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THE TRAINSPOTTER
ROMANIA Renegades C0VEN
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Posted - 2013.08.15 17:53:00 -
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That way you have time to test and go trough all nerfs and if you dont like it you can change your specialty.
The date of respec could be the day when Dust 514 launched or New Year
Just an ideea...
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Pvt Numnutz
Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State
101
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Posted - 2013.08.15 18:02:00 -
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Once per year. That's it |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
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Posted - 2013.08.15 18:10:00 -
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It would have to be up towards a year and possibly a partial. |
shaman oga
Nexus Balusa Horizon DARKSTAR ARMY
421
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Posted - 2013.08.15 18:10:00 -
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create some sleepy alts |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
5751
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Posted - 2013.08.15 18:29:00 -
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One SP and Asset refund upon release of ALL base content (Caldari and Amarr Scout, Caldari, Gallente and Minmatar Heavy, Amarr and Minmatar racial vehicles) <---- This should be done all at once, or as close together as possible.
Add the weekly rollover SP system (or something that pools up potential SP) thus removing the feeling like you NEED to grind out your SP. If you miss the cap, no worries, you just have to keep working at it and you'll eventually catch up. I prefer how Starcraft 2 had their ladder system set up, but it's been quite a while since I've played and these systems generally confuse me anyways. It just worked, and even though it's a high pressure game, I never felt pressured to get my points.
Seed short term skill reversal boosters into the Salvage list and slowly let them into the playerbase.
Keep doing that until you're happy with how they feel, then cut them out of salvage, and switch them back to AUR.
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Vickers S Grunt
Expert Intervention Caldari State
208
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Posted - 2013.08.15 18:34:00 -
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Please CPM guy don't encourage them |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
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Posted - 2013.08.15 18:35:00 -
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Vickers S Grunt wrote:Please CPM guy don't encourage them
What a nerf hammer swings multiple times a year. Most idiots will waste it on the stupidest things. |
Shadowswipe
Black Phoenix Mercenaries
195
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Posted - 2013.08.15 18:37:00 -
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No respecs, period. There is not sp cap. If something changes, it changes, it is just how it is. Work towards something else when that happens and you don't like it. One day it will be powerful again in your eyes. Every respec hurts the game. Those that spent wisely and feel rewarded for saving up the massive skill points need to cap some skills out get diminished when people that haven't ran the ranks and worked up respec instantly and are somehow instantly maxed out in a skill they never touched prior. Put in your lumps and if you are super worried about wasting points, always go for core skills and stop at advanced weapons and modules. Prototypes are for those that earn it and save up. |
Dorvin Loire
Nihil-Obstat Mercs General Tso's Alliance
3
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Posted - 2013.08.15 18:38:00 -
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After six months to a year of passive and/or active sp, people should be able to skill into new things regardless. Seriously, it is clear that CCP will be constantly rebalancing the weapons, suits, and vehicles in the game and after every rebalance there will be an uproar on these forums by those affected. If there ever is a respec, it will only quiet people for a few weeks or months before the next major patch.
I say that if a person wants to avoid something they've skilled into because it has been "nerfed" they should skill into something new with patience. No one deserves an instant opportunity to move their spent SP around simply because they have been with the game for "x" months. If they spend points in something new, and find that this new thing gets nerfed, something else they've skilled into in the past may have some kind of "buff" and they can fall back on that, or they may continue to spend their SP in something else.
What I do not want to see are a bunch of people having a respec and spending it all on the new FOTM en masse. People will find an exploit in something, word will spread, everyone will spec into that to follow suit, the dead horse will be beaten unto infinity, and that weapon/suit will be adjusted for balance ("nerfed"). |
Vickers S Grunt
Expert Intervention Caldari State
208
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Posted - 2013.08.15 18:42:00 -
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Shadowswipe wrote:No respecs, period. There is not sp cap. If something changes, it changes, it is just how it is. Work towards something else when that happens and you don't like it. One day it will be powerful again in your eyes. Every respec hurts the game. Those that spent wisely and feel rewarded for saving up the massive skill points need to cap some skills out get diminished when people that haven't ran the ranks and worked up respec instantly and are somehow instantly maxed out in a skill they never touched prior. Put in your lumps and if you are super worried about wasting points, always go for core skills and stop at advanced weapons and modules. Prototypes are for those that earn it and save up.
+1 |
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DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
5752
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Posted - 2013.08.15 18:42:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Vickers S Grunt wrote:Please CPM guy don't encourage them What a nerf hammer swings multiple times a year. Most idiots will waste it on the stupidest things. Because the excellent player tutorials and in depth explanations that go towards teaching new players certainly qualifies them as idiots worthy of the wrath of their malicious ignorance. |
Exergonic
TeamPlayers EoN.
294
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Posted - 2013.08.15 18:47:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:It would have to be up towards a year and possibly a partial.
CCPs fault for not giving us unlimited respecs in Closed and Open beta so we could truly test everything
I think everyone should get a respec once a year... Then have the option to buy one for 20,000 aur??
1 free respec and 1 payed respec for every year
Until they've come out with all the basic suits (Missing Heavy and Scout suits) |
Shadowswipe
Black Phoenix Mercenaries
195
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Posted - 2013.08.15 18:52:00 -
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I only want paid respecs. I will never use one, but I like CCP and I think this would get them lots of money. People will respec weekly and always be messing up points in their mind and if they have the pockets to shift points, let them. Hell you can sell one skill node respecs for 5 dollars and it would only refund one node at a time and I bet they would make bank off people. |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
7324
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Posted - 2013.08.15 18:54:00 -
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How about a free respec for the first 30 days? after 30 days it expires. |
Roofer Madness
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S.
134
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Posted - 2013.08.15 18:58:00 -
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I don't understand why everyone is so sure that respecs automatically mean everyone is going to spec into the Fotm. I am sure there are a lot of people like me (undere 10 mil. SP) who would just like the opportunity to throw more points toward Core Skills and make up for some silly spending. |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
7325
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Posted - 2013.08.15 19:02:00 -
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Roofer Madness wrote:I don't understand why everyone is so sure that respecs automatically mean everyone is going to spec into the Fotm. I am sure there are a lot of people like me (undere 10 mil. SP) who would just like the opportunity to throw more points toward Core Skills and make up for some silly spending.
Because min/maxxers, path of least resistances, and the sorts are the most common sort of folk to spend money on said respecs. Alternatively we can go back yelling at the skill tree for being stupid and not giving something with every level trained. |
Vickers S Grunt
Expert Intervention Caldari State
208
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Posted - 2013.08.15 19:02:00 -
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A respec after 30 days is not so bad in my mind .
But the problem is everyone else if u give ANY respecs out then it will only create more of this respec hysterics.
If CCP had just reterned the skillpoints that were directly affected in the first place we would not have all this crap .
U give a inch they will take a mile . |
Viktor Zokas
187.
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Posted - 2013.08.15 19:12:00 -
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Once in an accounts lifetime. Since most of the FOTM babies already used their respec a couple months back. We're all good. |
THE TRAINSPOTTER
ROMANIA Renegades C0VEN
106
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Posted - 2013.08.15 19:17:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:How about a free respec for the first 30 days? after 30 days it expires.
that makes no sense
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Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
7327
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Posted - 2013.08.15 19:20:00 -
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THE TRAINSPOTTER wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:How about a free respec for the first 30 days? after 30 days it expires. that makes no sense
noobs make mistakes and hopefully by 30 days they done learned all hey need to learned and can go poof, better soldier while their mind is still fresh and young, if they get too old they are not as squishy anymore and makes it too hard to reset everything into the proper locations up in their brains anymore. |
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THE TRAINSPOTTER
ROMANIA Renegades C0VEN
106
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Posted - 2013.08.15 19:21:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:THE TRAINSPOTTER wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:How about a free respec for the first 30 days? after 30 days it expires. that makes no sense noobs make mistakes and hopefully by 30 days they done learned all hey need to learned and can go poof, better soldier while their mind is still fresh and young, if they get too old they are not as squishy anymore and makes it too hard to reset everything into the proper locations up in their brains anymore.
so your job is to sabotage Dust514?
good to know |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
7327
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Posted - 2013.08.15 19:25:00 -
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THE TRAINSPOTTER wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:THE TRAINSPOTTER wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:How about a free respec for the first 30 days? after 30 days it expires. that makes no sense noobs make mistakes and hopefully by 30 days they done learned all hey need to learned and can go poof, better soldier while their mind is still fresh and young, if they get too old they are not as squishy anymore and makes it too hard to reset everything into the proper locations up in their brains anymore. so your job is to sabotage Dust514? good to know
I can say the same about your opinion.
Let me put it this way.
This is the same mmo universe that refuses under all circumstances even if enticed with lots of money does NOT want to offer name changes as a service despite being asked for 10 years. Think about it and what and how the environment changes when you CANNOT change you name. |
low genius
the sound of freedom Renegade Alliance
302
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Posted - 2013.08.15 19:28:00 -
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never. |
Soldiersaint
Deepspace Digital
334
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Posted - 2013.08.15 19:30:00 -
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THE TRAINSPOTTER wrote:That way you have time to test and go trough all nerfs and if you dont like it you can change your specialty.
The date of respec could be the day when Dust 514 launched or New Year
Just an ideea...
*points gun at op* GIVE ME MY RESPEC NOW BEFORE I BLOW YOUR.....valuable underpart?......SCREW IT GIVE ME MY DAMN RESPEC OR IM GOING TO KILL YOU |
THE TRAINSPOTTER
ROMANIA Renegades C0VEN
107
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Posted - 2013.08.15 19:45:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:THE TRAINSPOTTER wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:THE TRAINSPOTTER wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:How about a free respec for the first 30 days? after 30 days it expires. that makes no sense noobs make mistakes and hopefully by 30 days they done learned all hey need to learned and can go poof, better soldier while their mind is still fresh and young, if they get too old they are not as squishy anymore and makes it too hard to reset everything into the proper locations up in their brains anymore. so your job is to sabotage Dust514? good to know I can say the same about your opinion. Let me put it this way. This is the same mmo universe that refuses under all circumstances even if enticed with lots of money does NOT want to offer name changes as a service despite being asked for 10 years. Think about it and what and how the environment changes when you CANNOT change you name. name change is NOTHING , respec is and this is Dust514 not EVE and Dust514 is not an MMO
SP are not earned the same way as in EVE |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
7327
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Posted - 2013.08.15 19:50:00 -
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THE TRAINSPOTTER wrote: name change is NOTHING , respec is and this is Dust514 not EVE and Dust514 is not an MMO
SP are not earned the same way as in EVE
Care to explain to me why a 4 player game like diablo or warframe or even a generally single player game like minecraft are MMOs?
BTW name change is very important in some games to allude certain punishments of social interactions.
Lets say you saw a guy you hated get nailed by a tank round and you decided to go teabagg his lifeless corpse.
Come to find out he's the CEO of a very powerful military organization and while he normally doesn't mind teabagging he thinks that you stealing the honor reserved for the real killer of that clone was more than enough for him to click declare war on your mercenary outfit which leads to a war that destroys it and you get to be stuck with that blame, "Hey remember that guy named the Trainspotter? yeah isn't he the guy that got his alliance destroyed teabagging someone? he wants to join our group think we should invite him? only to troll him tell him there is a processing fee of 10 million isk and soon as he donates his assets for the war chest kick him.
and as weird or odd or unlikely as that sounds we're talking about the same universe that had wars started over one guy calling the other guy's sister is a tart, a real life divorce leading to an ingame divorce with guns on both sides, and crashing an ingame funeral or a RL person which lead to a short 1 year long war with crashing side getting completely destroyed in the end.
There are names to these stories, and those names haunt some of those characters to this day even.
The Mittani, Vile Rat, Chibbera, Marlona Sky, the list goes on and on. I can only recall one person from world of warcraft as being notable, Leroy. |
Zero Notion
Red Star Jr. EoN.
203
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Posted - 2013.08.15 19:59:00 -
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I still vote no; unless there was some kind of isk to SP conversion that allowed you to untrain a single point of something over the course of a month, up to five points a year.
The nerf hammer sucks, I know, but by now there should be some understanding that FOTM is a bad idea, obviously OP is going to probably be nerfed, etc, etc. The game is meant to be a challenge and reward those that diversity; if we did respecs then the whole notion of SP and why we're even gaining SP goes out the window. It would utterly devalue the time investment, the booster(s) investment, etc.
I think there should exist a warning, however, that once you begin to skill into things that respecs are not an option and to choose wisely. Before I even skilled, I looked up wikis. They may not always be the most accurate and the gameplay will obviously be different but it gave me some insight into what I wanted to do. Despite that, I still have three characters that I explore options with.
All games change. This isn't mean to be a 'casual' game; you can play it casually, sure, but you'll fall behind. You make decisions and they have consequences. Considering our actions will (and do) effect Eve/New Eden, there has to be a harmony between the two games. New Eden is a challenging place and Dust should carry that legacy with it. If Dust becomes too easy it will reflect on Eve, too.
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THE TRAINSPOTTER
ROMANIA Renegades C0VEN
107
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Posted - 2013.08.15 20:08:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:THE TRAINSPOTTER wrote: name change is NOTHING , respec is and this is Dust514 not EVE and Dust514 is not an MMO
SP are not earned the same way as in EVE
Care to explain to me why a 4 player game like diablo or warframe or even a generally single player game like minecraft are MMOs? BTW name change is very important in some games to allude certain punishments of social interactions. Lets say you saw a guy you hated get nailed by a tank round and you decided to go teabagg his lifeless corpse. Come to find out he's the CEO of a very powerful military organization and while he normally doesn't mind teabagging he thinks that you stealing the honor reserved for the real killer of that clone was more than enough for him to click declare war on your mercenary outfit which leads to a war that destroys it and you get to be stuck with that blame, "Hey remember that guy named the Trainspotter? yeah isn't he the guy that got his alliance destroyed teabagging someone? he wants to join our group think we should invite him? only to troll him tell him there is a processing fee of 10 million isk and soon as he donates his assets for the war chest kick him. and as weird or odd or unlikely as that sounds we're talking about the same universe that had wars started over one guy calling the other guy's sister is a tart, a real life divorce leading to an ingame divorce with guns on both sides, and crashing an ingame funeral or a RL person which lead to a short 1 year long war with crashing side getting completely destroyed in the end. There are names to these stories, and those names haunt some of those characters to this day even. The Mittani, Vile Rat, Chibbera, Marlona Sky, the list goes on and on. I can only recall one person from world of warcraft as being notable, Leroy.
i dont care about internet drama , i care aboot gameplay
4 player are Massively Multiplayer?
ohhk if you think so
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Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
7328
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Posted - 2013.08.15 20:09:00 -
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That is part of the gameplay though, interacting with other players. You will NOT get far in Dust without other people. |
THE TRAINSPOTTER
ROMANIA Renegades C0VEN
107
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Posted - 2013.08.15 20:11:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:That is part of the gameplay though, interacting with other players. You will NOT get far in Dust without other people.
i interact with gameplay , we all do
and where do you want to go in dust?
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