Nah, I'm willing to be reasonable but christ this whole 6,000 - 10,000 SP a match thing is silly... It's like having to play anywhere from 30-60 matches throughout the week just to hit the cap as opposed to 20-30... Double SP from WP doesn't mean that much unless you're a hardcore Logi player or you're running with a defense marker on your face 90% of the game...

Don't play then.

I suppose you're going thru with the game what I am with the forums.

I hate coming here because it's just full of whining little b'''''' but I'm strangely drawn to it.

Lmfao - have you read any of my previous posts? I didn't get 2,500 likes for nothing dude.

I have almost every skill even remotely related to my specialization at level 5, I've actually started to bridge into other specializations because I have no reason to invest further SP into anything else or I simply can't. I'm sorry, but some skills just aren't worth the SP.

Put it to you this way... I have to drop 1,500,000 SP into Assault Rifle Fitting Optimization 5 to get a whole 3 extra PG from a prototype rifle. You know what sucks about that the most? The fact that level 2 and 4 give absolutely no benefit due to the rounding system. The only levels in that skill that are worth a damn are 1, 3 and 5.

Level 1: 9.22
Level 2: 8.77

Both round off to 9, so you will see no benefit from level 2 at all.

So, having to spend twice the effort to grind up an extra 190,000 (285,000 with booster) SP for absolutely no benefit from the skill as I will be leveling it up to Lvl 4, is insane.

There's a significant difference between grinding SP for some cool new stuff and being toward the "end game" in which you're throwing SP at skills that barely make a difference if any at all.

And this isn't even mentioning the fact that it's the same.... exact.... routine.... over... and over....

I'm physically ill and the sad part is I want to remain competitive because that's just how I am as a gamer. This is -my- game, this is my preferred game in which I want to be king (in my own world) and I've done a damn good job of keeping that edge. I am simply stating that it's bollocks having to do two-to-three times the work for twice the benefit all because Mary Poppins and the Kaleidoscope ******* decided to AFK through the entirety of the last event.

The entire premise of this event's mechanics was to discourage AFK camping and instead it just made **** THAT MUCH MORE DIFFICULT for the players who actually play. I mean, christ - you want to know the best solution? Remove the damn MCCs entirely. Done. Over with.

Sure, having the flu might have something to do with it but making it so that doubled passive SP from battle isn't an option (to discourage AFK camping no less, lmfao) it's practically forcing the players to play the game more to keep a competitive edge.

Do you guys think this way in real life? I mean, you "COULD" have like 500,000 in like 2 years if you worked 60-70 hours a week and just saved up really well. Unless you are already a rich mofo then get lost.

because the thought is that grinding is what is going to hook those players in, and keep this game alive. Like FPS games that don't grind are now dead. Like BF3, TF2, Counter strike, tribes, KZ3 ext. .....Oh wait. Players are still playing them. Right up into their next incarnation on the new console.

What's a sp cap?? Never hit one

Fixed

*wait.. so they put a cap, so noobs will have a chance to catch up. but.. they kept everyone that was in beta sp? *

That's the part you laugh. laugh.

OH GOD I'M TURNING INTO ONE OF YOU, NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.

A few points of PG/CPU make a world of difference. Why don't you start exploring other alternatives and specializations in order to achieve the same reward that you once felt when you began filling out your current concept? At least it might help alleviate the mental fatigue.

Edit: The game is meant to be challenging, i.e; the grind. The benefit is that you are one step closer to level 5. It's not pretty but players who are dedicated are 'rewarded' by maxing out their statistics while others who want quick hits of instant gratification are more spread out. It's give and take.

So a game company incentivizing its players to, ya know, play the game, is a bad thing?

Get out of the mentality that you have to cap, player skill is also just as important, I have been winning against Protos with my advanced gear for a month or two now.

Challenging =/= Grinding. Grinding is the compulsory action for scheduled rewards through operant conditioning. You play because you KNOW you will get rewards. This doesn't make a game fun, it's just like work. You go to work because you know you will get paid.

See below:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbtAn3dic-g#at=394



You're missing the point like a huge majority of the people responding in this thread.

It's not about playing the game - it's a heavy handed way to get players to play a game that is repetitive, redundant and un-entertaining after the first hundred thousand matches. It's the same routine over and over again for the same rewards. ISK and SP. There's no difference in it to jumble it up and make it interesting.

There's no way to keep the player engaged once they reach a satiation point in which they're stating to themselves: "Why the hell did I waste eighty hours of my life?" You hit the skill cap, you invest in skills that have absolutely no real meaning. The game hallmarks on you "being able to make the shot that changes history" but there's no history to be changed. Yanno, unless you look at Planetary Conquest in which you have to have the right kind of gear and the right kind of skill - so it's not for everyone, and even then you have to get past the power blocs to even get a foot in the door.

I don't think I have to remind you that this is why Eve Online is such a ***** for independent projects to get started up in Null-Sec.

What do other FPS games offer, if not less or similar? The issue is not SP/ISK, it's the lack of maps, proper matchmaking and etc. A game is subjective, the enjoyment relative to the individual enjoyment. I like grinding for things, therefore this is fun. I enjoy 'unlocking attributes, weapons, etc. I enjoy designing dropsuits. I enjoy theorycrafting to create a good suit and plot out potential, future suits.

I understand the limitations; it's an RPG/MMO/FPS. It has the same positive and negative attributes of all those things. It's why I don't continue playing WoW or other MMOs despite 'new content'.

CCP is attempting to introduce content, right now, via events; giving out more reward (not always SP) for completing objectives.
Content, for CCP, seems to be in the realm of introducing new mechanics and lore, from what I've seen, but my experience with Eve is limited. Their expansions are different from how Blizzard does an expansion.

Every RPG/MMO is the same thing; grinding.

Every FPS is the same thing; fighting.

Content will take the form of events, new mechanics/large updates and player driven battles as PC expands.

As an MMO, there is going to be emergent game play - this is important for CCP and what makes Eve successful to some degree. The players are given a sandbox, some tools and their own human nature with little in the way of moral reigns to mechanically limit them.

It's not that I disagree with you but playing Halo, CoD or BF it inevitably becomes the same thing, after a while. If you enjoy FPS and seeing new FPS content then certainly, those games are going to be more flavorful for you. Dust is not just an FPS and is an experiment in blending the genres. Clearly, it has it faults. A lot of them. However, you missed the point; you don't like it for the limitations you experience as not being rewarding or enjoyable. For me, I find those same things enjoyable. I enjoy looking forward to opening up multiple proto suits, experimenting with different setups, etc. Even if I end up playing casually, it's still rewarding for the time I invest into it and that is what is most important for every gamer.

Not everyone is going to agree on what makes a game fun for them.

Those were the good days