DUST Search - As a massdriver useer

FLAYLOCK Steve wrote:

N1ck Comeau wrote:

You people seem to forget that if you miss with an AR, no damage is taken to the enemy.

You don't get a direct hit with the mass driver? No problem just hit them feet.

You're forgetting that at least with the mass driver you have to take into account the range, terrain and elevation. Guess what with the assault rifle you don't. Did I mention that with the mass driver you regularly outlive your ammo supply? I doubt that's a problem with the assault rifle and that it's good at every range, every elevation. Shyt even the hip fire is dead on! But the mass driver is op... funny. Dude you're gonna get aim assist! A new and improved aim assist with! A "fixed" hit detection. Did I mention that atm the hit detection is messed up! But guess what your assault rifle can still snipe.... funny. And aiming with the assault rifle is easy. It takes no tatcis. That's why most ar users rush into a mass driver. They wonder why they die lol, hmm. You rushed.... If a gun need ammo, flux grenades and a tactical approach how is that op. You don't just spam like people think. You can kill yourself! And the farther away you are the harder the shot and probably 3 put of 6 will hit... but you'd rather stand still crouch and fire lawl. GG. cant wait for the new update. When peoole say the AR takes skill im gonna say -cough- * aim assist* lawl

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bacon blaster BIG BAD W0LVES Eternal Syndicate 136	Posted - 2013.08.15 01:22:00 - [1] - Quote Stupid thing is pretty badly op. Once I get through shielding, most things just die, horribly. Damage bonus of explosive vs armor needs to be taken down, a tad. The only thing I can't take out is a shield tanked heavy.
DeadlyAztec11 Max-Pain-inc Dark Taboo 1856	Posted - 2013.08.15 02:13:00 - [2] - Quote Flux grenade anyone? It's OP just because a lot of weapons are UP; Laser Rifle(too much SP needs to be used to make it competitive and really limited useable range), HMG (too CQC for these large open maps, give less dispersion), the Plasma Cannon is fine but apparently it takes too much skill for the majority of people to use :/ herp derp, Breach AT (still crap), breach SMG (seriously anything above standard is a huge waste), shotguns & Scrambler Rifle (both suffer huge hit detection issues). Not to mention armor is very underpowered. Makes you slow as a snail (making you an easier target), plus adding more armor does not help at all against explosives.
bacon blaster BIG BAD W0LVES Eternal Syndicate 137	Posted - 2013.08.15 02:24:00 - [3] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Flux grenade anyone? It's OP just because a lot of weapons are UP; Laser Rifle(too much SP needs to be used to make it competitive and really limited useable range), HMG (too CQC for these large open maps, give less dispersion), the Plasma Cannon is fine but apparently it takes too much skill for the majority of people to use :/ herp derp, Breach AT (still crap), breach SMG (seriously anything above standard is a huge waste), shotguns & Scrambler Rifle (both suffer huge hit detection issues). Not to mention armor is very underpowered. Makes you slow as a snail (making you an easier target), plus adding more armor does not help at all against explosives. Either way, compared to other weapons, it is a nube tube. Other weaps need a buff. Except sniper rifles. I keep getting one shotted by those.
Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar Silver Bullet Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY 165	Posted - 2013.08.15 02:29:00 - [4] - Quote massdrivers work as intended.
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 1270	Posted - 2013.08.15 02:48:00 - [5] - Quote bacon blaster wrote: Stupid thing is pretty badly op. Once I get through shielding, most things just die, horribly. Damage bonus of explosive vs armor needs to be taken down, a tad. The only thing I can't take out is a shield tanked heavy. Armour tankers are getting speed buffs and armour EHP buffs this may offset that comment some what.
Beeeees KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 98	Posted - 2013.08.15 02:59:00 - [6] - Quote The mass driver works as intended. Armor needs to be fixed, not the MD.
Eris Ernaga Super Nerds 421	Posted - 2013.08.15 03:38:00 - [7] - Quote buffing armor wont make a difference since mass drivers mow through armor they need a nerf to there splash radius. They do top damage at even the farthest splash damages which is a bit much. 3 shot by a mass drive is just to much.
Beeeees KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 100	Posted - 2013.08.15 03:41:00 - [8] - Quote 3 shots are 3 seconds. A duvolle downs you in 2. Go figure.
BL4CKST4R WarRavens League of Infamy 1075	Posted - 2013.08.15 03:42:00 - [9] - Quote Beeeees wrote: 3 shots are 3 seconds. A duvolle downs you in 2. Go figure. Strafing.
D legendary hero THE WARRIORS OF LEGEND 632	Posted - 2013.08.15 04:07:00 - [10] - Quote Beeeees wrote: 3 shots are 3 seconds. A duvolle downs you in 2. Go figure. Precisely...lol a Duvolle downs a fully proto heavy, with full shield and armor upgrades, shield mod and armor md upgrades, and complex armor and shield extendes in 3 seconds....lol literally, the max ehp a heavy can have is 1580, a duvolle without mods downs that fully proto heavy in 3 seconds! its dps without mods or proficiecny is 516. with proficiecny its 593 1580 ehp/516 ehp per sec = 3.06 seconds. total shots expended = 38 shots 1580 ehp/593 ehp per sec = 2.7 seconds. total shots expended = 34 shots (basically half a clip) since it does 110% to shield and 95% to armor. a sentinel will survive slightly longer under fire. A basic proto heavy with all the aforementioned skill points and equipment mods, has 651sh/886ar. 651ehp/(5931.1)ehp per second = 651ehp/652ehp per second = .999 seconds shields stripped 886 ehp/ (593.95) ehp per second = 886 ehp/563 ehp per second = 1.6 seconds armor destroyed total time to kill = 1 + 1.6 = 2.6 seconds A proto sentinel heavy with all the aforementioned skill points and mods etc, has 579 sheilds/ 1012 armor 579 ehp/ 652 ehp per second = .8 seconds 1012 ehp/ 563 ehp per second = 1.7 seconds total time to kill = .9 + 1.8 = 2.7 seconds so, in a sentinel suit you survive .1 second longer under duvolle fire, unmodded, with just proficiency. I used heavies as an example because, if it takes 2.7 seconds to kill a proto sentinel. how long would it take to wipeout your scout? what about a caldari medium frame std? 308 sheilds (using the skills max from above), using 2 basic shield extenders, 263 armor. 308/652 = .47 seconds 263/563 = .46 seconds survives .93 second under fire....lol But, MD is OP?

Cosgar ParagonX 4222	Posted - 2013.08.15 04:08:00 - [11] - Quote BL4CKST4R wrote: Beeeees wrote: 3 shots are 3 seconds. A duvolle downs you in 2. Go figure. Strafing. Insanely high DPS > strafing. Didn't someone do the math and showed that they out damage large blaster turrets. Plus that way to bypass kick/dispersion doesn't help either.
D legendary hero THE WARRIORS OF LEGEND 632	Posted - 2013.08.15 04:15:00 - [12] - Quote Cosgar wrote: BL4CKST4R wrote: Beeeees wrote: 3 shots are 3 seconds. A duvolle downs you in 2. Go figure. Strafing. Insanely high DPS > strafing. Didn't someone do the math and showed that they out damage large blaster turrets. Plus that way to bypass kick/dispersion doesn't help either. blaster turret on vehicles do 34 damage per shot at 705 dps = 399.5 or approx 400 without the bonus 10%. i dnt think vehicles got the buff indamage. but even if they did, 440 doesn't compare... a milita AR does 467 dps, with nothing added to it. and MD and flaylocks where OP?
Meeko Fent Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 596	Posted - 2013.08.15 04:17:00 - [13] - Quote bacon blaster wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Flux grenade anyone? It's OP just because a lot of weapons are UP; Laser Rifle(too much SP needs to be used to make it competitive and really limited useable range), HMG (too CQC for these large open maps, give less dispersion), the Plasma Cannon is fine but apparently it takes too much skill for the majority of people to use :/ herp derp, Breach AT (still crap), breach SMG (seriously anything above standard is a huge waste), shotguns & Scrambler Rifle (both suffer huge hit detection issues). Not to mention armor is very underpowered. Makes you slow as a snail (making you an easier target), plus adding more armor does not help at all against explosives. Either way, compared to other weapons, it is a nube tube. Other weaps need a buff. Except sniper rifles. I keep getting one shotted by those. With MDs, you have to lead your shots, account for drop, and have a very limited ammo supply. It seems not very nub tub-ish. I could agree with a arming distance to prevent shotdriving. But nothing more. It requires a bit of skill. About as much as using a plasma cannon with Much lower damage , a less restrictive arc, and more Ammo.
D legendary hero THE WARRIORS OF LEGEND 632	Posted - 2013.08.15 04:19:00 - [14] - Quote my assault forgun does 1535 something damage per shot. but I have a 3-4 second charge up time. Aforgun 1535/4 = 383 dps milita AR = 467 1535/3 = 511 dps. milita AR and 1 enhanced damage mod = 490dps milita AR with proficiency = 537dps now forguns aren't really dps weapons, bt as you can see, its not spitting out 1535 damage every second. and this is an ADV forgun im talking about with the skills put in it. but my forguns, any MD or my flaylocks are OP?
ALPHA DECRIPTER M.E.R.C. Conventional Forces D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 272	Posted - 2013.08.15 04:21:00 - [15] - Quote BL4CKST4R wrote: Beeeees wrote: 3 shots are 3 seconds. A duvolle downs you in 2. Go figure. Strafing. ^ PPL always seem to forget that bullets are quite easy to dodge if you have any skill(or sense). Plug in the number of times one misses and then tell me how fast a Duvolle downs you (I'm a scout so the TTK is even faster then that... if I was standing still). Me vs a AR = me win if the guy has no skill. Me vs a MD = me win if I'm lucky enough for the guy to be reloading AND I am able to flux him AND land all head shots... this is not very common as the guy keeps dodging my damn bullets and there for has enough time to reload and finish me off. The idea of nurfing the MD is tempting but the idea of buffing everything else instead is just plane lustful (breach SMG get only 3.6 dmg increase between STD and Proto. And this is WITH proficiency 5) `Sigh. Just another fun game of DUST.
Mobius Kaethis Molon Labe. League of Infamy 496	Posted - 2013.08.15 04:29:00 - [16] - Quote As has been stated previously by myself and many other people as well lets reserve judgement of OP-ness until with have some hit detection fixes. I feel like 90% of our issues with non-MD weapons are caused by hit detection, and while I could be wrong, calling for the nerf hammer is still premature at this point. Fix the core mechanics then we can really compare weapons.
FLAYLOCK Steve Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 310	Posted - 2013.08.15 04:30:00 - [17] - Quote bacon blaster wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Flux grenade anyone? It's OP just because a lot of weapons are UP; Laser Rifle(too much SP needs to be used to make it competitive and really limited useable range), HMG (too CQC for these large open maps, give less dispersion), the Plasma Cannon is fine but apparently it takes too much skill for the majority of people to use :/ herp derp, Breach AT (still crap), breach SMG (seriously anything above standard is a huge waste), shotguns & Scrambler Rifle (both suffer huge hit detection issues). Not to mention armor is very underpowered. Makes you slow as a snail (making you an easier target), plus adding more armor does not help at all against explosives. Either way, compared to other weapons, it is a nube tube. Other weaps need a buff. Except sniper rifles. I keep getting one shotted by those. Noob tube? Ha. Forgot the assault rifle actually takes "skill to use" Aim and click...
N1ck Comeau Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 984	Posted - 2013.08.15 04:36:00 - [18] - Quote You people seem to forget that if you miss with an AR, no damage is taken to the enemy. You don't get a direct hit with the mass driver? No problem just hit them feet.
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 507	Posted - 2013.08.15 04:51:00 - [19] - Quote Eris Ernaga wrote: buffing armor wont make a difference since mass drivers mow through armor they need a nerf to there splash radius. They do top damage at even the farthest splash damages which is a bit much. 3 shot by a mass drive is just to much. Don't make me bring out another post on how wrong nerfing the blast radius would be.
FLAYLOCK Steve Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 310	Posted - 2013.08.15 04:54:00 - [20] - Quote N1ck Comeau wrote: You people seem to forget that if you miss with an AR, no damage is taken to the enemy. You don't get a direct hit with the mass driver? No problem just hit them feet. You're forgetting that at least with the mass driver you have to take into account the range, terrain and elevation. Guess what with the assault rifle you don't. Did I mention that with the mass driver you regularly outlive your ammo supply? I doubt that's a problem with the assault rifle and the simple that it's good at every range, every elevation. Shyt even the hip fire is dead on! But the mass driver is op... funny. Dude you're gonna get aim assist! A new and improved aim assist with! A "fixed" hit detection. Did I mention that atm the hit detection is messed up! But guess what your assault rifle can still snipe.... funny. And aiming with the assault rifle is easy. It takes no tatcis. That's why most ar users rush into a mass driver. They wonder why they die lol, I'm you rushed.... If a gun need ammo, flux grenades and a tactical approach how is that op. You don't just spam like people think. You can kill yourself! And the farther away you are the harder the shot and probably 3 put of 6 will hit... but you'd rather stand still crouch and fire lawl. GG. cant wait for the new update. When peoole say the AR takes skill im gonna say -cough- * aim assist* lawl

Meeko Fent Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 603	Posted - 2013.08.15 04:56:00 - [21] - Quote N1ck Comeau wrote: You people seem to forget that if you miss with an AR, no damage is taken to the enemy. You don't get a direct hit with the mass driver? No problem just hit them feet. Yes, but the MD doesn't have a massive DPS. The MD had really low DPS, and if you miss entirely, it drops that even more. The only thing that makes the MD "OP" is that missing doesn't deal no damage.
Beeeees KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 103	Posted - 2013.08.15 13:58:00 - [22] - Quote N1ck Comeau wrote: You people seem to forget that if you miss with an AR, no damage is taken to the enemy. You don't get a direct hit with the mass driver? No problem just hit them feet. The AR has 60 ammo in the mag to account for missing. The MD has 6.
Mac Dac Wraith Shadow Guards 135	Posted - 2013.08.15 14:47:00 - [23] - Quote they're getting nerfed everyone knows it.
low genius the sound of freedom Renegade Alliance 297	Posted - 2013.08.15 15:17:00 - [24] - Quote Mac Dac wrote: they're getting nerfed everyone knows it. did i mention the ar gets aim assist?
Al the destroyer The Phoenix Federation 7	Posted - 2013.08.15 15:32:00 - [25] - Quote Quit whining about weapons put your big boy pants on and counter them if you worked on your strategy as much as your crying you would beat the guys with mass drivers straight up!
low genius the sound of freedom Renegade Alliance 299	Posted - 2013.08.15 16:28:00 - [26] - Quote Al the destroyer wrote: Quit whining about weapons put your big boy pants on and counter them if you worked on your strategy as much as your crying you would beat the guys with mass drivers straight up! this is true. if an ar user rushes an md user then he usually wins. if the ar user runs for cover, they usually lose. simple.
D legendary hero THE WARRIORS OF LEGEND 638	Posted - 2013.08.15 21:31:00 - [27] - Quote ALPHA DECRIPTER wrote: BL4CKST4R wrote: Beeeees wrote: 3 shots are 3 seconds. A duvolle downs you in 2. Go figure. Strafing. ^ PPL always seem to forget that bullets are quite easy to dodge if you have any skill(or sense). Plug in the number of times one misses and then tell me how fast a Duvolle downs you (I'm a scout so the TTK is even faster then that... if I was standing still). Me vs a AR = me win if the guy has no skill. Me vs a MD = me win if I'm lucky enough for the guy to be reloading AND I am able to flux him AND land all head shots... this is not very common as the guy keeps dodging my damn bullets and there for has enough time to reload and finish me off. The idea of nurfing the MD is tempting but the idea of buffing everything else instead is just plane lustful (breach SMG get only 3.6 dmg increase between STD and Proto. And this is WITH proficiency 5) forguns are easy to dodge too...Flaylocks were easy to dodge as well. MD are harder to dodge in at closer ranges, but then again ARs are a mid range weapon... mid range weapons arent supposed to be the best at CQC. and remember, with a forgun, flaylock, and MD every shot counts. with a duvolle, like i showed before your average suit of 500+ ehp, dies in 12 shots...lol, out of a clip of 60 you have 5 chances to finish that guy in other words you could kill that guy 5 times over in one clip. no other guy i know can do that. (forgun only gets 4 shots...lol so no other gun in the game with a clip can kill an infantryman 5 times over without missing. perhaps scramblers but they overheat so the TTK is longer)
D legendary hero THE WARRIORS OF LEGEND 638	Posted - 2013.08.15 21:41:00 - [28] - Quote N1ck Comeau wrote: You people seem to forget that if you miss with an AR, no damage is taken to the enemy. You don't get a direct hit with the mass driver? No problem just hit them feet. if the mass driver fired 750 rounds per minute and had better dps than HMGs, then yeah, i would agree. but since, it is an "AREA OF EFFECT" weapon, and an "AREA DENIAL" weapon, with a clip of only 6 rounds, and very limited ammo, and low damage. i doubt it needs a nerf. i actually could use a buff in ammo, and a slight buff in damage. its doing what its supposed to do, deny access to areas. if you run in there and get killed its your fault. i mean really what is the point to an area denial weapon, if you can just charge in with your AR and win. you AR noobs really don't understand this game. every single weapon that is good at defending assaults your nerfed. HMGs as an infantry supression weapon was nerfed, shotguns were nerfed, flaylocks were nerfed, lazers were nerfed, and now you want MD and forguns to be nerfed?
Charlotte O'Dell 0uter.Heaven EoN. 940	Posted - 2013.08.15 22:25:00 - [29] - Quote so flux grenades are OP?
D legendary hero THE WARRIORS OF LEGEND 642	Posted - 2013.08.16 00:38:00 - [30] - Quote FLAYLOCK Steve wrote: N1ck Comeau wrote: You people seem to forget that if you miss with an AR, no damage is taken to the enemy. You don't get a direct hit with the mass driver? No problem just hit them feet. You're forgetting that at least with the mass driver you have to take into account the range, terrain and elevation. Guess what with the assault rifle you don't. Did I mention that with the mass driver you regularly outlive your ammo supply? I doubt that's a problem with the assault rifle and that it's good at every range, every elevation. Shyt even the hip fire is dead on! But the mass driver is op... funny. Dude you're gonna get aim assist! A new and improved aim assist with! A "fixed" hit detection. Did I mention that atm the hit detection is messed up! But guess what your assault rifle can still snipe.... funny. And aiming with the assault rifle is easy. It takes no tatcis. That's why most ar users rush into a mass driver. They wonder why they die lol, hmm. You rushed.... If a gun need ammo, flux grenades and a tactical approach how is that op. You don't just spam like people think. You can kill yourself! And the farther away you are the harder the shot and probably 3 put of 6 will hit... but you'd rather stand still crouch and fire lawl. GG. cant wait for the new update. When peoole say the AR takes skill im gonna say -cough- * aim assist* lawl I will dread this new update... because the AR noobs that couldn't touch me before, will completely raped anything i used other than a medium frame with an AR....lol I want to make a MD and flaylock buff thread, because these guns need a buff to keep up.

D legendary hero THE WARRIORS OF LEGEND 642	Posted - 2013.08.16 00:43:00 - [31] - Quote what i find hilarious....lol is that right now FOTM faggots are trying so hard to "prove" the MD is OP...lol, but they consistantly end up with the lowest scores per match. I played several rounds and the MD just couldn't stop me. especially me shield tanking suits...lol. this actually proves that the MD needs a serious buff. I mean, really i fought 4 people using proto MD at the same time in my decked out milita minmintar suit and killed them with a scrambler rifle and flux... WTF. MD needs 50% increase in ammo capacity and a 15% increase in damage.
Meeko Fent Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 613	Posted - 2013.08.16 00:47:00 - [32] - Quote D legendary hero wrote: what i find hilarious....lol is that right now FOTM faggots are trying so hard to "prove" the MD is OP...lol, but they consistantly end up with the lowest scores per match. I played several rounds and the MD just couldn't stop me. especially me shield tanking suits...lol. this actually proves that the MD needs a serious buff. I mean, really i fought 4 people using proto MD at the same time in my decked out milita minmintar suit and killed them with a scrambler rifle and flux... WTF. MD needs 50% increase in ammo capacity and a 15% increase in damage. MD is fine where it is. Doesn't need a buff nor nerf. Don't touch it.
Beeeees KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 118	Posted - 2013.08.16 01:44:00 - [33] - Quote Charlotte O'Dell wrote: so flux grenades are OP? If its not hitscan it is by default OP.


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