Missiles should rotate in the air instead of heading straight for the target. terrain and scenery would dictate on whether the missiles reached its target as they could hit these and explode.

Also, missiles should have momentum. so if im flying my dropship and i know swarms are on my tail and if at the last second i dived or looped the missiles momentum would carry them past my ship where they would lose target lock

lock on is a lock on unless there is a cover betwen you and swarms

what you want is a countermeasur ala chaff grenade

I don't know about the rest of you, but I want them to apply kick to the user when you fire them. I want dumb-fire back.

I want to be able to aim straight down and launch myself into the air, landing behind and enemy and then knifing them in the back of the face.



But, if I can be serious for a moment -

Ideally, I'd want swarms (assuming time was found to be put in to this) to be shifted to something like an 'assisted lock' TOW launcher.

Fly-by-wire missiles are nothing new in shooter games. However, they're usually pretty difficult to use. While I'd love to see a proper TOW system... I just don't see it happening. So... What I'd like to see, is essentially what we've got now but removing the 'fire and forget' aspect of the weapon, requiring someone to maintain the lock by keeping the 'locked on' target box inside their reticule until the missiles make contact. Losing track/LOS of the target would make the missiles miss, but could be corrected and put pack on course if the lock is re-established quickly enough.

Now, with a change like this you could fire repeated volleys off the same lock, but you'd need to maintain tracking throughout the entire thing. This requires a lot more dedication from swarmers. Alongside this, I'd like to see a missile velocity buff, but keep the damage the way they are. As-is missiles are pretty slow and can be evaded entirely by certain vehicles going at top speed. Faster missiles would prevent this in most cases, and would reduce the amount of time a swamer would have to maintain direct sight & lock.

just say this.. you lock onto your target no probs there but in between your target is a crane. doesn't look like its in the way but since the missiles are rotating one of them hits the crane decreasing ur damage. all because the user was too lazy to wait and get a clear shot. cant remember which dust video but one of the scenes is a guy shooting a swarm and the missiles are rotating

That's one hell of a boast considering one of the top ten in the game is a tanker and has around a 20kdr. You're far from the best

I don't know about the rest of you, but I want them to apply kick to the user when you fire them. I want dumb-fire back.

I want to be able to aim straight down and launch myself into the air, landing behind and enemy and then knifing them in the back of the face.



But, if I can be serious for a moment -

Ideally, I'd want swarms (assuming time was found to be put in to this) to be shifted to something like an 'assisted lock' TOW launcher.

Fly-by-wire missiles are nothing new in shooter games. However, they're usually pretty difficult to use. While I'd love to see a proper TOW system... I just don't see it happening. So... What I'd like to see, is essentially what we've got now but removing the 'fire and forget' aspect of the weapon, requiring someone to maintain the lock by keeping the 'locked on' target box inside their reticule until the missiles make contact. Losing track/LOS of the target would make the missiles miss, but could be corrected and put pack on course if the lock is re-established quickly enough.

Now, with a change like this you could fire repeated volleys off the same lock, but you'd need to maintain tracking throughout the entire thing. This requires a lot more dedication from swarmers. Alongside this, I'd like to see a missile velocity buff, but keep the damage the way they are. As-is missiles are pretty slow and can be evaded entirely by certain vehicles going at top speed. Faster missiles would prevent this in most cases, and would reduce the amount of time a swamer would have to maintain direct sight & lock.

clearly they need to fire twice as many rockets maple 2x the dmg will fix everything (god i hope ccp takes me seriously roflmao)

This is a grand idea. Maintaining sight lock makes good sense, even if you boost missile velocity (Slightly, 10% at the extreme most) to make lolswarms have to work for their kills. Yeah, vehicles could move in and out to dodge, but you know what? Your job is to make sure that tank isn't killing your team, and he can't kill your team if he's busy avoiding your swarms.

This is war. It's about who wins, not your personal kd ratio or padding your wp. AV's job is to deny the enemy vehicular assistance, whether my forcing him to hide, or blowing him to hell.

Also, I agree that dropships should be able to dodge swarms. Missiles turning 180 with no change in acceleration is ridiculous.

I want a dumbfire rocket launcher (Like an RPG). I pretty much want the plasma cannon but make it anti armor and more like how BF3's RPGs are. I hate lock on weaponry and always will. If you want an argument then tell me reasons why we shouldn't have this.

I want a dumbfire rocket launcher (Like an RPG). I pretty much want the plasma cannon but make it anti armor and more like how BF3's RPGs are. I hate lock on weaponry and always will. If you want an argument then tell me reasons why we shouldn't have this.

Drop "effective" range to 200 meters and make it so if you go into cover where the user of the swarms can't see you they should lose target and smash into the ground.

After 200 meters the swarm targeting should be really bad often times just cutting out mid air or crashing into random objects. 50% hit chance
After 300 meters chances of the swarms hitting anything should be under 10%
After 400 meters the swarms backfire and hit the user for being that much of a ***** to go into the battlefield.

I like the op original idea of making the plasma cannon stronger and swarms weaker, simply due to the degree of difficulty of the weapon, and its effective range.

Oh so your saying the weapon should force you out of cover? lol the weapon was designed so that you could engage the enemy armor without exposing yourself. You want to kill me? well then get up that mountain and come get me because im not budging. This is a war game. I will do whatever it takes not to die while making you die as many times as possible. Welcome to the true battlefield where patience and playing on the defense is rewarded and being a run and gun sport tard is punished.

give a reason for dumbfire swarms as well!!
I am opposed because the swarms are meant for AV and not meant for killing infaintry. It is an AV weapon, so the damage of these weapons can be a couple thousand. If you were given the ability to shoot infaintry with it, wouldent you? Also, if it werre a dumb fire weapon the missiles would likely spread in random directions, becoming inacurate at range. Additionally, you would not be hitting at swarm range without a lock. Tanks, dropships and lavs will be unnhitable to you at 150m+ and the current swarms have a range of like 400m.

All of these factors morph the swarm launcher into an anti infaintry, it is meant to be AV. No dumbfire or ppl will use it on infaintry like forge gunners do, except it would be almost exclusively anti infaintry because it simply wouldent be effective against vehicals

Soldiers use lock on weapons. If you hate lock on weapons then you better hate ALL military games. Which means you shouldnt be playing dust. Why dont you go outside and kick a ball or something. Oh and dont come back to dust we dont need your ******** thoughts on here. lol I mean listen to this guy this game is about war 1000 years in the future and hes whining about guided weapons? lol watch this guy say something like this. YEA ITS WAR BUT ITS A VIDEO GAME IT DOESNT NEED GUIDED WEAPONS IT NEEDS TO BE COMPETITVE SPORTS GAME! Dude if your looking for competition i think you need to go play some NFL or NBA or whatever you fanatics call that stuff. War is not competition Its a nightmare soldiers will do whatever it takes to survive a nightmare. Thus the guided weapon was created. In short if you dont like guided weapons then you shouldnt be playing games about war. Its that simple.

As we should all know by now, AV and vehicals are going to be changed in 1.5 and most likely 1.6 and will be changed completly. as evident in this post:




So, im going to go through the whole list of AV weapons in different threads and try to collect a non biased collection of feedback the Devs can use to change vehicals and AV. So remember, what we post here is what they may listen to. Ive started a discussion on Plasma Cannons in this thread: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1145262#post1145262
Also, this link is the AV nade discussion: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=99452 Feel free to throw in your thoughtful and reasonable ideas in ethire.

What are your ideas for the swarm launcher rebalance?
Remember to ALWAYS give reasons on your ideas, we dont want to give the DEVs crap to read. Put up a convincing argument!!

Personally, I believe the swarm launcher should be the weakest form of AV due to the simplicity of the weapon, that a no skill required weapon should not be an insainly effective weapon on the battlefield, like it currently is. However, it should still be able to keep a tank at bay, its AV. I feel it should do the least amount of damage compared to the other AV and a post in the plasma cannon discussion sums it up here:


This way, the shield tanks will be largely unbothered by explosive AV because of the explosive resist shield tanks boast and the real counter to shield tanks will be the eventual lasers and the current forge guns. Armor tanks will still be hurt by the explosive type of swarms, as it is their weakness and will scare them away.
The swarms tracking is absurdly exact but very awsume to watch and needed, swarms would be too easy to avoid without such extreem tracking measures. If the damage is reduced it may be entitled for a +1 clip size as well, if not then the current clip is sufficent. The missle speed, range and lock time are also very sufficent as is. The promblem with the weapon is its damage.
My opinion

Soldiers use lock on weapons. If you hate lock on weapons then you better hate ALL military games. Which means you shouldnt be playing dust. Why dont you go outside and kick a ball or something. Oh and dont come back to dust we dont need your ******** thoughts on here. lol I mean listen to this guy this game is about war 1000 years in the future and hes whining about guided weapons? lol watch this guy say something like this. YEA ITS WAR BUT ITS A VIDEO GAME IT DOESNT NEED GUIDED WEAPONS IT NEEDS TO BE COMPETITVE SPORTS GAME! Dude if your looking for competition i think you need to go play some NFL or NBA or whatever you fanatics call that stuff. War is not competition Its a nightmare soldiers will do whatever it takes to survive a nightmare. Thus the guided weapon was created. In short if you dont like guided weapons then you shouldnt be playing games about war. Its that simple.

Make em anti air only.