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Zion Shad
ZionTCD
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Posted - 2013.08.14 05:39:00 -
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Its what I said on the title. Faction Warfare isn't anything the players are using or care about, so lets just shut it down for now and bring back Corp Battle Contracts and leave out the FW connection. Just bring back the gambling.
Hold on the balancing for now and lets get some innovations such as the Rogue Drones, Open Market, Corp Roles, Spectator Mode, Arena Build and lets work together to make Dust meaningful to EVE.
Thanx, Shad |
Repe Susi
Rautaleijona Top Men.
574
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Posted - 2013.08.14 06:10:00 -
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Support. |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1215
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Posted - 2013.08.14 06:14:00 -
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Zion Shad wrote:Its what I said on the title. Faction Warfare isn't anything the players are using or care about, so lets just shut it down for now and bring back Corp Battle Contracts and leave out the FW connection. Just bring back the gambling.
Hold on the balancing for now and lets get some innovations such as the Rogue Drones, Open Market, Corp Roles, Spectator Mode, Arena Build and lets work together to make Dust meaningful to EVE.
Thanx, Shad Shut the hell up Shad
FW is the only reason Im still with this game and one of the most interesting aspects of it.
PS- I'm sorry.... you suggestion is just stupid.... have a lovely day. |
Skipper Jones
Militaires-Sans-Frontieres
628
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Posted - 2013.08.14 06:24:00 -
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Zion Shad wrote:
Hold on the balancing for now and lets get some innovations such as the Rogue Drones, Open Market, Corp Roles, Spectator Mode, Arena Build and lets work together to make Dust meaningful to EVE.
Thanx, Shad
agreed on this topic alone.
The amount of content that has been added, is too damn low. |
shaman oga
Nexus Balusa Horizon DARKSTAR ARMY
411
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Posted - 2013.08.14 08:51:00 -
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Why not both? FW is the only game mode where i use proto gear (not always), just for role play satisfaction. |
Zion Shad
ZionTCD
1885
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Posted - 2013.08.14 08:51:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Zion Shad wrote:Its what I said on the title. Faction Warfare isn't anything the players are using or care about, so lets just shut it down for now and bring back Corp Battle Contracts and leave out the FW connection. Just bring back the gambling.
Hold on the balancing for now and lets get some innovations such as the Rogue Drones, Open Market, Corp Roles, Spectator Mode, Arena Build and lets work together to make Dust meaningful to EVE.
Thanx, Shad Shut the hell up Shad FW is the only reason Im still with this game and one of the most interesting aspects of it. PS- I'm sorry.... you suggestion is just stupid.... have a lovely day.
LOL Adamance,
How is it interesting to you bro? Tell me why my suggestion is stupid. Do you play FW in EVE or do you just enjoy the set up of the battles?
Look forward to your reply |
Zion Shad
ZionTCD
1885
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Posted - 2013.08.14 09:06:00 -
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shaman oga wrote:Why not both? FW is the only game mode where i use proto gear (not always), just for role play satisfaction.
I like the concept of FW being linked to Dust514 and I do want it. I don't like a Pub match of randoms affecting the outcome of another game where players Join and fight for a team and have another team gain an advantage from Pubby pure luck. Its broken to me in that aspect and I feel it fare to the EVE side that we do not affect there game until ours is fixed. |
shaman oga
Nexus Balusa Horizon DARKSTAR ARMY
414
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Posted - 2013.08.14 11:27:00 -
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Zion Shad wrote:shaman oga wrote:Why not both? FW is the only game mode where i use proto gear (not always), just for role play satisfaction. I like the concept of FW being linked to Dust514 and I do want it. I don't like a Pub match of randoms affecting the outcome of another game where players Join and fight for a team and have another team gain an advantage from Pubby pure luck. Its broken to me in that aspect and I feel it fare to the EVE side that we do not affect there game until ours is fixed. That's a good point, i don't have any EVE experience, i just join FW on minmatar or gallente side because i want to play for my race. For a counter argument i've seen a EVE ship only once while i was in FW, we need connection between the 2 games and it must be bilater, i want to play FW and see a mess of squares in the sky. |
NoxMort3m
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
30
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Posted - 2013.08.14 12:59:00 -
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Zion Shad wrote:Its what I said on the title. Faction Warfare isn't anything the players are using or care about, so lets just shut it down for now and bring back Corp Battle Contracts and leave out the FW connection. Just bring back the gambling.
Hold on the balancing for now and lets get some innovations such as the Rogue Drones, Open Market, Corp Roles, Spectator Mode, Arena Build and lets work together to make Dust meaningful to EVE.
Thanx, Shad
hate FW loved corp battles |
THE TRAINSPOTTER
ROMANIA Renegades C0VEN
99
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Posted - 2013.08.14 13:04:00 -
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NO
FW needs to be increased , meaning finding battles faster
i always join pub when there isnt FW available and i do join FW when there is but its rare... |
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Talos Alomar
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
1409
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Posted - 2013.08.14 15:26:00 -
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I strongly oppose this.
Have you guys heard the tale of Arzad?
Long story short, Subreddit and Fweddit made a coordinated push and flipped Arzad in just a matter of hours.
It's a rather bold, and false, assumption that players don't care about FW. I'd support adding new modes, but there is absolutely no reason to remove FW. |
21yrOld Knight
187.
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Posted - 2013.08.14 17:09:00 -
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Haha no. You are pretty much saying lets wipe out the only eve aspect in the whole game. If corps got their heads out of Pc and dust players were told about attacks before the battles happened like EVE then Fw could become a major aspect. If corporations became interested in Fw and the team que is made then FW could be a lot more fun. |
Aero Yassavi
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1227
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Posted - 2013.08.14 17:19:00 -
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Zion Shad wrote:True Adamance wrote:Zion Shad wrote:Its what I said on the title. Faction Warfare isn't anything the players are using or care about, so lets just shut it down for now and bring back Corp Battle Contracts and leave out the FW connection. Just bring back the gambling.
Hold on the balancing for now and lets get some innovations such as the Rogue Drones, Open Market, Corp Roles, Spectator Mode, Arena Build and lets work together to make Dust meaningful to EVE.
Thanx, Shad Shut the hell up Shad FW is the only reason Im still with this game and one of the most interesting aspects of it. PS- I'm sorry.... you suggestion is just stupid.... have a lovely day. LOL Adamance, How is it interesting to you bro? Tell me why my suggestion is stupid. Do you play FW in EVE or do you just enjoy the set up of the battles? Look forward to your reply FW actually affects EVE and is something for corps with both EVE and Dust players to work at together, and doesn't require that you have a full 16 man team of protos with all the latest FOTM to compete.
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Zion Shad
ZionTCD
1890
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Posted - 2013.08.14 18:19:00 -
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There is a misunderstanding here guys. Let me point you to my reply at post #7
Again, I want faction warfare and Im glad to see you guys care about the conection (I do to). I just feel the process is still broken.
Pointing out the reddits got together and flipped a system is cool, but you know the location are only produced in areas that are close to being flipped and DUST Mercs have no control over where they are fighting and we are still not getting the true rewards that were talked about months ago. This is what I want fixed and at the sametime to bring back CBCs. So though my idea of action is bold I feel that bold in "shut down and fix" is the way to gain CCP notice and have this corrected sooner then later.
Tell me the truth, do you feel FW matches are where they should be or do they need a fix?
Also who and how are these corps getting together in FW and using this conection( I understand how it can be done Im just not seeing who is doing it)? |
Superhero Rawdon
Chaotic-Intent
74
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Posted - 2013.08.14 18:27:00 -
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agree with everything
remember, shad is only saying get rid of FW until its fixed.....
fix the connection to eve if its needed, and increase the number of battles available.
but we do need contracts to b in this game again....... |
low genius
the sound of freedom Renegade Alliance
293
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Posted - 2013.08.14 18:37:00 -
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Zion Shad wrote:Its what I said on the title. Faction Warfare isn't anything the players are using or care about, so lets just shut it down for now and bring back Corp Battle Contracts and leave out the FW connection. Just bring back the gambling.
Hold on the balancing for now and lets get some innovations such as the Rogue Drones, Open Market, Corp Roles, Spectator Mode, Arena Build and lets work together to make Dust meaningful to EVE.
Thanx, Shad
let's keep fw as it's the only gamemode without afkers. then let's introduce corp battles for gambling and small squads. 1v1's through 6v6's. |
Zion Shad
ZionTCD
1890
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Posted - 2013.08.14 18:46:00 -
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Alright the FW voices in this post got me thinking and I am going to spend sometime really using FW in DUST and getting some of my friends EVE side to get invovled as well. Will make a community event to respark FW in DUST and use it for change
Expect an edit to OP and a new FW post Soon |
Superhero Rawdon
Chaotic-Intent
74
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Posted - 2013.08.14 19:15:00 -
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Zion Shad wrote:Alright the FW voices in this post got me thinking and I am going to spend sometime really using FW in DUST and getting some of my friends EVE side to get invovled as well. Will make a community event to respark FW in DUST and use it for change Expect an edit to OP and a new FW post Soon
lol FW battles are great.....if there were more of them available at any given freaking time |
virgindestroyer7
Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION
76
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Posted - 2013.08.14 19:22:00 -
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does it have to be one and not the other?
Keep the corp battles to add more FW content for those people who like them or are RP, and keep PC for those that want to keep playing it.
Or, more FW battles :P |
Reav Hannari
Red Rock Outriders
952
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Posted - 2013.08.14 20:46:00 -
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I'm with the others. Keep FW turned on and improve as time allows. Bring back corp battles as a separate thing. No need to lose functionality. |
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True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1262
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Posted - 2013.08.14 20:46:00 -
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Zion Shad wrote:True Adamance wrote:Zion Shad wrote:Its what I said on the title. Faction Warfare isn't anything the players are using or care about, so lets just shut it down for now and bring back Corp Battle Contracts and leave out the FW connection. Just bring back the gambling.
Hold on the balancing for now and lets get some innovations such as the Rogue Drones, Open Market, Corp Roles, Spectator Mode, Arena Build and lets work together to make Dust meaningful to EVE.
Thanx, Shad Shut the hell up Shad FW is the only reason Im still with this game and one of the most interesting aspects of it. PS- I'm sorry.... you suggestion is just stupid.... have a lovely day. LOL Adamance, How is it interesting to you bro? Tell me why my suggestion is stupid. Do you play FW in EVE or do you just enjoy the set up of the battles? Look forward to your reply I do fight FW in EVE as well. And FW in dust is very useful. I'll admit the current iteration of it is poor, what FW needs is a solid rewards system, a sense of locality so that players dust side can select the systems they fight in, and another mechanic related to POS structures so even Dust mercs can be involved in POS bashes and Hub bashes. |
Luther Mandrix
Planetary Response Organization Test Friends Please Ignore
96
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Posted - 2013.08.14 22:11:00 -
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Zion Shad wrote:Its what I said on the title. Faction Warfare isn't anything the players are using or care about, so lets just shut it down for now and bring back Corp Battle Contracts and leave out the FW connection. Just bring back the gambling.
Hold on the balancing for now and lets get some innovations such as the Rogue Drones, Open Market, Corp Roles, Spectator Mode, Arena Build and lets work together to make Dust meaningful to EVE.
Thanx, Shad I LIKE FACTION WARFARE Keep it and its affect on Eve and bring back Corp battles that don't affect Faction Warfare space in eve. |
Heinrich Jagerblitzen
D3LTA FORC3 Inver Brass
649
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Posted - 2013.08.14 23:28:00 -
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Shad, you can't just waltz back in after a self-reported absence from the game for a while and start announcing that **** isn't being used and needs to be shut down. Gimme a break.
The reality is that people DO use FW as its intended, there are plenty of testimonies and examples of coordinated system takeovers. The problem is that its still a rather arcane process to pull off, EVE players need more tools in order to specifically enlist Dust mercs in targeted district attacks rather than relying on the current plex-based spawning selection we have today. Plex-based spawning works fine as a filler, but isn't the real "red meat" that EVE corporations need in order to maximize use of Dust mercs as a tool of warfare.
The old corp contracts would actually work rather nicely for Faction Warfare if EVE players could put up the collateral and pick the district to be fought over, rather than having it randomly assigned. This would stand as the "red meat" mentioned above - but it first requires some look at the fact that its easily exploitable by accepting the contract with an alt corp that'll throw the match. Once a solution for this problem is reached, its the first thing I'd do to fix FW.
Now there also needs to be a way for corps to have scheduled, competitive grudge matches outside of Planetary Conquest or Faction Warfare - but why you'd advocate removing content that is meaningful to a lot of players in both games is absolutely beyond me. Its a very knee-jerk and insensitive approach from someone claiming to be a community leader.
As for the second part of your post - you casually declare that the necessary balance work (and core mechanics work, which you completely ignore is taking place) needs to be shut down in favor of adding rogue drones. This is perhaps the most facepalm-worthy suggestion I've seen in a long time. CCP has a rather poor track record of rolling out quality PvE content compared to other studios, and I think we're kidding ourselves if we expect any rogue drone feature to come out better than a wave-based zombie-wannabe mode that probably won't live up to the experience of just playing CoD zombies. I think its absolutely reckless to suggest that they stop fixing the core game mechanics that led to the ****** reviews at Uprising's launch in order to chase this pipe dream. PvE should come, someday, down the road, but only after the game is selling well and in a healthy state.
Lastly, no one will argue we'd love to see more economic integration and and impact on the EVE universe, but these are also both features already on CCP's timeline for the coming months. Instead of playing "POWER TO THE PEOPLE" and trying to rally the community to "fight for change" or whatever - you should start by catching up on the conversation you've missed while you've been away by maybe asking some questions about where Team True Grit is headed with these features, instead of acting as if we're still at the point in the process where the community needs to convince CCP to expand the link. |
Cross Atu
Conspiratus Immortalis Covert Intervention
1476
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Posted - 2013.08.14 23:57:00 -
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Heinrich Jagerblitzen wrote:Shad, you can't just waltz back in after a self-reported absence from the game for a while and start announcing that **** isn't being used and needs to be shut down. Gimme a break. The reality is that people DO use FW as its intended, there are plenty of testimonies and examples of coordinated system takeovers. The problem is that its still a rather arcane process to pull off, EVE players need more tools in order to specifically enlist Dust mercs in targeted district attacks rather than relying on the current plex-based spawning selection we have today. Plex-based spawning works fine as a filler, but isn't the real "red meat" that EVE corporations need in order to maximize use of Dust mercs as a tool of warfare. The old corp contracts would actually work rather nicely for Faction Warfare if EVE players could put up the collateral and pick the district to be fought over, rather than having it randomly assigned. This would stand as the "red meat" mentioned above - but it first requires some look at the fact that its easily exploitable by accepting the contract with an alt corp that'll throw the match. Once a solution for this problem is reached, its the first thing I'd do to fix FW. Now there also needs to be a way for corps to have scheduled, competitive grudge matches outside of Planetary Conquest or Faction Warfare - but why you'd advocate removing content that is meaningful to a lot of players in both games is absolutely beyond me. Its a very knee-jerk and insensitive approach from someone claiming to be a community leader. As for the second part of your post - you casually declare that the necessary balance work (and core mechanics work, which you completely ignore is taking place) needs to be shut down in favor of adding rogue drones. This is perhaps the most facepalm-worthy suggestion I've seen in a long time. CCP has a rather poor track record of rolling out quality PvE content compared to other studios, and I think we're kidding ourselves if we expect any rogue drone feature to come out better than a wave-based zombie-wannabe mode that probably won't live up to the experience of just playing CoD zombies. I think its absolutely reckless to suggest that they stop fixing the core game mechanics that led to the ****** reviews at Uprising's launch in order to chase this pipe dream. PvE should come, someday, down the road, but only after the game is selling well and in a healthy state. Lastly, no one will argue we'd love to see more economic integration and and impact on the EVE universe, but these are also both features already on CCP's timeline for the coming months. Instead of playing "POWER TO THE PEOPLE" and trying to rally the community to "fight for change" or whatever - you should start by catching up on the conversation you've missed while you've been away by maybe asking some questions about where Team True Grit is headed with these features, instead of acting as if we're still at the point in the process where the community needs to convince CCP to expand the link. ^Very much this. |
21yrOld Knight
187.
60
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Posted - 2013.08.15 00:04:00 -
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Zion Shad wrote:True Adamance wrote:Zion Shad wrote:Its what I said on the title. Faction Warfare isn't anything the players are using or care about, so lets just shut it down for now and bring back Corp Battle Contracts and leave out the FW connection. Just bring back the gambling.
Hold on the balancing for now and lets get some innovations such as the Rogue Drones, Open Market, Corp Roles, Spectator Mode, Arena Build and lets work together to make Dust meaningful to EVE.
Thanx, Shad Shut the hell up Shad FW is the only reason Im still with this game and one of the most interesting aspects of it. PS- I'm sorry.... you suggestion is just stupid.... have a lovely day. LOL Adamance, How is it interesting to you bro? Tell me why my suggestion is stupid. Do you play FW in EVE or do you just enjoy the set up of the battles? Look forward to your reply
Do you play EVE Pie inc is the third oldest corp and the oldest amarrian corp in dust. |
Zion Shad
ZionTCD
1893
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Posted - 2013.08.15 00:48:00 -
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Cool Heinrich Jagerblitzen bring a personal attack. Since you wish me to no longer have say on the topic Ill step out.
But before I go here are 2 post you may have missed
#14
#17
Im going to get more invovled with it and gain a much better understanding. Then Ill do my part to help |
Heinrich Jagerblitzen
D3LTA FORC3 Inver Brass
651
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Posted - 2013.08.15 02:14:00 -
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Zion Shad wrote:Cool Heinrich Jagerblitzen bring a personal attack. Since you wish me to no longer have say on the topic Ill step out. But before I go here are 2 post you may have missed #14 #17
Im going to get more invovled with it and gain a much better understanding. Then Ill do my part to help
Come on, you gotta have a thicker skin that that bro. It's not a personal attack, I think you're a perfectly nice guy I just think your suggestions in this case are ill-thought and potentially harmful. And no need to back away so quickly either - you every right to speak on any subject you want, really - but at the same time be prepared that if you rush to a quick judgement someone is inevitably going to point out any obvious issues with your suggestion.
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TechMechMeds
Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc.
166
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Posted - 2013.08.15 02:31:00 -
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Agreed bring back corp battles, but fw needs more reason to fight for a specific race I believe |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1269
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Posted - 2013.08.15 02:47:00 -
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TechMechMeds wrote:Agreed bring back corp battles, but fw needs more reason to fight for a specific race I believe Even I can get behind corp battles but FW does not have to suffer or be removed for Corp battles to come back. |
Heinrich Jagerblitzen
D3LTA FORC3 Inver Brass
654
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Posted - 2013.08.15 07:58:00 -
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TechMechMeds wrote:Agreed bring back corp battles, but fw needs more reason to fight for a specific race I believe
Absolutely. There should be rewards for loyalty, and those rewards need to be above and beyond what you'd see in pub matches. I strongly believe FW should be fairly hardcore and competitive, but easy to join and get into. It should have the option to team queue (or not), it should have friendly fire enabled, and in doing so create a high-risk, high-reward option for casual play fulfilling the needs of competitive corps that want to squad up and run matches when they're not fighting for planetary conquest districts.
With sufficient enough matches spawning (Yes, I know this is currently a problem - lets just assume it gets fixed for the purposes of this discussion) and sufficient enough reward to attract those that can take on the extra challenge level provided by FW matches - a major side benefit to fixing Faction Warfare is that it will pull a lot of talented, well-equipped, high skill players away from high sec random matches, creating a separate space for them. This not only helps the protostomping issue itself, but it opens the door to options like a "CONCORD ban on experimental technology in Empire space" (in other words, gear restrictions) without removing a readily-available place for players to go use their best gear any time they want to without crushing noobs and hurting new player retention. |
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True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1278
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Posted - 2013.08.15 08:53:00 -
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Heinrich Jagerblitzen wrote:TechMechMeds wrote:Agreed bring back corp battles, but fw needs more reason to fight for a specific race I believe Absolutely. There should be rewards for loyalty, and those rewards need to be above and beyond what you'd see in pub matches. I strongly believe FW should be fairly hardcore and competitive, but easy to join and get into. It should have the option to team queue (or not), it should have friendly fire enabled, and in doing so create a high-risk, high-reward option for casual play fulfilling the needs of competitive corps that want to squad up and run matches when they're not fighting for planetary conquest districts. With sufficient enough matches spawning (Yes, I know this is currently a problem - lets just assume it gets fixed for the purposes of this discussion) and sufficient enough reward to attract those that can take on the extra challenge level provided by FW matches - a major side benefit to fixing Faction Warfare is that it will pull a lot of talented, well-equipped, high skill players away from high sec random matches, creating a separate space for them. This not only helps the protostomping issue itself, but it opens the door to options like a "CONCORD ban on experimental technology in Empire space" (in other words, gear restrictions) without removing a readily-available place for players to go use their best gear any time they want to without crushing noobs and hurting new player retention. This is a space I want to fight in. I couldn't care less about PC right now. I want to fight for my empire, to specifically target the systems that my corp wants taken, to have more of a say in weakening and contesting systems, and taking down POS and Hubs, establishing militia bases in the regions we take etc.
That is the FW I envision. |
Zion Shad
ZionTCD
1894
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Posted - 2013.08.15 15:26:00 -
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Updated today so Bump |
THE TRAINSPOTTER
ROMANIA Renegades C0VEN
105
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Posted - 2013.08.15 15:28:00 -
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not finding FW battles fast enough is one of the reasons of pub stomping |
Zion Shad
ZionTCD
1894
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Posted - 2013.08.15 15:44:00 -
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Though things are a bit broken maybe we can still have some fun out of it. After chatting with some FW EVE Pilots they asked if there was any storyline on our side and I reply "not really".
How would you feel about a FW event with story/News, the ability to join a side and gain some rewards at the end? |
Heinrich Jagerblitzen
D3LTA FORC3 Inver Brass
658
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Posted - 2013.08.15 16:02:00 -
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Zion Shad wrote:Though things are a bit broken maybe we can still have some fun out of it. After chatting with some FW EVE Pilots they asked if there was any storyline on our side and I reply "not really". How would you feel about a FW event with story/News, the ability to join a side and gain some rewards at the end?
I think storied events with loyalty choice and corresponding rewards are great, and we've been in talks with CCP about these kinds of events specifically. I don't see any barriers to such events existing in the first place (and its likely you'll see them at some point) - my only caution is that I do not want them linked to the FW system directly. I think its important for player-fought territory to remain player-fought, and I'm fiercely protective of FW "lore" as written by the players themselves. CCP is extremely cautious not to meddle with 0.0 sov for good reason - and I feel exactly the same about FW sov. There are plenty of ways to encourage RP and plenty of systems nearby that aren't actually part of FW sov that would make just as suitable a location for a Faction Warfare-themed Dust event. |
DraC0X
BurgezzE.T.F
13
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Posted - 2013.08.17 13:54:00 -
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+1 CCP Give me my Drones!!! |
Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
3603
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Posted - 2013.08.17 14:00:00 -
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I would say the best solution to FW is to give FW players the following.
Loyalty Points to spend on getting faction-specific items (bonus LP for winning the match). Loot drops based on what your enemy was wearing just like in PC battles. Friendly Fire On <--- Apparently this seems to be confirmed or at least implied by one of the devs. More SP rewards when winning the FW match. |
shade emry3
Conspiratus Immortalis Covert Intervention
41
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Posted - 2013.11.12 20:12:00 -
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Cross Atu wrote:Heinrich Jagerblitzen wrote:Shad, you can't just waltz back in after a self-reported absence from the game for a while and start announcing that **** isn't being used and needs to be shut down. Gimme a break. The reality is that people DO use FW as its intended, there are plenty of testimonies and examples of coordinated system takeovers. The problem is that its still a rather arcane process to pull off, EVE players need more tools in order to specifically enlist Dust mercs in targeted district attacks rather than relying on the current plex-based spawning selection we have today. Plex-based spawning works fine as a filler, but isn't the real "red meat" that EVE corporations need in order to maximize use of Dust mercs as a tool of warfare. The old corp contracts would actually work rather nicely for Faction Warfare if EVE players could put up the collateral and pick the district to be fought over, rather than having it randomly assigned. This would stand as the "red meat" mentioned above - but it first requires some look at the fact that its easily exploitable by accepting the contract with an alt corp that'll throw the match. Once a solution for this problem is reached, its the first thing I'd do to fix FW. Now there also needs to be a way for corps to have scheduled, competitive grudge matches outside of Planetary Conquest or Faction Warfare - but why you'd advocate removing content that is meaningful to a lot of players in both games is absolutely beyond me. Its a very knee-jerk and insensitive approach from someone claiming to be a community leader. As for the second part of your post - you casually declare that the necessary balance work (and core mechanics work, which you completely ignore is taking place) needs to be shut down in favor of adding rogue drones. This is perhaps the most facepalm-worthy suggestion I've seen in a long time. CCP has a rather poor track record of rolling out quality PvE content compared to other studios, and I think we're kidding ourselves if we expect any rogue drone feature to come out better than a wave-based zombie-wannabe mode that probably won't live up to the experience of just playing CoD zombies. I think its absolutely reckless to suggest that they stop fixing the core game mechanics that led to the ****** reviews at Uprising's launch in order to chase this pipe dream. PvE should come, someday, down the road, but only after the game is selling well and in a healthy state. Lastly, no one will argue we'd love to see more economic integration and and impact on the EVE universe, but these are also both features already on CCP's timeline for the coming months. Instead of playing "POWER TO THE PEOPLE" and trying to rally the community to "fight for change" or whatever - you should start by catching up on the conversation you've missed while you've been away by maybe asking some questions about where Team True Grit is headed with these features, instead of acting as if we're still at the point in the process where the community needs to convince CCP to expand the link. ^Very much this.
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Arkena Wyrnspire
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Posted - 2013.11.12 21:42:00 -
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Meeko Fent
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Posted - 2013.11.13 00:40:00 -
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Heinrich Jagerblitzen wrote:Shad, you can't just waltz back in after a self-reported absence from the game for a while and start announcing that **** isn't being used and needs to be shut down. Gimme a break. The reality is that people DO use FW as its intended, there are plenty of testimonies and examples of coordinated system takeovers. The problem is that its still a rather arcane process to pull off, EVE players need more tools in order to specifically enlist Dust mercs in targeted district attacks rather than relying on the current plex-based spawning selection we have today. Plex-based spawning works fine as a filler, but isn't the real "red meat" that EVE corporations need in order to maximize use of Dust mercs as a tool of warfare. The old corp contracts would actually work rather nicely for Faction Warfare if EVE players could put up the collateral and pick the district to be fought over, rather than having it randomly assigned. This would stand as the "red meat" mentioned above - but it first requires some look at the fact that its easily exploitable by accepting the contract with an alt corp that'll throw the match. Once a solution for this problem is reached, its the first thing I'd do to fix FW. Now there also needs to be a way for corps to have scheduled, competitive grudge matches outside of Planetary Conquest or Faction Warfare - but why you'd advocate removing content that is meaningful to a lot of players in both games is absolutely beyond me. Its a very knee-jerk and insensitive approach from someone claiming to be a community leader. As for the second part of your post - you casually declare that the necessary balance work (and core mechanics work, which you completely ignore is taking place) needs to be shut down in favor of adding rogue drones. This is perhaps the most facepalm-worthy suggestion I've seen in a long time. CCP has a rather poor track record of rolling out quality PvE content compared to other studios, and I think we're kidding ourselves if we expect any rogue drone feature to come out better than a wave-based zombie-wannabe mode that probably won't live up to the experience of just playing CoD zombies. I think its absolutely reckless to suggest that they stop fixing the core game mechanics that led to the ****** reviews at Uprising's launch in order to chase this pipe dream. PvE should come, someday, down the road, but only after the game is selling well and in a healthy state. Lastly, no one will argue we'd love to see more economic integration and and impact on the EVE universe, but these are also both features already on CCP's timeline for the coming months. Instead of playing "POWER TO THE PEOPLE" and trying to rally the community to "fight for change" or whatever - you should start by catching up on the conversation you've missed while you've been away by maybe asking some questions about where Team True Grit is headed with these features, instead of acting as if we're still at the point in the process where the community needs to convince CCP to expand the link. I agree with this man.
Time between new content and core fixs need to be split more towards new content, however.
New stuff is what keeps people vested in a free game, and DIST is sorely lacking in new **** to do and play with.
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