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Absolute Idiom II wrote:

FLAYLOCK Steve wrote:

Absolute Idiom II wrote:

Ever since TF2, the grenade launcher-esque weapon has always been my favourite. I love learning the skill it requires to hit people at odd angles when they are above you on slopes. I waited to skill into the mass driver until the de-sync issues were solved and now I get many more kills with it that I ever did with the AR.

I can't quite tell if the MD is OP or just right - I do seem to be pretty good at getting direct hits when people feel most safe against me. On the other hand as an area denial weapon used in CQC when you've learned to not hit yourself with the splash damage it's found it's niche all right. I went 27/7 as an Amarr Logi a few days ago.

What are you trying to prove by that score. I can get that using a scout and a smg if im not being hard headed and trying to get kills with my nova knife lol

Because it's a logi suit (with actual equipment, not distorted into an assault), and an unusually high score for myself in the past few months. Basically, by only changing the weapon that I use to MD I have boosted the number of kills that I get.


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Cross Atu Conspiratus Immortalis Covert Intervention 1483	Posted - 2013.08.16 09:37:00 - [1] - Quote Thank you. I used to be completely convinced that the MD was OP. I wrote a thread posted the feedback and its support and was in response challenged to actually use the MD exclusively for a awhile to test it first and and see what I thought of it it then. Having tested it from the other side for an extended span I was forced to retract my earlier statements and ended up using the MD as a weapon to support my squad even though it meant a lower average kdr for me. I won't continue, at least for the moment, because this post is to thank you for a well constructed OP not to rehash the emotional, rather than analytical, knee-jerk/qq of so many feedback threads present. Nicely done sir, +1 Cross PS ~ For those keeping score at home the "OP MD" loses ~8/10th of the time against my BPO AR and free Logi fit even when that MD is Proto and its user is in a Proto suit. If the qq'ers are correct and the MD is truly imbalanced it's certainly not OP because it can be killed by a player who has mediocre gun game (me) using a low grade AR.
Cross Atu Conspiratus Immortalis Covert Intervention 1489	Posted - 2013.08.16 16:45:00 - [2] - Quote Absolute Idiom II wrote: FLAYLOCK Steve wrote: Absolute Idiom II wrote: Ever since TF2, the grenade launcher-esque weapon has always been my favourite. I love learning the skill it requires to hit people at odd angles when they are above you on slopes. I waited to skill into the mass driver until the de-sync issues were solved and now I get many more kills with it that I ever did with the AR. I can't quite tell if the MD is OP or just right - I do seem to be pretty good at getting direct hits when people feel most safe against me. On the other hand as an area denial weapon used in CQC when you've learned to not hit yourself with the splash damage it's found it's niche all right. I went 27/7 as an Amarr Logi a few days ago. What are you trying to prove by that score. I can get that using a scout and a smg if im not being hard headed and trying to get kills with my nova knife lol Because it's a logi suit (with actual equipment, not distorted into an assault), and an unusually high score for myself in the past few months. Basically, by only changing the weapon that I use to MD I have boosted the number of kills that I get. Sounds like you found a play style that suits you. Your kill total went up when switching to MD, mine went down (though my usefulness to my squad went up because I could provide suppression) both are anecdotal and neither is specific to situations, fits, SP invested or squad synergies. Anecdotal commentary is not reason enough to alter game mechanics, especially when there is conflicting anecdotal information saying the converse as well. 0.02 ISK Cross PS ~ For those keeping score at home I use the AR currently because I found that during Uprising a free AR with zero SP support was providing a higher rate of performance for me than a Proto MD with a million plus SP poured into it. I like the concept of the support value the MD provides, but much like the LR I'll put SP into it when CCP makes it clear that it'll be a weapon with tactical utility on par with the AR not the equivalent of in game flavor text (as the AR is now and the MD will more than likely become if the "minimum distance" et al trend continues).
Cross Atu Conspiratus Immortalis Covert Intervention 1493	Posted - 2013.08.16 21:38:00 - [3] - Quote Gelhad Thremyr wrote: The weapon itself is well balanced, the frustration of all the people I know playing Dust including me about this weapon is the fact that when more than 3 players are using it, and using the freedom version or anything that is especially cruel, gives the average player the idea to leave and stop playing DUST altogether. Your tactics you mention are good against one, when you have 3 and I have seriously witnessed 4 people using it near each others, you cant do squat. You have probably noticed the bigger corps running around in proto suits using proto weapons in normal matchmaking because they make a ridiculous amount of money out of districts, well when they are armed with these weapons and there is no FF, its pretty difficult to play the game AT ALL. Death taxi, sniper rifle, nades, Tac, Scram, stealth/free ninja shottynova knife (lean towards the BPO scout + BPO shotty myself), Forge Gun, HAV, DS. ^All of the above have proven effective counter tactics to counter groups of MDs. Also of note is that if you have the high ground on a MD user, even if he has several MD friends, you are in a good situation to wreak havoc. 0.02 ISK Cross PS ~ without friendly fire turned on rounds will detonate due to the occlusion of friendly modules thus making for another option to use the MDs splash against its wielder.
Cross Atu Conspiratus Immortalis Covert Intervention 1498	Posted - 2013.08.17 17:06:00 - [4] - Quote Life as a starting character is hard. Try playing a zero sp character in a starter fit versus a proto MD + proto suit. The net results for me, I can get the MD user to just under 50% health before being killed when the fight starts at range. Let is examine this however, most of the times I die in my 0 SP because of MD fire it is the finishing blow after other weapons have taken me into armor already. I died at least as often from a Duvolle as a MD, and possibly more quickly (the users of the Duvolle certainly danced less while killing me). Finally worth noting is that a 0 SP character in a starter fit likely should be losing fights when out numbered by mercs in proto. The fact that my starter fit with 0 SP support was able to kill full proto about 1/3 of the time in a 1v1 situation with my mediocre gun game (this was against a full squad of Pure Innocence in a pub match) indicates that SP and gear are meaningful but not the final deciding factor. As for how quickly I died most of the time when outnumbered.... well I was outnumbered by an organized squad on comms, if I wasn't losing it would be a bad sign for their teamwork generally speaking. The testing will continue but this "worst case scenario" test set was worth posting right away. 0.02 ISK Cross ps ~ in my free starter fit with zero sp support the proto MD never once OHK'ed me, the one time I thought it had the 'kill mail' from CCP informed me I'd just had a precision strike dropped on my head.