote:Agreed OP, it'll be much nicer once they've nerfed MD-Shotgun. Its just Flaylock 2.0, and its only going to get worse as more people skill into it. 
 It's already boundless
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        |  Fire of Prometheus
 DUST University
 Ivy League
 
 139
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.08.19 14:43:00 -
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 I'm not complaining that I got killed by a MD, frankly I could care less about being killed by a MD.
 
 I'm complaining about the fact that the guy was 3m away and took no damage from his shots. My guy could have reached out and tapped the guy on the forehead (if it was possible to do so in this game).
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        |  Vespasian Andendare
 Subsonic Synthesis
 Alpha Wolf Pack
 
 106
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.08.19 14:43:00 -
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 Scheneighnay McBob wrote:So much this. It would be AWESOME and it may stop pubbies from running in front of you for no reason or just because they're being asshats.What we need is friendly fire to be enabled- the only thing that needs to stop (besides AR users crying to nerf everything) is people hitting their teammates in CQC more than anything else, with no consequence. 
 I don't know how you'd stop awoxers--especially given the poor state of matchmaking--but it'd certainly let us take out aggression on AFK farmers, nubs being bad hanging out in the redline, driving their vehicles away from the battle, etc. I'd even go so far as to take away WP when killing someone through FF, but I think too much of the player base would just go elsewhere where they don't have to worry about consequences of not being situationally aware. But oh man....I imagine it'd cut down on a lot of the spammy behavior, from grenades to MDs to general spray and pray.
 
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        |  NAV HIV
 The Generals
 EoN.
 
 339
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.08.19 15:47:00 -
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 Bump again. Some one please do something about the MD. Don't nerf it, just stop it from being the ultimate FOTM
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        |  TunRa
 The Vanguardians
 
 56
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.08.19 16:01:00 -
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 I....hate....this....community...
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        |  Charlotte O'Dell
 0uter.Heaven
 EoN.
 
 952
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.08.19 16:02:00 -
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 Fire of Prometheus wrote:I got killed by an exo 5 MD today. Guess how far I was killed from, go on guess.
 3 metres away, guess how much damage the guy that killed me took? Zip, zero, nada, 0 big fat nothing!!!!!! He had full shields and armour and killed me from 3 m away without taking any damage from his own grenade!!!!!
 
 Seriously!!! This whole MD to your feet from 3 metres away needs to stop!!!!!
 
 So increase blast radius? I use MD and I assure you it does do damage to the user. You either need to engage him within 2m or outside of 40m. Inside that is a kill zone for you.
 
 The MD radius isn't 10m like it used to be in Chrome with a fully elected out boundless. It actually maxes around 8, I think, with the Boundless.
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        |  Charlotte O'Dell
 0uter.Heaven
 EoN.
 
 952
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.08.19 16:04:00 -
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 Scheneighnay McBob wrote:What we need is friendly fire to be enabled- the only thing that needs to stop (besides AR users crying to nerf everything) is people hitting their teammates in CQC more than anything else, with no consequence. 
 I will flux you on purpose in every pub ever, while running free suits. Prepare for TK 514.
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        |  NAV HIV
 The Generals
 EoN.
 
 339
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.08.19 16:25:00 -
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 Charlotte O'Dell wrote:Fire of Prometheus wrote:I got killed by an exo 5 MD today. Guess how far I was killed from, go on guess.
 3 metres away, guess how much damage the guy that killed me took? Zip, zero, nada, 0 big fat nothing!!!!!! He had full shields and armour and killed me from 3 m away without taking any damage from his own grenade!!!!!
 
 Seriously!!! This whole MD to your feet from 3 metres away needs to stop!!!!!
 So increase blast radius? I use MD and I assure you it does do damage to the user. You either need to engage him within 2m or outside of 40m. Inside that is a kill zone for you. The MD radius isn't 10m like it used to be in Chrome with a fully elected out boundless. It actually maxes around 8, I think, with the Boundless. 
 Increase the Blast radius? You are a joke lol That's your idea of solving the guys problem ?
 
 
 I died only once with my MD. How?
 
 - The gunlogi exploded lol killed three guys in it and died in a glorious manner
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