DUST Search - We need that MD safety!!!!!

FLAYLOCK Steve wrote:

Part II
Topic: Mass Drivers
Many of you also have some major confusion regarding this weapon. So let me explain, it's both a breaching weapon and aerial denial. Meaning its designed to BOTH clear a area for the team and deny a area to the enemy. See? It's not just to keep them away but also to clear a area. Hence breaching weapon. The main thing that is putting the mass driver at risk is the minimum arming distance topic. Which I strongly disagree with for many reasons as I will explain.
Arial denial - its made to keep people away, not giving them a chance for advancement. Now let's say if the minimum range was implemented. That would create a "safe zone" for the enemy to advance to instead of retreating to. That itself would render the Arial of denial useless because it can simply be countered by advancement. Arial denial means keeping the enemy at bay, away from its user and it's targeted spots. Minimum arming distance would in fact defeat this purpose

Breaching: Breaching is basically cqc, it's creating a gap for your team. Meaning you have to clear the area and keep it clear. Minimum arming distance would ultimately defeat this purpose as well.
Now a little information about the mass driver.
It's been nerfed the most probably, it's finally useful. It's does its niche well, close to mid range support. Long if skilled. Has many disadvantages that we don't see with most weapons as follows:
1. Has the ability to take out its user, this requires tactical awareness
2. The user has to have combat awareness all times.
3. User must keep in mind that at certain elevations the weapon is useless. Thus forcing the user to change playing style based on the map design itself.
4. Has very limited ammo, user regularly outlives his ammo supply multiple times before dying
5. User has to carry equipment that could render its user at a disadvantage equipment wise on the battle field. To truly be effective he must carry a nano hive and a flux grenade. For logistics people its even harder because it lacks a side arm thus its flux grenade become its side arms.
6. User has only 6 shots before a long reload.

Part II of mass driver : Fall off damage
Someone made a very interesting post regarding this. Please read

D legendary hero wrote:

BL4CKST4R wrote:

The MD doesn't need a buff especially when they are going to be used by everybody and their grandma after 1.4. If anything every weapon should get a damage buff not just the MD. Also the MD is performing way beyond were it is supposed to be with it doing 30% extra damage instead of 20% to armor and barely any fall off damage.

its a grenade, grenades and rockets don't get fall off damage. projectiles do.

think about it.

if I thow a metal ball at a wall, over distance the air friction, its own rotation and gravity are all forces that work against the initial force that acted on it. so, the damage the metal ball will do to the wall at 10m will not be the same at 30m.

however, if that metal ball has gunpowder and a fuse mechenism in it, the same pysics apply to the ball, but now their is still the potential energy of the explosive inside. this potential energy does not change.

if I hit you with a grenade at 1m and it explodes, or throw it, it hits you and explodes at 30m will the explosion be less intense. No. so, why should explosives like MD, and flaylocks get fall off damage?

also, too remember MD have a 5m lethal radius, and flaylocks have a 1m lethal radius. if this were taken literally (not suggesting it be this way) then that would be their OHK radius and out side that upto 3m would be deadly shrapnel from casing. Idk about you, but i dnt know any lethal weaponized explosives with a 1m blast radius...lol

really the ARs need more fall off.

Topic: shotguns
Yes, I know there isn't any nerf thread about them (yet) but once 1.4 rolls out we will hear it. So I will start by saying they are fine and balanced and works as intended. And they will and should take you out in 1-2 hits. It's a cqc weapon that once it's fixed not even the mass driver can touch.

Thank you for reading, I know I will get trolled but most can't hold a valid argument against my points stated.


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FLAYLOCK Steve Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 385	Posted - 2013.08.18 23:52:00 - [1] - Quote Fire of Prometheus wrote: I got killed by an exo 5 MD today. Guess how far I was killed from, go on guess. 3 metres away, guess how much damage the guy that killed me took? Zip, zero, nada, 0 big fat nothing!!!!!! He had full shields and armour and killed me from 3 m away without taking any damage from his own grenade!!!!! Seriously!!! This whole MD to your feet from 3 metres away needs to stop!!!!! Not gonna waste my time writing so here's a quote FLAYLOCK Steve wrote: Part II Topic: Mass Drivers Many of you also have some major confusion regarding this weapon. So let me explain, it's both a breaching weapon and aerial denial. Meaning its designed to BOTH clear a area for the team and deny a area to the enemy. See? It's not just to keep them away but also to clear a area. Hence breaching weapon. The main thing that is putting the mass driver at risk is the minimum arming distance topic. Which I strongly disagree with for many reasons as I will explain. Arial denial - its made to keep people away, not giving them a chance for advancement. Now let's say if the minimum range was implemented. That would create a "safe zone" for the enemy to advance to instead of retreating to. That itself would render the Arial of denial useless because it can simply be countered by advancement. Arial denial means keeping the enemy at bay, away from its user and it's targeted spots. Minimum arming distance would in fact defeat this purpose Breaching: Breaching is basically cqc, it's creating a gap for your team. Meaning you have to clear the area and keep it clear. Minimum arming distance would ultimately defeat this purpose as well. Now a little information about the mass driver. It's been nerfed the most probably, it's finally useful. It's does its niche well, close to mid range support. Long if skilled. Has many disadvantages that we don't see with most weapons as follows: 1. Has the ability to take out its user, this requires tactical awareness 2. The user has to have combat awareness all times. 3. User must keep in mind that at certain elevations the weapon is useless. Thus forcing the user to change playing style based on the map design itself. 4. Has very limited ammo, user regularly outlives his ammo supply multiple times before dying 5. User has to carry equipment that could render its user at a disadvantage equipment wise on the battle field. To truly be effective he must carry a nano hive and a flux grenade. For logistics people its even harder because it lacks a side arm thus its flux grenade become its side arms. 6. User has only 6 shots before a long reload. Part II of mass driver : Fall off damage Someone made a very interesting post regarding this. Please read D legendary hero wrote: BL4CKST4R wrote: The MD doesn't need a buff especially when they are going to be used by everybody and their grandma after 1.4. If anything every weapon should get a damage buff not just the MD. Also the MD is performing way beyond were it is supposed to be with it doing 30% extra damage instead of 20% to armor and barely any fall off damage. its a grenade, grenades and rockets don't get fall off damage. projectiles do. think about it. if I thow a metal ball at a wall, over distance the air friction, its own rotation and gravity are all forces that work against the initial force that acted on it. so, the damage the metal ball will do to the wall at 10m will not be the same at 30m. however, if that metal ball has gunpowder and a fuse mechenism in it, the same pysics apply to the ball, but now their is still the potential energy of the explosive inside. this potential energy does not change. if I hit you with a grenade at 1m and it explodes, or throw it, it hits you and explodes at 30m will the explosion be less intense. No. so, why should explosives like MD, and flaylocks get fall off damage? also, too remember MD have a 5m lethal radius, and flaylocks have a 1m lethal radius. if this were taken literally (not suggesting it be this way) then that would be their OHK radius and out side that upto 3m would be deadly shrapnel from casing. Idk about you, but i dnt know any lethal weaponized explosives with a 1m blast radius...lol really the ARs need more fall off. Topic: shotguns Yes, I know there isn't any nerf thread about them (yet) but once 1.4 rolls out we will hear it. So I will start by saying they are fine and balanced and works as intended. And they will and should take you out in 1-2 hits. It's a cqc weapon that once it's fixed not even the mass driver can touch. Thank you for reading, I know I will get trolled but most can't hold a valid argument against my points stated.