i think av's need a buff or atleast the nades and lvl 1 to lvl 3 swarms do. jussaying

lolno crutch user

lolno crutch user

You are not mad at av, you are mad at the pricing on your tank. But rather than rant about that you go on and on day after day about av. Av is working as intended, forge damage range may need a reduction as far as dps. But av'ers are doing there job. And as far as your tanks being destroyed by 1 person.

Ive never played a game or even a RL scenario wherea single tank could not be destroyed by a single infantrymen. And even though your tanks are standard, it takes multiple proto av to destroy a well fitted tank from my experience, exception of forge. So please ask ccp to reduce the price from your belovd turrets and let av do its job.

lolno crutch user

I like how you accuse someone of using a crutch when you're sitting in a massive crutch for most of your game time.

You are not mad at av, you are mad at the pricing on your tank. But rather than rant about that you go on and on day after day about av. Av is working as intended, forge damage range may need a reduction as far as dps. But av'ers are doing there job. And as far as your tanks being destroyed by 1 person.

Ive never played a game or even a RL scenario wherea single tank could not be destroyed by a single infantrymen. And even though your tanks are standard, it takes multiple proto av to destroy a well fitted tank from my experience, exception of forge. So please ask ccp to reduce the price from your belovd turrets and let av do its job.

what am i crutching on?

this is grown folk talk child.

I like how you accuse someone of using a crutch when you're sitting in a massive crutch for most of your game time.

I like how you accuse someone of using a crutch when you're sitting in a massive crutch for most of your game time.

Yeah Infnatry gear should be way more expensive. Im glad you see it my way to. When can we get ADV suits that cost 325K ISK like in the 2009 trailers? Damn we need that and we need that soon.

Oh and AV nades need to die a horrible death and be removed from this game.

Oh and I'm purely an AV player right now.

With the way CCP buffs and nerfs 1.5 should be hilarious, personally i barely bring out my tank these days, far more fun flying my incubus around, its a nice change to see 4 ppl lobbing swarms at you and basically being impotent for the entire match, can't say the same for hand held tank guns though.

You are not mad at av, you are mad at the pricing on your tank. But rather than rant about that you go on and on day after day about av. Av is working as intended, forge damage range may need a reduction as far as dps. But av'ers are doing there job. And as far as your tanks being destroyed by 1 person.

Ive never played a game or even a RL scenario wherea single tank could not be destroyed by a single infantrymen. And even though your tanks are standard, it takes multiple proto av to destroy a well fitted tank from my experience, exception of forge. So please ask ccp to reduce the price from your belovd turrets and let av do its job.

The bolded makes me believe you are not a pure AV user at all.

But the problem is AV.

People always cried about not being able to solo tanks. What's next, do people want their ARs to do 1000 damage per shot to tanks?

Swarms and AV grenades are huge crutches... look up a bit. On my alt with standard AV grenades and a standard nanohive, I was able to rush to a Soma and pop it. Then immediately after, I popped an AUR Gunnlogi.... only with standard AV grenades and zero AV skills. Yeah, totally not a crutch.

Way back in closed beta, it actually took coordination and teamwork to take out a tank. But people didn't want to work together, so they cried "Nerf!" Back in closed beta, tanks were actually powerful and people feared them. But nobody wanted to spec into AV so they cried "Nerf!"

AV has received multiple buffs through multiple builds while tanks received nerf after nerf and never a single buff. Now AV is too powerful and tanks are too weak. If people cared enough to spec into AV back then, things would've been balanced. If people cared to work together, things would've been balanced.

I agree that the cost of proto suits and AV gear needs to go way up. There is no excuse for an infantry fit to cost less than my tank but be able to do more.

Also, you can tell how scrubby being an AV user has gotten when the only concession he is willing to make is to the forge, which he doesn't use. But his proto lol swarms and grenades? Oh no, those are fine.

Assert, it is the other way around, the FG is fine, it is the auto seeking scrub AV that needs work.

Read the big post i just wrote, lock on fire and forget, corner bending missiles, homing crutches for nades because you fail to aim at a tank because you have no aim etc etc etc

Lol ever used a stinger in cod? Puts swarms to shame.

My thing with a forge is it can sit on a 50ft tower and pound tanks while swarms dont have as much dps, travel time of the missles, and can be dodged if not in the open.

Stinger in COD? Sorry i dont play **** games

Tho the stinger in BF3 which is also a **** game but has **** vehicles to boot can OHD any heli with one shot, but the heli has counter measures

Stinger is a one hit disable. Just saying.

The problem is tanks and AV. Not just one or the other.

Shut up and wait for the 1.5 Vehicle patch that is rebalancing the entirety of Vehicles and AV.

Edit - The reason tanks were nerfed from closed beta, is because 2-3 tanks could lock down the entire playfield, with the only counter being throwing out likewise tanks. Games were either completely one-sided, or just a battle of tanks with infantry being in the way. Hence, the nerf.

Thats what OHD means

It used to be 2 or even 3, if you had ppl repairing in the heli then lol you need teamwork to drop it

Same with the tank, now its just 2 C4 and about 3 RPGs

BF3 vehicles got nerfed, because infantry cannot kill a tank with an AR and they want to solo it like in every other game and this is the mentality of todays gamers they want it easy

But you see, players didn't care enough to spec into AV to properly take care of tanks because they were too busy skilling into the AR to kill other infantry. Of course tanks would appear OP if all you were using was your free starter anti-armor fit. CCP did the wrong thing of nerfing tanks without knowing how higher level AV even competed against them. It seems like they balanced for militia and standard AV only, which is why we now have proto AV that can two shot one of the best tanks possible.

Mis read.

When the attack chopper had two sets of counter measures, and was a 2 hit disable, it was a classic example of OP. It required more than 2 people on the other team to devote time and resources to dropping it. Very good players could only push it back, and the better the pair in the bird, the worse it became. Or you had maps like Canals, where even scrubs could spawn trap the carrier and put up huge numbers.

You can still put up huge numbers in the little bird, it just takes a little bit more skill. And because of that, literally hundreds of scrubs started crying.

I can still do it

Problem is it just takes 1 scrub to OHD me before he carrys on his merry way

Attack chopper were with the gunner and pilot working together called teamwork and to bring it down you had to use teamwork on the ground and time it right, problem is its a vehicle and no infantry want to do that

You are not mad at av, you are mad at the pricing on your tank. But rather than rant about that you go on and on day after day about av. Av is working as intended, forge damage range may need a reduction as far as dps. But av'ers are doing there job. And as far as your tanks being destroyed by 1 person.

Ive never played a game or even a RL scenario wherea single tank could not be destroyed by a single infantrymen. And even though your tanks are standard, it takes multiple proto av to destroy a well fitted tank from my experience, exception of forge. So please ask ccp to reduce the price from your belovd turrets and let av do its job.

i think av's need a buff or atleast the nades and lvl 1 to lvl 3 swarms do. jussaying

If one scrub is slapping the disable on you, you can't fly the chopper.

Stingers present almost zero problem to the little bird/Z11 if they are flown right. Thats without engineers.

The old style chopper would take at least three guys to down, and that was if they came to your side of the map, so maybe as many as six guys to down 2 in a chopper is OP.

Lol ever used a stinger in cod? Puts swarms to shame.

I have seen some really good tankers shrug off massive amounts of firepower and keep on rolling in. One of my Corp mates is an excellent dropship pilot and decided to go tanking. He obviously had the mods to equip it and the knowledge of how to keep something far more fragile alive but still he went down. You know why?..
... He started feeling invulnerable and made mistakes.

yes you are in a tank, but here's the thing, tanks are lousy against troops. Always has been and always will be. Read any history on tank warfare and they always either need massive numbers in fairly open ground or massive infantry support in enclosed spaces. A tank in a city without overwhelming infantry is a coffin.

And remember, these are the BASIC tanks we have now. With ADVANCED mods at best. Most skills only make it easier to fit.

So yes I agree with OP. Your complaining about the cost right now. The tide will turn in your favour soon though. God help us all then

i think av's need a buff or atleast the nades and lvl 1 to lvl 3 swarms do. jussaying

But the problem is AV.

People always cried about not being able to solo tanks. What's next, do people want their ARs to do 1000 damage per shot to tanks?

Swarms and AV grenades are huge crutches... look up a bit. On my alt with standard AV grenades and a standard nanohive, I was able to rush to a Soma and pop it. Then immediately after, I popped an AUR Gunnlogi.... only with standard AV grenades and zero AV skills. Yeah, totally not a crutch.

Way back in closed beta, it actually took coordination and teamwork to take out a tank. But people didn't want to work together, so they cried "Nerf!" Back in closed beta, tanks were actually powerful and people feared them. But nobody wanted to spec into AV so they cried "Nerf!"

AV has received multiple buffs through multiple builds while tanks received nerf after nerf and never a single buff. Now AV is too powerful and tanks are too weak. If people cared enough to spec into AV back then, things would've been balanced. If people cared to work together, things would've been balanced.

wow... another thread on why tanks should be ****..

You are not mad at av, you are mad at the pricing on your tank. But rather than rant about that you go on and on day after day about av. Av is working as intended, forge damage range may need a reduction as far as dps. But av'ers are doing there job. And as far as your tanks being destroyed by 1 person.

Ive never played a game or even a RL scenario wherea single tank could not be destroyed by a single infantrymen. And even though your tanks are standard, it takes multiple proto av to destroy a well fitted tank from my experience, exception of forge. So please ask ccp to reduce the price from your belovd turrets and let av do its job.

I say forge should do less damage over distance, tanks are over priced, and thats the message you got?
Stop.

I have seen some really good tankers shrug off massive amounts of firepower and keep on rolling in. One of my Corp mates is an excellent dropship pilot and decided to go tanking. He obviously had the mods to equip it and the knowledge of how to keep something far more fragile alive but still he went down. You know why?..
... He started feeling invulnerable and made mistakes.

And remember, these are the BASIC tanks we have now. With ADVANCED mods at best. Most skills only make it easier to fit.

So yes I agree with OP. Your complaining about the cost right now. The tide will turn in your favour soon though. God help us all then

I gotta agree with the tankers on this one Arkenai. Infantry take for granted how much power we have over tanks. Its too easy to kill them, most games I tally up atleast 2-3 LAV's, 1-2 Tanks just with regular AV nades.....

I want AV grenades to die their final death, it doesn't even make sense how you can fit enough explosive power into such a small device to pierce 800+ mm Armour plates.

TL:DR the rest of the tread because your stupidity demands you be called out
Soma=milita=terribad
HC-130 Gunnlogi= i'm to lazy to invest sp into the tank to make it good=a crap tank
So before you go on a "AV Nade nerf" because you beat up on some crap gear. Just remember, its crap gear

I agree that a well-fitted tank can be near invulnerable. More and more I am coming up against HAVs that take an incredible amount of damage and keep on rolling. Several of them have taken 7 or more volleys of my proto swarm (3xComplex, Prof 3) and 3 or more Lai Dai and just kept on going as if I was a mosquito buzzing around their ears. Tanks may be paper thin as standard, but as with anything, put enough time/SP into them and they can be a beast.