I can still do it

Problem is it just takes 1 scrub to OHD me before he carrys on his merry way

Attack chopper were with the gunner and pilot working together called teamwork and to bring it down you had to use teamwork on the ground and time it right, problem is its a vehicle and no infantry want to do that

You are not mad at av, you are mad at the pricing on your tank. But rather than rant about that you go on and on day after day about av. Av is working as intended, forge damage range may need a reduction as far as dps. But av'ers are doing there job. And as far as your tanks being destroyed by 1 person.

Ive never played a game or even a RL scenario wherea single tank could not be destroyed by a single infantrymen. And even though your tanks are standard, it takes multiple proto av to destroy a well fitted tank from my experience, exception of forge. So please ask ccp to reduce the price from your belovd turrets and let av do its job.

i think av's need a buff or atleast the nades and lvl 1 to lvl 3 swarms do. jussaying

If one scrub is slapping the disable on you, you can't fly the chopper.

Stingers present almost zero problem to the little bird/Z11 if they are flown right. Thats without engineers.

The old style chopper would take at least three guys to down, and that was if they came to your side of the map, so maybe as many as six guys to down 2 in a chopper is OP.

Lol ever used a stinger in cod? Puts swarms to shame.

I have seen some really good tankers shrug off massive amounts of firepower and keep on rolling in. One of my Corp mates is an excellent dropship pilot and decided to go tanking. He obviously had the mods to equip it and the knowledge of how to keep something far more fragile alive but still he went down. You know why?..
... He started feeling invulnerable and made mistakes.

yes you are in a tank, but here's the thing, tanks are lousy against troops. Always has been and always will be. Read any history on tank warfare and they always either need massive numbers in fairly open ground or massive infantry support in enclosed spaces. A tank in a city without overwhelming infantry is a coffin.

And remember, these are the BASIC tanks we have now. With ADVANCED mods at best. Most skills only make it easier to fit.

So yes I agree with OP. Your complaining about the cost right now. The tide will turn in your favour soon though. God help us all then

i think av's need a buff or atleast the nades and lvl 1 to lvl 3 swarms do. jussaying

But the problem is AV.

People always cried about not being able to solo tanks. What's next, do people want their ARs to do 1000 damage per shot to tanks?

Swarms and AV grenades are huge crutches... look up a bit. On my alt with standard AV grenades and a standard nanohive, I was able to rush to a Soma and pop it. Then immediately after, I popped an AUR Gunnlogi.... only with standard AV grenades and zero AV skills. Yeah, totally not a crutch.

Way back in closed beta, it actually took coordination and teamwork to take out a tank. But people didn't want to work together, so they cried "Nerf!" Back in closed beta, tanks were actually powerful and people feared them. But nobody wanted to spec into AV so they cried "Nerf!"

AV has received multiple buffs through multiple builds while tanks received nerf after nerf and never a single buff. Now AV is too powerful and tanks are too weak. If people cared enough to spec into AV back then, things would've been balanced. If people cared to work together, things would've been balanced.

wow... another thread on why tanks should be ****..

You are not mad at av, you are mad at the pricing on your tank. But rather than rant about that you go on and on day after day about av. Av is working as intended, forge damage range may need a reduction as far as dps. But av'ers are doing there job. And as far as your tanks being destroyed by 1 person.

Ive never played a game or even a RL scenario wherea single tank could not be destroyed by a single infantrymen. And even though your tanks are standard, it takes multiple proto av to destroy a well fitted tank from my experience, exception of forge. So please ask ccp to reduce the price from your belovd turrets and let av do its job.

I say forge should do less damage over distance, tanks are over priced, and thats the message you got?
Stop.

I have seen some really good tankers shrug off massive amounts of firepower and keep on rolling in. One of my Corp mates is an excellent dropship pilot and decided to go tanking. He obviously had the mods to equip it and the knowledge of how to keep something far more fragile alive but still he went down. You know why?..
... He started feeling invulnerable and made mistakes.

And remember, these are the BASIC tanks we have now. With ADVANCED mods at best. Most skills only make it easier to fit.

So yes I agree with OP. Your complaining about the cost right now. The tide will turn in your favour soon though. God help us all then

I gotta agree with the tankers on this one Arkenai. Infantry take for granted how much power we have over tanks. Its too easy to kill them, most games I tally up atleast 2-3 LAV's, 1-2 Tanks just with regular AV nades.....

I want AV grenades to die their final death, it doesn't even make sense how you can fit enough explosive power into such a small device to pierce 800+ mm Armour plates.

TL:DR the rest of the tread because your stupidity demands you be called out
Soma=milita=terribad
HC-130 Gunnlogi= i'm to lazy to invest sp into the tank to make it good=a crap tank
So before you go on a "AV Nade nerf" because you beat up on some crap gear. Just remember, its crap gear

I agree that a well-fitted tank can be near invulnerable. More and more I am coming up against HAVs that take an incredible amount of damage and keep on rolling. Several of them have taken 7 or more volleys of my proto swarm (3xComplex, Prof 3) and 3 or more Lai Dai and just kept on going as if I was a mosquito buzzing around their ears. Tanks may be paper thin as standard, but as with anything, put enough time/SP into them and they can be a beast.