DUST Search - Saga BPOs

Poplo Furuya wrote:

Scheneighnay McBob wrote:

Alkalace McHearty wrote:

Scheneighnay McBob wrote:

Reaper Skordeman wrote:

True Murder Taxi's are the LLAV's.

I have the Blood Raider BPO, and it can be destroyed very easily, I mean not as easily as the MLT's.
The Blood Raiders/Watch Saga's you encountered are just very well equipped or you lack any AV Gear.

Plus if you don't think the removal of Free BPO's has reduced the frequency of Murder Taxi's your must be blind.

Free murder taxis weren't a problem because AVers destroyed them easily

And now AVers get to destroy something people spent money on, not a massive deal

Not as simple as that. Now, they're much harder to destroy, and not as common, so AVers are putting a lot of ISK and effort into getting a measly 40 WP, since drivers almost always bail anyway.

To be honest 25k per militia LAV isn't bad. 35k with a scanner. It's still fast and grants me a huge amount of mobility with a Forge Gun. That's what counts at the end of the day, the speed it grants you.

For anything not an LLAV one shot is still doing the trick in almost all cases. Even if they bail the ensuing explosion often kills. I think there might be +20% damage for shooting the lower half of an LAV which makes the difference between setting BPOs on fire versus outright killing them.

Would a BPO Saga be better and cheaper? Sure. Would it be a paradigm shift compared to a Baloch? Not even close.

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Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 3005	Posted - 2013.08.16 17:30:00 - [1] - Quote So, in an attempt to fix murder taxis, all CCP did was remove starter fit LAVs. Not only did these have nothing to do with the problem, but their existence balanced something else in the game- Through merc packs, players can get a BPO Saga. Previously, this was no big deal- just a small step up from starter fit LAVs. Now that starter fits are gone, this is downright P2W. While the average player can't use a (fragile) free militia LAV, players can use real money to buy a limitless supply of tougher LAVs, which can't be stopped like every other murder taxi in the game. Starter fit LAVs need to come back- they weren't a problem, and actually made AV a viable role.
Roofer Madness A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 138	Posted - 2013.08.16 17:36:00 - [2] - Quote I don't know about that. The Saga BPO I have is squishy as all hell. Much more like the Starter fit than a Murder Taxi. It does save a little bit of ISK though...
Ynned Ivanova Bragian Order Amarr Empire 52	Posted - 2013.08.16 17:37:00 - [3] - Quote P2W? Lols
XOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXO XOXOXOXOXOXO Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 235	Posted - 2013.08.16 17:38:00 - [4] - Quote its not squishy if you have vehicle passives maxed also who needs free starter fits when I can call in 5-6 free blood raiders for all to use
Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 3005	Posted - 2013.08.16 17:38:00 - [5] - Quote Roofer Madness wrote: I don't know about that. The Saga BPO I have is squishy as all hell. Much more like the Starter fit than a Murder Taxi. It does save a little bit of ISK though... Sagas are better than Onikumas, so it can't be squishier than starter fit BPOs.
THE TRAINSPOTTER ROMANIA Renegades C0VEN 125	Posted - 2013.08.16 17:39:00 - [6] - Quote CoD Go
Sgt Kirk SyNergy Gaming EoN. 1131	Posted - 2013.08.16 17:40:00 - [7] - Quote All these damn Caldari BPO LAVs. Where's the Gallente Methana BPOs? Edit: There are four Caldari BPO LAVs currently and there used to be 5 while there are absolutely NO METHANA BPOs. Why are you so Biased CCP?
Reaper Skordeman The Reaper Crew PMC 80	Posted - 2013.08.16 17:43:00 - [8] - Quote True Murder Taxi's are the LLAV's. I have the Blood Raider BPO, and it can be destroyed very easily, I mean not as easily as the MLT's. The Blood Raiders/Watch Saga's you encountered are just very well equipped or you lack any AV Gear. Plus if you don't think the removal of Free BPO's has reduced the frequency of Murder Taxi's your must be blind.
hackerzilla Defenders of the Helghast Dream 207	Posted - 2013.08.16 17:45:00 - [9] - Quote The saga BPO isn't tough. Mine is SLIGHTLY tougher than other peoples cause I run 2 militia shield resistance mods and a militia booster BPO...
FLAYLOCK Steve Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 349	Posted - 2013.08.16 17:47:00 - [10] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: So, in an attempt to fix murder taxis, all CCP did was remove starter fit LAVs. Not only did thes. nothing to do with the problem, but their existence balanced something else in the game- Through merc packs, players can get a BPO Saga. Previously, this was no big deal- just a small step up from starter fit LAVs. Now that starter fits are gone, this is downright P2W. While the average player can't use a (fragile) free militia LAV, players can use real money to buy a limitless supply of tougher LAVs, which can't be stopped like every other murder taxi in the game. Starter fit LAVs need to come back- they weren't a problem, and actually made AV a viable role. Oh hell no you didn't go there! Fk this, I paid over $200 on this game to Support it. Now you trying to say its p2w? Lol wow, only 2 merc packs that i own contains bpo saga. One is $50 the other is $100. and you saying its a problem? Lol the main reason i bought the $50 pack was for the saga itself. Please stop, I happen to help the team by spawning my saga for those who doesn't have it. so again stop crying and buy it too. Its not p2w, it's only a standard vehicle.
ugg reset Molon Labe. League of Infamy 355	Posted - 2013.08.16 17:49:00 - [11] - Quote the saga is good but its not that good. if you run a militia forge with militia everything you wont even break 1000 ISK. this isn't the only option, there are tanks, av nades and any combination of light weapon(some work a lot better than others) that can clear the field of squishy "free LAVs". Modules with vehicles as with drop suites, make the fit. In short, the BPC gives you a free car but you still need to pay to fit it.
Doc Noah Algintal Core Gallente Federation 444	Posted - 2013.08.16 17:57:00 - [12] - Quote We already argued to death about it, CCP made it pretty clear in their stance that its a step forward in mitigating it when its pretty obvious they didnt do jack squat about murder taxis. Lets wait until the LAV rebalance they are mentioning about in an upcoming patch before we start whoopee cushioning their work chairs.
Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 3005	Posted - 2013.08.16 19:02:00 - [13] - Quote Reaper Skordeman wrote: True Murder Taxi's are the LLAV's. I have the Blood Raider BPO, and it can be destroyed very easily, I mean not as easily as the MLT's. The Blood Raiders/Watch Saga's you encountered are just very well equipped or you lack any AV Gear. Plus if you don't think the removal of Free BPO's has reduced the frequency of Murder Taxi's your must be blind. Free murder taxis weren't a problem because AVers destroyed them easily
Alkalace McHearty Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 0	Posted - 2013.08.16 19:03:00 - [14] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Reaper Skordeman wrote: True Murder Taxi's are the LLAV's. I have the Blood Raider BPO, and it can be destroyed very easily, I mean not as easily as the MLT's. The Blood Raiders/Watch Saga's you encountered are just very well equipped or you lack any AV Gear. Plus if you don't think the removal of Free BPO's has reduced the frequency of Murder Taxi's your must be blind. Free murder taxis weren't a problem because AVers destroyed them easily And now AVers get to destroy something people spent money on, not a massive deal
Vespasian Andendare Subsonic Synthesis Alpha Wolf Pack 98	Posted - 2013.08.16 19:10:00 - [15] - Quote Ynned Ivanova wrote: P2W? Lols I like that anything you can buy that is put in the game automatically means "P2W."
Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 3005	Posted - 2013.08.16 19:20:00 - [16] - Quote Vespasian Andendare wrote: Ynned Ivanova wrote: P2W? Lols I like that anything you can buy that is put in the game automatically means "P2W." P2W is something you can only get the likes of through real money- BPO dropsuits are fine, because of starter fit dropsuits. However, BPO LAVs are through rwt only.
THUNDERGROOVE ZionTCD 146	Posted - 2013.08.16 20:00:00 - [17] - Quote Flux Chunk Chunk Chunk BOOM +50WP +50WP +40WP Blood Raiders Saga destruction Me to my squad "God I love killing these BPO LAVs with my mass driver."
THE TRAINSPOTTER ROMANIA Renegades C0VEN 125	Posted - 2013.08.16 20:03:00 - [18] - Quote i hav militia tank , it kiled ezy i hav scot sut it kiled eazy i hav balog it kile ezy
Aizen Intiki Ghost Wolf Industries Alpha Wolf Pack 443	Posted - 2013.08.16 20:03:00 - [19] - Quote I like how P2W is worth 20k a pop to you
Lt Royal Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 657	Posted - 2013.08.16 20:19:00 - [20] - Quote THE TRAINSPOTTER wrote: i hav militia tank , it kiled ezy i hav scot sut it kiled eazy i hav balog it kile ezy I cant spell, I get kiled ezy on fourmz
Coleman Gray GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 437	Posted - 2013.08.16 20:24:00 - [21] - Quote Only P2W if you let it be
Rusty Shallows Black Jackals 264	Posted - 2013.08.16 20:27:00 - [22] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: Where's the Gallente Methana BPOs? It isn't easy being green
Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 3007	Posted - 2013.08.16 20:31:00 - [23] - Quote Alkalace McHearty wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Reaper Skordeman wrote: True Murder Taxi's are the LLAV's. I have the Blood Raider BPO, and it can be destroyed very easily, I mean not as easily as the MLT's. The Blood Raiders/Watch Saga's you encountered are just very well equipped or you lack any AV Gear. Plus if you don't think the removal of Free BPO's has reduced the frequency of Murder Taxi's your must be blind. Free murder taxis weren't a problem because AVers destroyed them easily And now AVers get to destroy something people spent money on, not a massive deal Not as simple as that. Now, they're much harder to destroy, and not as common, so AVers are putting a lot of ISK and effort into getting a measly 40 WP, since drivers almost always bail anyway.
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 1222	Posted - 2013.08.16 20:33:00 - [24] - Quote FLAYLOCK Steve wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: So, in an attempt to fix murder taxis, all CCP did was remove starter fit LAVs. Not only did thes. nothing to do with the problem, but their existence balanced something else in the game- Through merc packs, players can get a BPO Saga. Previously, this was no big deal- just a small step up from starter fit LAVs. Now that starter fits are gone, this is downright P2W. While the average player can't use a (fragile) free militia LAV, players can use real money to buy a limitless supply of tougher LAVs, which can't be stopped like every other murder taxi in the game. Starter fit LAVs need to come back- they weren't a problem, and actually made AV a viable role. Oh hell no you didn't go there! Fk this, I paid over $200 on this game to Support it. Now you trying to say its p2w? Lol wow, only 2 merc packs that i own contains bpo saga. One is $50 the other is $100. and you saying its a problem? Lol the main reason i bought the $50 pack was for the saga itself. Please stop, I happen to help the team by spawning my saga for those who doesn't have it. so again stop crying and buy it too. Its not p2w, it's only a standard vehicle. Either you missed the point, or you paid to win and you're upset you got called on it.
Rogatien Merc Red Star. EoN. 720	Posted - 2013.08.16 20:42:00 - [25] - Quote Roofer Madness wrote: I don't know about that. The Saga BPO I have is squishy as all hell. Much more like the Starter fit than a Murder Taxi. It does save a little bit of ISK though... Throwing 3x militia resistance amplifiers (BPO means entire thing remains free) gives something like 1600 effective (1200 base) shield HP on top of 825 lolarmor with a shield recharge rate of 32 / second (~40 effective / second). Not "tanky" by any means, but it regularly stands up to advanced swarms. Militias barely take it down to half shields. If nothing else it can take one hit of just about "anything" and give me a chance to jump out. AV nades being the only thing that really comes in so fast I can't get out of the way in time, but that's cuz i'm a noob driver. I have proto swarms and believe me.... onikuma / balochs are OHKO but Sagas usually take 2x. It makes a difference. I very very rarely murder taxi (think it's boring and cheap) but I just did this afternoon due to like 4x red LAVs around one objective with nothing but mass drivers everywhere because we had 4/5 objectives. Was quite cathartic. Sort of hate myself for it though, so back to grinding in a bpo suit.
Rogatien Merc Red Star. EoN. 720	Posted - 2013.08.16 20:46:00 - [26] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Alkalace McHearty wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Reaper Skordeman wrote: True Murder Taxi's are the LLAV's. I have the Blood Raider BPO, and it can be destroyed very easily, I mean not as easily as the MLT's. The Blood Raiders/Watch Saga's you encountered are just very well equipped or you lack any AV Gear. Plus if you don't think the removal of Free BPO's has reduced the frequency of Murder Taxi's your must be blind. Free murder taxis weren't a problem because AVers destroyed them easily And now AVers get to destroy something people spent money on, not a massive deal Not as simple as that. Now, they're much harder to destroy, and not as common, so AVers are putting a lot of ISK and effort into getting a measly 40 WP, since drivers almost always bail anyway. Agree that with the removal of FREE starter LAVs, the rewards for destruction of LAVs should be slightly increased. I think 60-75 is appropriate considering tankier LAVs require more time to take out.
Ynned Ivanova Bragian Order Amarr Empire 52	Posted - 2013.08.16 20:49:00 - [27] - Quote We paid and support the game numbnuts, how much have you laid down? The bpos are squishy as hell, 1 proto swarm and they pop.
Poplo Furuya Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 646	Posted - 2013.08.16 20:57:00 - [28] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Alkalace McHearty wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Reaper Skordeman wrote: True Murder Taxi's are the LLAV's. I have the Blood Raider BPO, and it can be destroyed very easily, I mean not as easily as the MLT's. The Blood Raiders/Watch Saga's you encountered are just very well equipped or you lack any AV Gear. Plus if you don't think the removal of Free BPO's has reduced the frequency of Murder Taxi's your must be blind. Free murder taxis weren't a problem because AVers destroyed them easily And now AVers get to destroy something people spent money on, not a massive deal Not as simple as that. Now, they're much harder to destroy, and not as common, so AVers are putting a lot of ISK and effort into getting a measly 40 WP, since drivers almost always bail anyway. To be honest 25k per militia LAV isn't bad. 35k with a scanner. It's still fast and grants me a huge amount of mobility with a Forge Gun. That's what counts at the end of the day, the speed it grants you. For anything not an LLAV one shot is still doing the trick in almost all cases. Even if they bail the ensuing explosion often kills. I think there might be +20% damage for shooting the lower half of an LAV which makes the difference between setting BPOs on fire versus outright killing them. Would a BPO Saga be better and cheaper? Sure. Would it be a paradigm shift compared to a Baloch? Not even close.
Rynoceros Rise Of Old Dudes 502	Posted - 2013.08.16 21:06:00 - [29] - Quote I'm glad I only went to Lvl 3 on Swarms with the absence of the freebies. Those DAU-2 Forges are looking pretty frickin sweet. Well, at least they do when they kill me. I'd love to shove one up a HAV's ***.
Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 3008	Posted - 2013.08.16 21:06:00 - [30] - Quote Poplo Furuya wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Alkalace McHearty wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Reaper Skordeman wrote: True Murder Taxi's are the LLAV's. I have the Blood Raider BPO, and it can be destroyed very easily, I mean not as easily as the MLT's. The Blood Raiders/Watch Saga's you encountered are just very well equipped or you lack any AV Gear. Plus if you don't think the removal of Free BPO's has reduced the frequency of Murder Taxi's your must be blind. Free murder taxis weren't a problem because AVers destroyed them easily And now AVers get to destroy something people spent money on, not a massive deal Not as simple as that. Now, they're much harder to destroy, and not as common, so AVers are putting a lot of ISK and effort into getting a measly 40 WP, since drivers almost always bail anyway. To be honest 25k per militia LAV isn't bad. 35k with a scanner. It's still fast and grants me a huge amount of mobility with a Forge Gun. That's what counts at the end of the day, the speed it grants you. For anything not an LLAV one shot is still doing the trick in almost all cases. Even if they bail the ensuing explosion often kills. I think there might be +20% damage for shooting the lower half of an LAV which makes the difference between setting BPOs on fire versus outright killing them. Would a BPO Saga be better and cheaper? Sure. Would it be a paradigm shift compared to a Baloch? Not even close. The only way you're going to OHK a non-militia LAV is if you're running proto AV, or advanced with a lot of damage mods.

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