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SoTah Pawp
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Posted - 2013.08.14 07:03:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:Well, some will blame CCP because of the gameplay issues we are currently facing.
Personally I blame the playerbase. If we had better working mechanics I can't honestly see the competition doing any better than they currently are, or responding to the ass whupping any more favorably. Yea, people are "bored" but these same guys have been bored for over a year worth of beta and they still log in. So clearly it isn't anymore boring than any other game.
When the playerbase is full of incompetent cowards this is the situation you end up with. That's all there really is to it.
I want to understand this better.
So because people have been 'bored' for a while that means they'll simply never leave? Have you seen bad relationships of couples who should of never been together but can't seem to separate? Eventually it happens - but not for a while. Something has to break beyond there reasoning. And this tournament and increased bs coming out of CCP and there idea of progress did it for many of us.
Game sucks and nothing in sight is going to fix it. |
SoTah Pawp
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Posted - 2013.08.14 07:10:00 -
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Che Cortez wrote:SoTah Pawp wrote:Himiko Kuronaga wrote:Well, some will blame CCP because of the gameplay issues we are currently facing.
Personally I blame the playerbase. If we had better working mechanics I can't honestly see the competition doing any better than they currently are, or responding to the ass whupping any more favorably. Yea, people are "bored" but these same guys have been bored for over a year worth of beta and they still log in. So clearly it isn't anymore boring than any other game.
When the playerbase is full of incompetent cowards this is the situation you end up with. That's all there really is to it. I want to understand this better. So because people have been 'bored' for a while that means they'll simply never leave? Have you seen bad relationships of couples who should of never been together but can't seem to separate? Eventually it happens - but not for a while. Something has to break beyond there reasoning. And this tournament and increased bs coming out of CCP and there idea of progress did it for many of us. Game sucks and nothing in sight is going to fix it. Are you short sighted?
Are you? Going to spat some non sense of "But in 2 years!!!!!" Have fun waiting those two years. We'll be back by then - but current game is crap. |
SoTah Pawp
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Posted - 2013.08.14 07:12:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:It's a little more complicated than that, don't you think?
I've got a bunch of free games on my hard drive right now, and they all suck and are boring. I don't play them as a result. This isn't something that happens with Dust, though. Of course, most people eventually move on... that's cyclical and it's what console gamers do. But it's also true that there are a ton of games out there with people screaming "the game is dying! the game is dead!" And these same people say the same thing for years, all the while still playing. So there is a large amount of hypocrisy there that they do not wish to admit to.
Considering what was promised compared to those games and what universe this is in - it's not surprising people put in a lot more hope around here. But it's been over a year and CCP is still working on core mechanics that they continue to break and make worse. They cant' fine tune anything - it's either nerf hammer or over buff.
Enoughs enough. |
SoTah Pawp
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Posted - 2013.08.17 02:32:00 -
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I'm a huge fan of chess - but comparing this to chess in any way is the stupidest fuckin' thing I've ever heard.
To say this game has strategy is like saying checkers is a game for the intelligent. |
SoTah Pawp
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Posted - 2013.08.17 19:18:00 -
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The legend345 wrote:SoTah Pawp wrote:I'm a huge fan of chess - but comparing this to chess in any way is the stupidest fuckin' thing I've ever heard.
To say this game has strategy is like saying checkers is a game for the intelligent. Well what your excuse against us? Were better killers? Because everyone knows thats not true 
I have no clue what you're talking about or why you're beating your chest about your corp when I've never seen you play.
TP spams Uplinks and keeps tight - that's a semblance of strategy - sure - but it's not comparable to chess and an insult to it honestly. |
SoTah Pawp
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Posted - 2013.08.17 22:08:00 -
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ER-Bullitt wrote:SoTah Pawp wrote:The legend345 wrote:SoTah Pawp wrote:I'm a huge fan of chess - but comparing this to chess in any way is the stupidest fuckin' thing I've ever heard.
To say this game has strategy is like saying checkers is a game for the intelligent. Well what your excuse against us? Were better killers? Because everyone knows thats not true I have no clue what you're talking about or why you're beating your chest about your corp when I've never seen you play. TP spams Uplinks and keeps tight - that's a semblance of strategy - sure - but it's not comparable to chess and an insult to it honestly. Why is it not comparable to chess? I have given a detailed explanation of the correlation that I feel CAN be made between chess and dust. All you said in a nutshell is "blah blah blah no". Can you elaborate? The following responses will not be accepted: LOLNO Dust sucks, you suck, the world sucks You are irrelevant Not even going to bother wasting my time, I dont play dust anymore etc. etc. Different games, different types of strategy.. on one hand, you have one brain versus another using 16 pieces to move about a board. On the other hand you have a gathering of 100's of members, coordinating those down to groups of 16 (thats 32 brains in case you are bad at maths), to show up at a set time, press buttons simultaneously and move about a simulated field of battle employing different weapons, vehicles, etc... capping points, depots, laying traps, moving as a unit, dropping equipment, switching between countless numbers of suits to do the job needed. Up against 16 other players pressing buttons simulatneously trying to win the same game. If it didnt take any strategy, then I would hire an army of monkeys to press buttons to beat EoN. Sota, sometimes you can come off like a real dumbass. Stop trying to pick a fight where there is none. * Inb4 dust players are monkeys P.S. I have spent many hours playing chess, started when I was in 5th grade as a part of the "more able students program". yeah, lol someone thought I was smart when I was a kid. Go figure. If your opponent is dumb, chess is a piece of cake. Sometimes you can win it in 3 movs. yeah, lots of strategy there huh pal? dumbass.
Is this a joke? You're comparing a game where it may take up to 5 minutes to make a single move to a game where the only true strategy lies in how many FOTM weapons you can throw down? Or who can get to the high point first?
What's worst - you're defending this PoS game by saying there's any real tactics at all. What Traps? What moving as unit? I've been in tons of high end PC games - moving as a unit is as simple as one person dropping an uplink then not getting killed. The idea of a trap is more of a retreat into allies. Employing different weapons? What weapons? The AR, HMG, Shotgun, MD? What about the other weapons - how often do you see them? All people need to do is spam uplink and explosions and get to high ground. How can you argue against this - idk. Probably something to do with how bad your corp is and how you guys can't keep up with better corps. So I'll assume your perspective is that of a person corrupted from bad teams vs bad teams.
Chess is a game that allows equal oppertunity and the victor goes to the person who can think furtherest ahead - Dust is a game where a bad player can feel good by MDing from a rooftop or FGing from there with no counters but a sniper - and most don't bring more then one.
I can't believe anyone would compare this to chess. This game is much more closely related to checkers. Where you see they make a move - you counter it with simple logic. Chess is you see someone move - then you think 3 moves a head on how to make that into your advantage.
Oh - and LOL YOUR BAD GOML. Anyone who believes this shyt resembles chess has a brain tumor.
If you continue to argue your point I won't respond. You're ML - you guys are just a step up from PRO. So if you believe your words then you're admitting your corp is brain dead and suck at chess. I'd much rather suck at checkers then chess. But that's not part of my argument on why it's dumb to call this anything related to a chess game. |
SoTah Pawp
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.08.17 22:37:00 -
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ER-Bullitt wrote:SoTah Pawp wrote:
To say this game has strategy is like saying checkers is a game for the intelligent.
I dint even know why I bother with your slow ass. For a championship chess nerd you are not very brightl. Even I know how to use dictionary.com strat-+e-+gy [strat-i-jee] Show IPA noun, plural strat-+e-+gies. 1. Also, strategics. the science or art-áof combining and employing the means of war in planning and directing large military movements and operations. 2. the use or an instance of using this science or art. 3. skillful use of a stratagem: The salesperson's strategy was to seem always to agree with the customer. ( I do this a lot) 4. a plan, method, or series of maneuvers or stratagems for obtaining a specific goal-áor result: a strategy for getting ahead in the world. You are a bitter, butthurt, failed at dust now he hates the game and anyone who plays it, simpleton troll my friend. That is why you fail to see the correlation. Goodbye,
Coming from ML I don't know if I should care, be hurt, or just laugh. Glad you understand the word so well - so how come you guys suck so much? 
So - please - continue sharing with us your awesomeness on how chess is like dust. I'm sure there's a ton of support for that idea. |
SoTah Pawp
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Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.08.17 22:38:00 -
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ER-Bullitt wrote:LOL you do care too much for a game you don't even play. Did you ever enjoy playing this game? Aren't there other forums you can troll?
Your tears keep me coming back. <3 |
SoTah Pawp
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Posted - 2013.08.17 22:41:00 -
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Killar-12 wrote:SoTah Pawp wrote:ER-Bullitt wrote:LOL you do care too much for a game you don't even play. Did you ever enjoy playing this game? Aren't there other forums you can troll? Your tears keep me coming back. <3 His tears alone?
Right now he's the only one tearing up. My post count has dropped for good reason - most people are figuring out this games bad so now it's harder to harvest.  |
SoTah Pawp
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Posted - 2013.08.17 23:12:00 -
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excillon wrote:SoTah Pawp wrote:Che Cortez wrote:SoTah Pawp wrote:Himiko Kuronaga wrote:Well, some will blame CCP because of the gameplay issues we are currently facing.
Personally I blame the playerbase. If we had better working mechanics I can't honestly see the competition doing any better than they currently are, or responding to the ass whupping any more favorably. Yea, people are "bored" but these same guys have been bored for over a year worth of beta and they still log in. So clearly it isn't anymore boring than any other game.
When the playerbase is full of incompetent cowards this is the situation you end up with. That's all there really is to it. I want to understand this better. So because people have been 'bored' for a while that means they'll simply never leave? Have you seen bad relationships of couples who should of never been together but can't seem to separate? Eventually it happens - but not for a while. Something has to break beyond there reasoning. And this tournament and increased bs coming out of CCP and there idea of progress did it for many of us. Game sucks and nothing in sight is going to fix it. Are you short sighted? Are you? Going to spat some non sense of "But in 2 years!!!!!" Have fun waiting those two years. We'll be back by then - but current game is crap. That's kind of fairweather fandom, don't you think? And it's that attitude that kills games like this. "Oh it sucks now, but we'll be back in 2 years..." There's something to this game, because I've brought in 11 people in the past month, and they all play regularly. I've only had 2 people say they couldn't stand it so far. So there's something here still, bad mechanics and all. Where's your faith? These guys made EVE, they can get this ship righted.
It took them how many years to get EVE right? And from my year and 2-3 months of being here you're the FIRST to say you have that many friends you brought over happy with this game.
Look at Uprising. My faith in CCP has numbed down to almost nothing. And being told my class is 'too cost effective' to give racial placeholders or more weapon choice *heavy* was the straw that broke the camels back. They sure didn't mind giving the popular classes more weapons and full racial suits.
So yes - I and many others will be back when the game starts to suck less. If you feel like it's killing this community voicing this - then I counter CCP gave us the material in which to hate them on so it all falls on them how healthy this community is. |
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SoTah Pawp
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Posted - 2013.08.17 23:41:00 -
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You know - I'd love to help as I had been for a year and 2 months. I didn't start out as a troll - but a debater who challenged bad ideas. But that evolved the more I noticed CCP didn't care for opinions and every update broke more things then it fixed or added. Throw in there tons of lies made in the 2012 presentation at fanfest - there's only so much hope one can have.
Take it like being in a corp - if one losses too much it usually falls a part. CCP has lost many many battles.
I really want to have hope - I really do. But they refuse to give me any. |
SoTah Pawp
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Posted - 2013.08.18 07:35:00 -
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Heimdallr69 wrote:Baracka Flocka Flame wrote:SoTah Pawp wrote:You know - I'd love to help as I had been for a year and 2 months. I didn't start out as a troll - but a debater who challenged bad ideas. But that evolved the more I noticed CCP didn't care for opinions and every update broke more things then it fixed or added. Throw in there tons of lies made in the 2012 presentation at fanfest - there's only so much hope one can have. . THIS. If you played this game and been on the forums long as Sota, myself and others you'll have seen this game go from lots of promise to where we are now. Almost all the people talking **** about DUST or putting it down for whatever reason are all people that used to defend the game, or just be quiet(like me). I wouldn't post much besides war room stuff but I never got on CCP or the game i just waited. But that time has come and gone for many. Most of all the old trolls/people who cared but expressed in a bad way(i.e beers) all left months ago. Most of the people that bittch now are all people that were quiet and tried to defend the game. Patience is up. If only we could know your opinion of Dust and CCP 6months from now. I was here when sotah wanted the D good times..good times..you finally made it bud
Psh - I didn't ask to join Imps. They came to me.  |
SoTah Pawp
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.08.18 07:46:00 -
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Heimdallr69 wrote:SoTah Pawp wrote:Heimdallr69 wrote:Baracka Flocka Flame wrote:SoTah Pawp wrote:You know - I'd love to help as I had been for a year and 2 months. I didn't start out as a troll - but a debater who challenged bad ideas. But that evolved the more I noticed CCP didn't care for opinions and every update broke more things then it fixed or added. Throw in there tons of lies made in the 2012 presentation at fanfest - there's only so much hope one can have. . THIS. If you played this game and been on the forums long as Sota, myself and others you'll have seen this game go from lots of promise to where we are now. Almost all the people talking **** about DUST or putting it down for whatever reason are all people that used to defend the game, or just be quiet(like me). I wouldn't post much besides war room stuff but I never got on CCP or the game i just waited. But that time has come and gone for many. Most of all the old trolls/people who cared but expressed in a bad way(i.e beers) all left months ago. Most of the people that bittch now are all people that were quiet and tried to defend the game. Patience is up. If only we could know your opinion of Dust and CCP 6months from now. I was here when sotah wanted the D good times..good times..you finally made it bud Psh - I didn't ask to join Imps. They came to me. You were an imp lover
I'm no lover - I back logic and reason and skill. Made me a perfect Imp-canididate. |
SoTah Pawp
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.08.18 17:52:00 -
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Re-FLeX wrote:SoTah Pawp wrote:I'm no lover - I back logic and reason and skill. Made me a perfect Imp-canididate. LOL ZionTCD <3
Gtfo - we all have times in our lives when we look back and say, "wtf was I thinking?" You don't drink bro?  |
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