No fan of monopolies, but HTFU bro.

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Getting rid of PC is just going backwards in development, its a good idea in theory, it just needs some iterations is all.

No, letting one group control PC and keep all that money is backwards progress

Yes, PC has its problems (that are being worked on by the way) but these problems are hardly 'ruining the whole game'. If you don't like PC, you don't have to play it. All they're getting from doing it is isk and it's not like that's hard for anyone to get millions if by running a couple of hours in starter/MLT gear.

The rate that the few are gaining isk does make it effect the game greatley. I dont see how thats despuitable. When you can see a name and know that this group is going to proto stomp pub matches everytime you see them effects the game

The rate that the few are gaining isk does make it effect the game greatley. I dont see how thats despuitable. When you can see a name and know that this group is going to proto stomp pub matches everytime you see them effects the game

Yes, PC has its problems (that are being worked on by the way) but these problems are hardly 'ruining the whole game'. If you don't like PC, you don't have to play it. All they're getting from doing it is isk and it's not like that's hard for anyone to get millions if by running a couple of hours in starter/MLT gear.

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Thanks djanho

Your name just screams alt.

Grow a pair before posting anymore useless blather.

Well, we shouldn't get rid of PC just because one alliance controls the majority of it. If you're tired of the current situation just get some corps together and attack them.

However we should probably get rid of PC, or at least change it for other reasons. Passive ISK is stupid and shouldn't exist (ever again in any form), and the rewards for winning aren't enough imo. There should only be a few hours of warning before an attack instead of the minimum of 24 hours there currently is.

In the games current state.. PC is an economy destabalizer

going to be interesting if they ever do give us a player ran industry and market.. wonder who will be the controllers of it, I wonder I wonder..

we got SINGLE players with over a billion in isk, with nothing to motivate them on spending large amounts of it.. and it will only get higher

ruin the economy of this game

LoL considering your allliance quit because the game felt to much like work thats an odd statement. Without the 24 hour warning corps would have to have 16 players on this game at all times, making this game feel even more like a chore. Want to sleep... nope because you have to have 16 people on at 4am just in case someone attacks your district.

The chromosome salvage refund hurt the game much more than PC ever will.

Like i said, the system just needs iteration is all. It's a cool idea in theory and makes this game unique from other lobby shooters.

If TTG doesn't have time to work on PC then maybe adjustments to the passive income are necessary until they do.

Se\7eN has faced all sorts of different corps in PC; when we play mid to low tiered corps, our bullets register just fine. However, when we play the high tiered corps, we all of a sudden have hit detection issues. For example, I have 16 mil SP, have a fully equipped proto ck.0 with Duvolle--all the bells and whistles--yet, I will go 0-10 and cause little to no damage in one-on-one situations. I'm not the best FPS, but I'm okay. You would think I could at least get passed shields as they rip through over 800 of my HP.

I'm not saying people are cheating; let's get that straight. What I'm saying is something isn't right on PC. I have no idea how to fix anything, either. Everything I can think of, other than a complete reset of ISK and PC (which I'm not for), doesn't fix the issues. Sorry for the vent, but the game is starting to frustrate me.

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Secondly I never said the reinforcement window should be scrapped. Each district would still have their window, but attacks could be scheduled up until a few hours before the window and the attack would then happen the same day. If they attacked 30 minutes before the window the attack would happen the next day.

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kiarbanor - what you're describing is the massive difficulties caused by hosting cross-continental matches on a single server and CCP knows there are problems with this and hopefully are sorting something pretty solid out to fix the situation. Lag, hit detection and FPS are gradually getting better but they've still got a ways to go on the aforementioned PC battles.

The isk issues are really quite unrelated though and no reason to 'scrap PC'. Getting rid of it will just remove stuff from the game and provide no improvement to anything - what needs to be done is that PC is further iterated on and improved to make it more fun and meaningful. Fortunately CCP acknowledges this and have told us they are working on it - hopefully it doesn't take too much longer...

The game has no economy to destabilize.

When you throw the broken mechanics on top of this, the game will not survive. PC has been a hit detection mess from the start. Guys will wear the exact same fittings/gear as these "top corps," but somehow bullets don't count the same. It's like these corps know something that other people don't.

Se\7eN has faced all sorts of different corps in PC; when we play mid to low tiered corps, our bullets register just fine. However, when we play the high tiered corps, we all of a sudden have hit detection issues. For example, I have 16 mil SP, have a fully equipped proto ck.0 with Duvolle--all the bells and whistles--yet, I will go 0-10 and cause little to no damage in one-on-one situations. I'm not the best FPS, but I'm okay. You would think I could at least get passed shields as they rip through over 800 of my HP.

I'm not saying people are cheating; let's get that straight. What I'm saying is something isn't right on PC. I have no idea how to fix anything, either. Everything I can think of, other than a complete reset of ISK and PC (which I'm not for), doesn't fix the issues. Sorry for the vent, but the game is starting to frustrate me.

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Its just better strafing, and you are probably seeing more and more people use m/kb as you face higher and higher tier corps. M/KB gives you the 'instant strafe' advantage where its instant between A and D but controllers have travel time for joystick movement

Who needs hit detection when we have mass drivers though? **** you don't need to aim those at all, they are like swarms for infantry.

LoL considering your allliance quit because the game felt to much like work thats an odd statement. Without the 24 hour warning corps would have to have 16 players on this game at all times, making this game feel even more like a chore. Want to sleep... nope because you have to have 16 people on at 4am just in case someone attacks your district.

Its a useless, broken system where the biggest exploiters and half assed players like eon can go and ruin the economy of this game for everyone. Several posts on this months ago but everyone acts like the self satisfyed ass that they are and look where its gotten the game. Just awful.

Again, you guys might be right. But they need to fix strafing then. If it's m/kb, then they need to fix it. Right now, if what you and Deluxe are saying is true, there is no way for joystick mercs to compete with m/kb, unless they pull out noob tubes, which I refuse to do.

Honestly, Se\7eN has some very talented console FPS's. but when we go up against the top corps, we look like we picked the game up yesterday. It's not SP; it's not gear or fittings. It's either server issues or strafing, like what you're saying.

Again, you guys might be right. But they need to fix strafing then. If it's m/kb, then they need to fix it. Right now, if what you and Deluxe are saying is true, there is no way for joystick mercs to compete with m/kb, unless they pull out noob tubes, which I refuse to do.

Honestly, Se\7eN has some very talented console FPS's. but when we go up against the top corps, we look like we picked the game up yesterday. It's not SP; it's not gear or fittings. It's either server issues or strafing, like what you're saying.

LoL considering your allliance quit because the game felt to much like work thats an odd statement. Without the 24 hour warning corps would have to have 16 players on this game at all times, making this game feel even more like a chore. Want to sleep... nope because you have to have 16 people on at 4am just in case someone attacks your district.

Its honestly not that bad, I don't actually notice mkb vs ds3 at all, and i've had to change how I play this game to compensate for how strafing works.

The biggest issue with PC is that it suffers from core balance issues which are exacerbated by frame rate issues. I will say, the CQC style of play in PC is completely different from pubs, it took me weeks of practice to get good at how to play CQC in PC and i'm still not all that great. I play logi (true logi) in PC and against good corps I struggle to break a 1.0 kd. You just need practice with how to play in PC, which is something that a corp like TP who is constantly looking for more battles is getting that many other corps are not. You can't play PC matches like you play pub matches, and I think that shift in mindset is very difficult for a lot of players and corps, hence why they are leaving. Also people get really butthurt when they lose a match... You just gotta understand, you simply cannot and should not win them all. TP is NOT undefeated or invincible in PC, I think we can just bear our losses better than other corps can.

Maybe you're right, Deluxe. If so, though, then they have to do something about strafing. What some mercs can do is simply unnatural.

Its a useless, broken system where the biggest exploiters and half assed players like eon can go and ruin the economy of this game for everyone. Several posts on this months ago but everyone acts like the self satisfyed ass that they are and look where its gotten the game. Just awful.

If he'd actually read what was said by us in that thread, most of the conversation was about how PC was liable to being exploited by corps using alt corps to self-lock and gain unlimited isk for zero risk and minimal effort. At the end of that, Fox Four eventually announced that they were removing the clone pack restriction, which was entirely against every point I made.

What we discussed was the system CCP had proposed to us, not what it should or shouldn't be. We did not make the system but we went through what they gave us and analysed it very thoroughly. It's not our fault that CCP didn't design new maps or game modes to make PC more meaningful.

PC is still a good concept at its heart - the idea of our battles meaning something lie at the heart of why many people came to this game in the first place. The biggest problem is that it currently means nothing. The problems listed in this thread do exist but are all in all irrelevant to the big picture.

I'd bet that CCP will wipe everyone's (and every corps') ISK and assets before merging economies.

I'd bet that CCP will wipe everyone's (and every corps') ISK and assets before merging economies.

I'd bet that CCP will wipe everyone's (and every corps') ISK and assets before merging economies.

For sure.

They'll do it Eve side as well just to keep it all balanced.