DUST Search - Reduce the splash damage of a forge guns

martinofski wrote:

Lynn Beck wrote:

Pfft aim assist, i run 100% sensitivity and i can snipe people at around 100+m thx to NO recoil past lv3. We need to make this a CQC weapon, not a psuedo sniper

Not a good solution, remember it's a AV weapon. Not sure you want to stand 20m away from that LAV to be able to hit him. You said recoil, why not keep it for all forge then.

I remember someone was pissed in another thread and proposed to reduce damage to 300hp on direct hit so it doesn't 1hit kill infantry...well, it is a AV weapon. I don't want to shoot my 16 shots at a tank to get is shield down.

I do have a proto forge, with prof. lvl4, so I have been using this since a while now. I agree it is easier now, but you got 16 bullets, so unless you got nanohives, you wont do long on top of this tower.

Since they fixed the mass driver splash registry, it is alot easier to get kills, even from direct hits for some reason.
They added the blast visual to the forge, easier to see where it came from, which is good for countering them.

They will most likely tweek a little the forge damages and splash radius in 1.4, which I would be fine with, but the forge will still snipe 400hp infantry then. Unless they do make 10-20% dmg to infantry, like AV nades doing 0% dmg. plasma cannon damage to infantry? hmm this one will need rethinking if they go that route.

1.5 will be the vehicle update, where they will most likely look at AV weapons in the same time. It would make sense at least.

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The-Errorist Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 103	Posted - 2013.08.15 21:25:00 - [1] - Quote The splash damage of a forge guns shouldn't be higher than railgun turrets. The prototype compressed railgun does 234 splash damage while the standard forge gun does 231 and also the prototype forge gun does 277.2 dmg. The splash damage for it is too damn high! Its not a freakin plasma cannon or a antipersonnel weapon so its splash damage and needs to be reduced.
Forlorn Destrier Bullet Cluster 1403	Posted - 2013.08.15 21:27:00 - [2] - Quote As a vehicle driver and non-heavy player, I have no issues with the current state of forge guns.
The-Errorist Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 103	Posted - 2013.08.15 21:47:00 - [3] - Quote Forlorn Destrier wrote: As a vehicle driver and non-heavy player, I have no issues with the current state of forge guns. People with assault forge guns get on high places and easily kill people with splash damage alone in a variety of ranges and way/situations where the gun isn't intended to be used.
CLONE117 Planetary Response Organization Test Friends Please Ignore 134	Posted - 2013.08.15 22:02:00 - [4] - Quote u should blame the damage mods put on to them then...
Forlorn Destrier Bullet Cluster 1404	Posted - 2013.08.15 22:04:00 - [5] - Quote The-Errorist wrote: Forlorn Destrier wrote: As a vehicle driver and non-heavy player, I have no issues with the current state of forge guns. People with assault forge guns get on high places and easily kill people with splash damage alone in a variety of ranges and way/situations where the gun isn't intended to be used. I understand, and I'm not bothered by this.
The-Errorist Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 103	Posted - 2013.08.15 22:45:00 - [6] - Quote CLONE117 wrote: u should blame the damage mods put on to them then... Without damage mods it still takes off too much HP. Its supposed to be an AV weapon not a AP weapon.
CLONE117 Planetary Response Organization Test Friends Please Ignore 135	Posted - 2013.08.15 22:47:00 - [7] - Quote well the lower tiered version rnt much to complain about ... they r skilol shots ive used them before...u have no zoom... but the players that always seem to be the most annoying would be the higher tiered proto and adv varients.. a reg forge or mlt is nothing to complain about...
The-Errorist Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 104	Posted - 2013.08.15 23:11:00 - [8] - Quote Here are some stats: Standard railgun Splash radius: 2.5 Splash damage: 180.0 Standard Plasma cannon Splash radius: 3.5 Splash damage: 285.0 Standard Forge gun Splash radius: 2.5 Splash damage: 231.0 The splash damage gap between the plasma cannon and the railgun is 105. There is only a 54 damage difference in the splash of the forge gun does compared to a plasma cannon. The forge gun does a whopping 128.3% more splash damage than a railgun turret. This isn't even accounting for the ridiculously high splash dps that can be achieved from using proto forge guns even without damage mods. From this and how often the forg gun is abused to get easy kills, I conclude this.
ladwar Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 1137	Posted - 2013.08.15 23:43:00 - [9] - Quote nice neck beard
KING CHECKMATE Bragian Order Amarr Empire 542	Posted - 2013.08.16 00:00:00 - [10] - Quote The-Errorist wrote: The splash damage of a forge guns shouldn't be higher than railgun turrets. The prototype compressed railgun does 234 splash damage while the standard forge gun does 231 and also the prototype forge gun does 277.2 dmg. The splash damage for it is too damn high! Its not a freakin plasma cannon or a antipersonnel weapon so its splash damage and needs to be reduced. The only Forge gun that ABUSES splash damage is the Assault one. If the splash would be nerfed its only fair that only the assault FG gets the nerf. Regular ones and Breach DO need the splash damage a lot.

Meeko Fent Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 612	Posted - 2013.08.16 00:28:00 - [11] - Quote Does that mean that we need to nerf the PC too? The Large Rails need a buff. The FG doesn't need a nerf. What is with people and wanting to nerf Heavy weapons? Their heavy weapons! They're supposed to be "OP" to small suits! You already killed the HMG, so heavies are now dropping the HMG for the AR, but now your trieing to nerf the only heavy gun that isn't completely and totally gimped? Got a FG problem? Get a buddy, fly a DS up there, and kill him! Problem Solved! Sorry you have to stop running into enemy fire, and use tactics to kill an enemy, but that's diversity! That's good!
Mobius Kaethis Molon Labe. League of Infamy 500	Posted - 2013.08.16 02:58:00 - [12] - Quote The-Errorist wrote: Forlorn Destrier wrote: As a vehicle driver and non-heavy player, I have no issues with the current state of forge guns. People with assault forge guns get on high places and easily kill people with splash damage alone in a variety of ranges and way/situations where the gun isn't intended to be used. How do you know that this is not the intended use of the forge gun? Are you a dev? Do you have some sort of secret channel you communicate with them on? The FG is fine. Even the assault FG. Get a sniper rifle, stack some damage mods on it, shoot the offending heavy in the face from beyond his draw distance. Problem solved.
FLAYLOCK Steve Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 322	Posted - 2013.08.16 03:02:00 - [13] - Quote Lmfao. The forge gun (all of them) hardly get kills with splash damage. Most of their kills on infantry is direct hits, and it's harder to pull off than using the assault rifle. Oh wait. The assault rifle takes skill. Lolaimassisteasystreet1.4
KalOfTheRathi Black Phoenix Mercenaries 572	Posted - 2013.08.16 03:14:00 - [14] - Quote The-Errorist wrote: -- snip of QQ Kitten on Forge Gun Splash -- I have killed* and been killed with Forge Guns of all types. Your assumptions are incorrect and one wonders how you even got to this viewpoint. Every kill of late by FG has been with damage in Excess of 1300HP. Sometimes massively in the case of the Breach variants. They show up on the kill screen and I have Never been killed in Any suit by splash damage from Any Forge Gun. Ever. I look at my kill screen every time. Since that feature has been added FG splash has never killed me. You, @The-Errorist, are mistaken. AKA in error. * I don't use Proto FGs. Yet.
AKIMBO ASSASSAIN Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 1	Posted - 2013.08.16 03:14:00 - [15] - Quote i think peoples problem is that they are mad they cant quickly kill the FG because he is in a high place out of reach of there AR's and the FG can kill them the FG is a anti material weapon it says so in the description its made to blow s*** up so why are you mad that the FG is doing its intended role?
FLAYLOCK Steve Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 322	Posted - 2013.08.16 03:50:00 - [16] - Quote AKIMBO ASSASSAIN wrote: i think peoples problem is that they are mad they cant quickly kill the FG because he is in a high place out of reach of there AR's and the FG can kill them the FG is a anti material weapon it says so in the description its made to blow s*** up so why are you mad that the FG is doing its intended role? Because I guess the assault rifle is the only gun that takes skill. Lawl aim assist! I've been saying that all day
Lynn Beck Granite Mercenary Division 111	Posted - 2013.08.16 04:22:00 - [17] - Quote Pfft aim assist, i run 100% sensitivity and i can snipe people at around 100+m thx to NO recoil past lv3. We need to make this a CQC weapon, not a psuedo sniper
The-Errorist Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 106	Posted - 2013.08.16 05:07:00 - [18] - Quote KalOfTheRathi wrote: The-Errorist wrote: -- snip of QQ Kitten on Forge Gun Splash -- I have killed* and been killed with Forge Guns of all types. Your assumptions are incorrect and one wonders how you even got to this viewpoint. Every kill of late by FG has been with damage in Excess of 1300HP. Sometimes massively in the case of the Breach variants. They show up on the kill screen and I have Never been killed in Any suit by splash damage from Any Forge Gun. Ever. I look at my kill screen every time. Since that feature has been added FG splash has never killed me. You, @The-Errorist, are mistaken. AKA in error. * I don't use Proto FGs. Yet. I and other people have been killed with splash damage a ton of the time (half the time in my light suits). The splash damage kills more people thank you would like to consider.
The-Errorist Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 106	Posted - 2013.08.16 05:12:00 - [19] - Quote Meeko Fent wrote: Does that mean that we need to nerf the PC too? The Large Rails need a buff. The FG doesn't need a nerf. What is with people and wanting to nerf Heavy weapons? Their heavy weapons! They're supposed to be "OP" to small suits! You already killed the HMG, so heavies are now dropping the HMG for the AR, but now your trieing to nerf the only heavy gun that isn't completely and totally gimped? Got a FG problem? Get a buddy, fly a DS up there, and kill him! Problem Solved! Sorry you have to stop running into enemy fire, and use tactics to kill an enemy, but that's diversity! That's good! I'm not saying that the PC needs a nerf, I'm just saying the FG is encroaching on its role with its splash damage. Splash damage isn't important or even useful for AV weapons like the FG. The nerf I want isn't to direct damage, so it wont affect the AV performance of this heavy weapon, just how well it performs against infantry.
FLAYLOCK Steve Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 325	Posted - 2013.08.16 06:51:00 - [20] - Quote The-Errorist wrote: Meeko Fent wrote: Does that mean that we need to nerf the PC too? The Large Rails need a buff. The FG doesn't need a nerf. What is with people and wanting to nerf Heavy weapons? Their heavy weapons! They're supposed to be "OP" to small suits! You already killed the HMG, so heavies are now dropping the HMG for the AR, but now your trieing to nerf the only heavy gun that isn't completely and totally gimped? Got a FG problem? Get a buddy, fly a DS up there, and kill him! Problem Solved! Sorry you have to stop running into enemy fire, and use tactics to kill an enemy, but that's diversity! That's good! I'm not saying that the PC needs a nerf, I'm just saying the FG is encroaching on its role with its splash damage. Splash damage isn't important or even useful for AV weapons like the FG. The nerf I want isn't to direct damage, so it wont affect the AV performance of this heavy weapon, just how well it performs against infantry. Hush. You don't know what you're talking about. Who told you the forge gun was a AV? Lol please just stop.

Thurak1 Psygod9 36	Posted - 2013.08.16 07:22:00 - [21] - Quote The-Errorist wrote: Forlorn Destrier wrote: As a vehicle driver and non-heavy player, I have no issues with the current state of forge guns. People with assault forge guns get on high places and easily kill people with splash damage alone in a variety of ranges and way/situations where the gun isn't intended to be used. Not exactly easy kills forge guns are not easy to aim. Also the splash area is very small.
I-Shayz-I Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic 623	Posted - 2013.08.16 08:25:00 - [22] - Quote I can understand your argument. But do keep in mind that Forge Guns kill with the direct hit most of the time, not the splash.
THE TRAINSPOTTER ROMANIA Renegades C0VEN 117	Posted - 2013.08.16 09:05:00 - [23] - Quote i cant remember when was the last time i got killed by a FG
THE TRAINSPOTTER ROMANIA Renegades C0VEN 117	Posted - 2013.08.16 09:06:00 - [24] - Quote The-Errorist wrote: Forlorn Destrier wrote: As a vehicle driver and non-heavy player, I have no issues with the current state of forge guns. People with assault forge guns get on high places and easily kill people with splash damage alone in a variety of ranges and way/situations where the gun isn't intended to be used. snipers go on high places , tanks go on high place , everyone likes high places , nerf high places its a weapon , it kills , its used as intended
Text Grant Planetary Response Organization Test Friends Please Ignore 98	Posted - 2013.08.16 09:22:00 - [25] - Quote 10% damage to infantry would fix this
castba Penguin's March 78	Posted - 2013.08.16 10:15:00 - [26] - Quote Text Grant wrote: 10% damage to infantry would fix this That would only fix your fear of getting hit by a fg blast. Is a woeful option for a gun designed to be the most devastating infantry weapon on the field (read the gun description). Forge splash should be 10% of the direct damage. Simple.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Top Men. 1149	Posted - 2013.08.16 11:01:00 - [27] - Quote I am amused that someone would claim that the forge gun is encroaching on the Plasma Cannon's ANYTHING. Especially since the Forge Gun is the precursor to the plasma cannon by a long time, has a different role, and most emphatically cannot be used on medium, assault, Logi, Light or Scout suits. It can only be wielded by the fatsuit. I would say that the Forge Gun has little to nothing in common with the plasma cannon, up to and including having a much smaller blast radius than the aforementioned light weapon usable by any infantry schlub. Paradoxical Nature summed up the forge gun in two simple statements. Pros: Your gun is made out of lightning. Cons: You are fat and slow.
Forlorn Destrier Bullet Cluster 1410	Posted - 2013.08.16 15:04:00 - [28] - Quote The-Errorist wrote: Here are some stats: Standard railgun Splash radius: 2.5 Splash damage: 180.0 Standard Plasma cannon Splash radius: 3.5 Splash damage: 285.0 Standard Forge gun Splash radius: 2.5 Splash damage: 231.0 The splash damage gap between the plasma cannon and the railgun is 105. There is only a 54 damage difference in the splash of the forge gun does compared to a plasma cannon. The forge gun does a whopping 128.3% more splash damage than a railgun turret. This isn't even accounting for the ridiculously high splash dps that can be achieved from using proto forge guns even without damage mods. From this and how often the forg gun is abused to get easy kills, I conclude this. You're missing a critical piece of information here - rate of fire (calculated to include charge and reload times). The railgun fires the fastest, followed by the forge, and the plasma cannon is slowest.
Meeko Fent Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 620	Posted - 2013.08.16 15:32:00 - [29] - Quote FLAYLOCK Steve wrote: AKIMBO ASSASSAIN wrote: i think peoples problem is that they are mad they cant quickly kill the FG because he is in a high place out of reach of there AR's and the FG can kill them the FG is a anti material weapon it says so in the description its made to blow s*** up so why are you mad that the FG is doing its intended role? Because I guess the assault rifle is the only gun that takes skill. Lawl aim assist! I've been saying that all day Skill right? Phew, point in general direction of enemy, spam R1, admire the +50 on your screen.
martinofski Rebelles A Quebec Orion Empire 293	Posted - 2013.08.16 15:36:00 - [30] - Quote Lynn Beck wrote: Pfft aim assist, i run 100% sensitivity and i can snipe people at around 100+m thx to NO recoil past lv3. We need to make this a CQC weapon, not a psuedo sniper Not a good solution, remember it's a AV weapon. Not sure you want to stand 20m away from that LAV to be able to hit him. You said recoil, why not keep it for all forge then. I remember someone was pissed in another thread and proposed to reduce damage to 300hp on direct hit so it doesn't 1hit kill infantry...well, it is a AV weapon. I don't want to shoot my 16 shots at a tank to get is shield down. I do have a proto forge, with prof. lvl4, so I have been using this since a while now. I agree it is easier now, but you got 16 bullets, so unless you got nanohives, you wont do long on top of this tower. Since they fixed the mass driver splash registry, it is alot easier to get kills, even from direct hits for some reason. They added the blast visual to the forge, easier to see where it came from, which is good for countering them. They will most likely tweek a little the forge damages and splash radius in 1.4, which I would be fine with, but the forge will still snipe 400hp infantry then. Unless they do make 10-20% dmg to infantry, like AV nades doing 0% dmg. plasma cannon damage to infantry? hmm this one will need rethinking if they go that route. 1.5 will be the vehicle update, where they will most likely look at AV weapons in the same time. It would make sense at least.

Meeko Fent Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 620	Posted - 2013.08.16 15:37:00 - [31] - Quote THE TRAINSPOTTER wrote: i cant remember when was the last time i got killed by a FG Yeah, I would applause the user for valid tactics, if only they didn't use the proto variant in pubs. That's their only offense in my book C'mon, be nice to the newberries, use proto in Merc battles, not in pubs!
Meeko Fent Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 620	Posted - 2013.08.16 15:41:00 - [32] - Quote The-Errorist wrote: Forlorn Destrier wrote: As a vehicle driver and non-heavy player, I have no issues with the current state of forge guns. People with assault forge guns get on high places and easily kill people with splash damage alone in a variety of ranges and way/situations where the gun isn't intended to be used. That's video games on consoles buddy. We work extremely hard to find little loopholes to give us edges in battle. Nerf console gamers, not the FG.
Meeko Fent Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 621	Posted - 2013.08.16 16:02:00 - [33] - Quote Lynn Beck wrote: Pfft aim assist, i run 100% sensitivity and i can snipe people at around 100+m thx to NO recoil past lv3. We need to make this a CQC weapon, not a psuedo sniper Wait, the FG? I refuse to speak of you if that's what your talking about. I don't quite know what weapon your talking about, but I am assuming not the FG.
The-Errorist Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 111	Posted - 2013.08.17 12:36:00 - [34] - Quote Why a lot of you are against lowering the splash damage of the FG baffles me. Sure there's other things that make the FG a weapon a lot of people prefer to go on high and get kills with, but thats what I'm addressing. What I'm saying is that compared to large railguns and plasma cannons, its splash damage is too high for an AV weapon. Making it have a lower splash damage is not going to affect its Anti-Vehicle performance.
broonfondle majikthies P.O.N.A.G.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 167	Posted - 2013.08.17 13:08:00 - [35] - Quote My only problem with the forgegun is the range of it . The sight helps to reduce its sniping ability but it is something you can compensate for. Anyway long range hits on a tank only make it run and hide so a closer range would actually help users finish them off IMO
Powerh8er DIOS EX. Top Men. 44	Posted - 2013.08.17 15:42:00 - [36] - Quote Without the splashdamage the forge gun is almost helpless in close combat against shotgunners or assault rifles.
Trey Hardin REAPERS REPUBLIC 19	Posted - 2013.08.17 16:05:00 - [37] - Quote The-Errorist wrote: (half the time in my light suits). That is ur problem you have low ehp
Trey Hardin REAPERS REPUBLIC 19	Posted - 2013.08.17 16:17:00 - [38] - Quote The-Errorist wrote: Why a lot of you are against lowering the splash damage of the FG baffles me. Sure there's other things that make the FG a weapon a lot of people prefer to go on high and get kills with, but thats what I'm addressing. What I'm saying is that compared to large railguns and plasma cannons, its splash damage is too high for an AV weapon. Making it have a lower splash damage is not going to affect its Anti-Vehicle performance. Where do u people keep getting tha the FG is an AV weapon. I have said this on at least 3 other threads but even if it was an AV weapon taking the splash damage down would reduce the effectiveness on LAV
Sean Mcbride 0uter.Heaven EoN. 18	Posted - 2013.08.17 18:01:00 - [39] - Quote This is taken word from word Right from the description of the game. Adapted from Deep Core Mining Inc.'s proprietary technology.The DCMA S=1 subverts the conventional expectations of what a man-portable anti-material weapons platform is capable of. Despite it's excessive weight and extended recharge time, the "Forge Gun" as it has become known is regarded as the most as the most devastating infantry weapon on the battlefield, and an invaluable tool for those capable of wielding it. Powered by a Gemini microcapacitor. The forge gun utilizes a stored electric charge to fire kinetic slugs at speeds in excess of 7,0000 m/s. Enough to penetrate even augmented armor systems. There is more there but do I really need to go on because no where in that does it say the Forge gun is supposed to be Anti Vehicle only. it says Anti Material....... You got forge gun snipped well damn good shot from the heavy takes a minimum of 3 seconds to charge and on some of the variants you are locked in one place effectively immobilizing you. Most heavies running a forge gun as of late are well part of the FOTM crowd that didn't go MD.
CLONE117 Planetary Response Organization Test Friends Please Ignore 147	Posted - 2013.08.17 18:12:00 - [40] - Quote that reminds me we need an anti material rifle.. that can carry 20 rounds... .

Salt Dog 76 Red Star. EoN. 54	Posted - 2013.08.17 18:16:00 - [41] - Quote LOL Just for this thread im gonna do some FG sniping from towers tonight. Anyone else want in..
Lynn Beck Granite Mercenary Division 118	Posted - 2013.08.18 16:57:00 - [42] - Quote martinofski wrote: Lynn Beck wrote: Pfft aim assist, i run 100% sensitivity and i can snipe people at around 100+m thx to NO recoil past lv3. We need to make this a CQC weapon, not a psuedo sniper Not a good solution, remember it's a AV weapon. Not sure you want to stand 20m away from that LAV to be able to hit him. You said recoil, why not keep it for all forge then. I remember someone was pissed in another thread and proposed to reduce damage to 300hp on direct hit so it doesn't 1hit kill infantry...well, it is a AV weapon. I don't want to shoot my 16 shots at a tank to get is shield down. I do have a proto forge, with prof. lvl4, so I have been using this since a while now. I agree it is easier now, but you got 16 bullets, so unless you got nanohives, you wont do long on top of this tower. Since they fixed the mass driver splash registry, it is alot easier to get kills, even from direct hits for some reason. They added the blast visual to the forge, easier to see where it came from, which is good for countering them. They will most likely tweek a little the forge damages and splash radius in 1.4, which I would be fine with, but the forge will still snipe 400hp infantry then. Unless they do make 10-20% dmg to infantry, like AV nades doing 0% dmg. plasma cannon damage to infantry? hmm this one will need rethinking if they go that route. 1.5 will be the vehicle update, where they will most likely look at AV weapons in the same time. It would make sense at least. Was talkn bout ar's "skill" at range, ppl complain about forge, me with a mlt forge i get a hit every clip, which is 1/3, and i cant solo mlt tanks that well, but thats expected?
Jathniel G I A N T EoN. 779	Posted - 2013.08.18 18:37:00 - [43] - Quote lol a forge gunner doesn't need splash damage with how fkin accurate they are now.
The-Errorist Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 112	Posted - 2013.08.18 20:53:00 - [44] - Quote Jathniel wrote: lol a forge gunner doesn't need splash damage with how fkin accurate they are now. Exactly, thats one reason why reducing the splash damage wont be a bad thing.
CLONE117 Planetary Response Organization Test Friends Please Ignore 148	Posted - 2013.08.18 20:54:00 - [45] - Quote u can nerf the higher tiered varients..just leave std and mlt alone...
The-Errorist Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 112	Posted - 2013.08.18 20:57:00 - [46] - Quote Powerh8er wrote: Without the splashdamage the forge gun is almost helpless in close combat against shotgunners or assault rifles. Thats not intended range the FG is supposed to be effective at or the role its supposed to play, the an AV weapon.
The-Errorist 316	Posted - 2013.10.29 18:41:00 - [47] - Quote Thanks CCP, the splash radius reduction is great :D!


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