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Skipper Jones wrote:

D legendary hero wrote:

gargantuise aaron wrote:

Your physics are very misleading, set a brick on a your table at a 180 degree angle punch said brick
Your bigger than the brick you were faster thsn the brick but your hand still took massive damage
On a larger scale if find a concrete barier they weigh aprox 300-600 lbs depending on size possibly more ,now drive yoyr car into 4 in a row

well, that brick has a higher density than my hand so my fist and especially the fragile point of contact can be damaged... however, if you have ever seen a karate exibition you will know people can punch through very sturdy objects at the right angles.

also, remember that brick is on a table, so i have to punch the brick with enough force to over come the normal force of the table if i mess up, the mass of the brick times my fists accelaration will be reflected back into my hand causing me to go to the hospital.... but i digress.

I got a 70 in physics anyway im not that good, but what i do know is that if i get hit by a truck, that trick is not gonna blow up...lol

make AV nades do more damage to LAVs, just make LAVs weaker in durability.
a milita LAV should die in 2 AV grenades, OR 1 forgun shot.

OR even better, just make it so that LAVs tank 80% damage from small arms fire. then we could blow them up with ARs, and they would need to use their mobility tp escape. (note: im not trolling i am actually promoting this)

Agreed. Make it so good AV nades are OHK on MLT LAVs and more 'skilled into' LLAVs take a little more work, but aren't impossible to kill


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D legendary hero THE WARRIORS OF LEGEND 643	Posted - 2013.08.16 06:49:00 - [1] - Quote gargantuise aaron wrote: Lets use physics to solve the murder taxi epidemic say a player with a shield armor total of 500 gets ran down why not make him do 500 damage to the lav Its an explainable solution so that's good enough for most F = MACosA. cosine of an angle that is not 90 degress or 180 degrees. My 2 metric ton LAV is moving at lets say some 30 km/h, thats alot of force. your soldier is standing still. the only forces acting on him are gravity (lets assume 9.8m/s^2 on this planet), the normal force of the earth holding him up, and his initial inertia (the effect of objects not wanting to change their state or direction of motion) Ft = Fsoldier - Flav since your soldier current force (potential energy) is being exibited at 90 degrees and 180 degrees (he is standing completely still). your soldier has Mass x, but is exerting no force. becasue F = MA. his M the Acceleration of the lav = his Force exerted on the lav when the LAV hits him. but because his Mass is not 2 metric tons, LAV wins. end of lesson.
D legendary hero THE WARRIORS OF LEGEND 643	Posted - 2013.08.16 06:53:00 - [2] - Quote to fix LAVs just make them take 50% damage from small arms , instead of 10% they currently do, and make AV nades throw farther. problem solved LAVS SHOULD NOT TAKE MASSIVE DAMAGE FOR HITTING PEOPLE! MAKE THEM TAKE MORE DAMAGE TO SMALL ARMS (50% DAMAGE), MAKE AV 'NADES THROW FARTHER, MAKE DIRECT SHOTS TO THE HOOD DO DOUBLE DAMAGE
D legendary hero THE WARRIORS OF LEGEND 644	Posted - 2013.08.16 07:11:00 - [3] - Quote gargantuise aaron wrote: Your physics are very misleading, set a brick on a your table at a 180 degree angle punch said brick Your bigger than the brick you were faster thsn the brick but your hand still took massive damage On a larger scale if find a concrete barier they weigh aprox 300-600 lbs depending on size possibly more ,now drive yoyr car into 4 in a row well, that brick has a higher density than my hand so my fist and especially the fragile point of contact can be damaged... however, if you have ever seen a karate exibition you will know people can punch through very sturdy objects at the right angles. also, remember that brick is on a table, so i have to punch the brick with enough force to over come the normal force of the table if i mess up, the mass of the brick times my fists accelaration will be reflected back into my hand causing me to go to the hospital.... but i digress. I got a 70 in physics anyway im not that good, but what i do know is that if i get hit by a truck, that trick is not gonna blow up...lol make AV nades do more damage to LAVs, just make LAVs weaker in durability. a milita LAV should die in 2 AV grenades, OR 1 forgun shot. OR even better, just make it so that LAVs tank 80% damage from small arms fire. then we could blow them up with ARs, and they would need to use their mobility tp escape. (note: im not trolling i am actually promoting this)
D legendary hero THE WARRIORS OF LEGEND 644	Posted - 2013.08.16 07:17:00 - [4] - Quote Skipper Jones wrote: gargantuise aaron wrote: Skipper Jones wrote: gargantuise aaron wrote: Lets use physics to solve the murder taxi epidemic say a player with a shield armor total of 500 gets ran down why not make him do 500 damage to the lav Its an explainable solution so that's good enough for most That's makes no sense. There shouldn't be the EXACT same amount of feedback damage when people get run over. No. Your title is true, but when there is another force in action that affects the reaction. So if you punch a wall, it may leave a hole or may just stay unchanged (Depending on what type of wall) If the wall isn't very study, or doesn't have much behind it, then it will not leave a hole. If the wall is made of weaker material, and doesn't have much holding it up, then it will leave a hole. Same thing applies here. The LAV is made of VERY strong material, and has a lot of force pushing it forward to make it go. Not to mention the speed that's it's traveling and the density of the LAV. You ever seen a car hit a moose? No? Well basicaly your cars totaled and the moose may or may not walk away, Have you seen a Car hit a human? No? We aren't hitting mooses in the game. Mooses have way more bone structure and flesh than we do. That and its normaly a 500-600lb moose and the cars hood gets taken off... the car doesnt just explode. Also, these arent the 1987 model cars up there in canada made with actual steel, these are fiberglass cars basically plastic cars, designed to minimize impact damage. normally these collisions with moose involve the driver trying to slow down. now imagin, a 2 metric ton armored car, designed to with stand gun fire from plasma, weaponry, lasers, rail shots and other guns, drving at full speed and hitting a human. or a moose, hell it do serious damage even to a rhino. hell, according to your logic if a rhino charges me and hits me the rhino will take damage too...lol
D legendary hero THE WARRIORS OF LEGEND 644	Posted - 2013.08.16 07:23:00 - [5] - Quote Skipper Jones wrote: D legendary hero wrote: gargantuise aaron wrote: Your physics are very misleading, set a brick on a your table at a 180 degree angle punch said brick Your bigger than the brick you were faster thsn the brick but your hand still took massive damage On a larger scale if find a concrete barier they weigh aprox 300-600 lbs depending on size possibly more ,now drive yoyr car into 4 in a row well, that brick has a higher density than my hand so my fist and especially the fragile point of contact can be damaged... however, if you have ever seen a karate exibition you will know people can punch through very sturdy objects at the right angles. also, remember that brick is on a table, so i have to punch the brick with enough force to over come the normal force of the table if i mess up, the mass of the brick times my fists accelaration will be reflected back into my hand causing me to go to the hospital.... but i digress. I got a 70 in physics anyway im not that good, but what i do know is that if i get hit by a truck, that trick is not gonna blow up...lol make AV nades do more damage to LAVs, just make LAVs weaker in durability. a milita LAV should die in 2 AV grenades, OR 1 forgun shot. OR even better, just make it so that LAVs tank 80% damage from small arms fire. then we could blow them up with ARs, and they would need to use their mobility tp escape. (note: im not trolling i am actually promoting this) Agreed. Make it so good AV nades are OHK on MLT LAVs and more 'skilled into' LLAVs take a little more work, but aren't impossible to kill however, i want to clarify, that i want to nerf LAVs, but not buff AV. buffing AV would completely murder tanks. I am also, not asking to slow down LAVs. LAVs are light vehicles, still battle ready, but designed for speed. getting people from point A to point B. they should be able to run people over, however, if a squad or enemies teams up and concentrates fire on that LAV, with the LAV hacing only 20% resistance to damage instead of its current 90%, it will die like in chromosome. right now the LAVs don't fire people shooting them, because its impossible to hit the driver, and the take no damage. being able to put fire on them will discourage them from running into groups of people and trying to back up inot them
D legendary hero THE WARRIORS OF LEGEND 644	Posted - 2013.08.16 07:31:00 - [6] - Quote gargantuise aaron wrote: I'm suggesting a murder tazi ender not a lav destroyer, the only problem I have with lavs are they run people down instead of shooting with a turret there is nothing wrong with LAVs running people over, and turrets in general need a buff. however, i agree, there must be something done to end the madness. LAVs, should take anywhere from 80% -100% damage from small arms fire (basically a resistence of 20-0%). AV grenades work, and everything else works. LAVs ae supposed to move around fast. but, the problem is they are too durable. now don't get me wrong if you got the SP and your spec into your LAV i can't hate you for driving around. but, if this nerf i suggest goes through, a LLAV with 2550 shield, and 900 armor will die to 3 guys firing ARs at it if it stays still too long. observe. 3450 ehp LAV w/0% resistance to small arms. 3 enemies with milita ARs, at 467 dps. 467 * 3 = 1401 ehp per second. 3450ehp/1401ehp per second = 2.46 seconds LAV is dead. the LAV can escape, in this time, but if he stays their trying to run people over, he's gonna get blown up. even with 20% resistance to small arms fire. that 1401 * .8 = 1120 3450/1121 = 3.16 seconds LAV is blown up. sems balanced to me. LAV can still drive, still run people over, and 1 guy can't take it out. BUT, if a group gets together, and the LAV tries to run them over they can kill it with 3 seconds.