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Cyrille Fodeux DUST University Ivy League 52	Posted - 2013.08.10 21:31:00 - [1] - Quote It's ridiculous that in one game you have two different skill sytems. We have the system with MLT, STD, ADV and PRO for infantry gear and vehicle modules and we have the EVE system with Techs for vehicle chassis. Many of you may say bring ADV and PRO vehicles to the game because it's less work and easier but hell no, don't do that! You see what PRO gear does for infantry. Everyone is complaining about Proto stomping and they have only a few hundred HP more. You would see tanks with over 20k HP that run around with being scratched by anyone. If you would make them only a little bit better than STD tanks nobody would use them. If you'd remove ADV and PRO gear and make the system work like EVE with various different suits on Tech 1 and a few specialized suits on Tech 2 it would solve a lot of problems. So would Proto stomping just vanish in all its ways and people would use primarily the basic frames and thus you would have to be really bad to make loss. To create a bit more of variety the different version should be really different (but equally strong) in slot and stat layout at first and later should get a different skin too. Each variant should get more bonuses so again more diversity is added. The Tech 2 colourings should be like in EVE dependend on the manufacturer. The price tag of Tech 2 gear should be quite a bit higher than for basic frames. Most of the Tech 1 gear would be available already at level 1 or 2 so the skills could have a higher multiplier and higher bonuses. For weapons and turrets there should be different ammo and subsystems instead of the variants. Maybe some variants could still be in the game as prebuild AUR items like the promoted dropsuits. TL;DR Make the gear level system more like EVE. Remove ADV and PRO gear and add Tech 2 and 3 items instead. All that might sound drastically but it has been working in EVE for over a decade now and the game is just awesome. These changes would make the game easier for beginners and more casual friendly but it would be harder to master. Cheers, Cy
gbghg L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION 3059	Posted - 2013.08.10 21:35:00 - [2] - Quote +1 to tiercide.
Stefan Stahl Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 189	Posted - 2013.08.10 21:43:00 - [3] - Quote Always tiericide. Forever.
Mobius Kaethis Molon Labe. League of Infamy 450	Posted - 2013.08.10 22:00:00 - [4] - Quote I love your enthusiasm but I really don't think it would with the items currently in the game to reformat the suits to be more inline with the T1, T2, T3, and faction ships and in Eve. There simply isn't the variety of equipment needed to make such a structure viable. For example, in Eve you have ships devoted to e-war which doesn't exist in Dust, neither does industry (no mining yet), and there is no mechanic for exploration. Taking out these T1 types and you are left with the 4 current Dust Suit types (scouts, logis, heavies, assaults). Now only having 4 suits per race (assuming all of them could be implemented right away) would be pretty limiting for the average FPS player. Where would the progression be after all? How would you feel like you were being rewarded for spending so much time in game. More importantly, how would you prove your vet status to others without your shiny black proto gear. Additionally, since T2 (let alone faction) gear and the associated skills would take more time to implement into the game. Using your restructuring of the game you're looking at a long boring grind with even less variety than we have now. I lke what you are trying to say but it just isn't practical at this point in time with the limited equipment and associated roles.
Aizen Intiki Ghost Wolf Industries Alpha Wolf Pack 384	Posted - 2013.08.10 22:00:00 - [5] - Quote Hell yea cuz tiercide is fun :)
BL4CKST4R WarRavens League of Infamy 1024	Posted - 2013.08.10 23:09:00 - [6] - Quote gbghg wrote: +1 to tiercide. OP explained tiercide a helluva lot better, I had to read the tiercide thread twice to get it!
gargantuise aaron Sanguine Knights 20	Posted - 2013.08.10 23:17:00 - [7] - Quote Proto gear doesnt cause proto stomping, people good enough to use it correctly do, some people are just good and only die maybe 3 times per match, and that means they can effectivly use proto gear others die,6 times per match (me) if I tried using proto id dig a trench of dept I profit the most using full std because that's what I can effectively make use of and afford, keep adv and proto
gbghg L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION 3063	Posted - 2013.08.10 23:43:00 - [8] - Quote BL4CKST4R wrote: gbghg wrote: +1 to tiercide. OP explained tiercide a helluva lot better, I had to read the tiercide thread twice to get it! Sorry about that, it kinda started off as a rant and then steadily devolved into something inviting discussion. It did its job however, it got people thinking about the idea of tiercide in dust and the problems tiered gear is creating. Also to mobius, go look at cat Merc's thread, it's titled "cat Merc's invasion plan..... Guide to save dust" it gives a much better in detail example of how the new gear would work out.
CLONE117 Planetary Response Organization Test Friends Please Ignore 87	Posted - 2013.08.11 00:08:00 - [9] - Quote cant we just leave everything the same and add a god dang gear restricition? really how hard can it be to add a gear restricition to this dang game for pub matches?
Cyrille Fodeux DUST University Ivy League 54	Posted - 2013.08.11 08:25:00 - [10] - Quote CLONE117 wrote: cant we just leave everything the same and add a god dang gear restricition? really how hard can it be to add a gear restricition to this dang game for pub matches? Gear restriction is not the solution. If DUST ever becomes a sandbox this would be against the sandbox principle.

KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 5366	Posted - 2013.08.11 08:48:00 - [11] - Quote I would only support this if its MLT and and STD that are removed, the fitting slots of ADV and PRO give the sort of freedom of customization that make Dust special. Just rename ADV and PRO to MLT and STD. AV gear should remain just the current MLT and STD though.
Mobius Kaethis Molon Labe. League of Infamy 461	Posted - 2013.08.11 09:06:00 - [12] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: I would only support this if its MLT and and STD that are removed, the fitting slots of ADV and PRO give the sort of freedom of customization that make Dust special. Just rename ADV and PRO to MLT and STD. AV gear should remain just the current MLT and STD though. ??? Wait a minute that is being extremely harsh on the AV players. If everything were to get a boost to ADV and Proto only why should AV get the shaft?
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 5367	Posted - 2013.08.11 09:24:00 - [13] - Quote Mobius Kaethis wrote: KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: I would only support this if its MLT and and STD that are removed, the fitting slots of ADV and PRO give the sort of freedom of customization that make Dust special. Just rename ADV and PRO to MLT and STD. AV gear should remain just the current MLT and STD though. ??? Wait a minute that is being extremely harsh on the AV players. If everything were to get a boost to ADV and Proto only why should AV get the shaft? ADV and PRO AV gear is too strong for current vehicles IMO. AV doesn't have to compete with other infantry equipment, they have to compete with vehicles; vehicles already have no tiers.
Cyrille Fodeux DUST University Ivy League 54	Posted - 2013.08.11 09:43:00 - [14] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Mobius Kaethis wrote: KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: I would only support this if its MLT and and STD that are removed, the fitting slots of ADV and PRO give the sort of freedom of customization that make Dust special. Just rename ADV and PRO to MLT and STD. AV gear should remain just the current MLT and STD though. ??? Wait a minute that is being extremely harsh on the AV players. If everything were to get a boost to ADV and Proto only why should AV get the shaft? ADV and PRO AV gear is too strong for current vehicles IMO. AV doesn't have to compete with other infantry equipment, they have to compete with vehicles; vehicles already have no tiers. Basicly the Tech 1 gear would not be the current STD gear but new gear with new slot layout and stats so they still have enough freedom to customize it. Since there are different variants of each racial suit there would be some suits with more slots and others with more ewar capabilities or HP.
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 1149	Posted - 2013.08.11 10:19:00 - [15] - Quote I suggested this too Here the link- https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=97891 My ideal model would be all tech 1's have standardised slot lay outs E.g- Logi and Scout 6 with Heavies and Assaults with 5. And the only diff between Tech 1 and 2 being slight stat increases and the current bonus system.
Cyrille Fodeux DUST University Ivy League 54	Posted - 2013.08.11 10:51:00 - [16] - Quote True Adamance wrote: I suggested this too Here the link- https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=97891 My ideal model would be all tech 1's have standardised slot lay outs E.g- Logi and Scout 6 with Heavies and Assaults with 5. And the only diff between Tech 1 and 2 being slight stat increases and the current bonus system. Tech 1 in EVE is pretty standard but they still have different stats. Tech 2 is equivalent to specializations in DUST. They should be different in most ways so that they really fit roles.
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 1149	Posted - 2013.08.11 11:12:00 - [17] - Quote Cyrille Fodeux wrote: True Adamance wrote: I suggested this too Here the link- https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=97891 My ideal model would be all tech 1's have standardised slot lay outs E.g- Logi and Scout 6 with Heavies and Assaults with 5. And the only diff between Tech 1 and 2 being slight stat increases and the current bonus system. Tech 1 in EVE is pretty standard but they still have different stats. Tech 2 is equivalent to specializations in DUST. They should be different in most ways so that they really fit roles. I know I play both games. All Tech 2 really is is more specialised frames of the same ships designed to be use in different ways.
Cyrille Fodeux DUST University Ivy League 54	Posted - 2013.08.11 14:14:00 - [18] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Cyrille Fodeux wrote: True Adamance wrote: I suggested this too Here the link- https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=97891 My ideal model would be all tech 1's have standardised slot lay outs E.g- Logi and Scout 6 with Heavies and Assaults with 5. And the only diff between Tech 1 and 2 being slight stat increases and the current bonus system. Tech 1 in EVE is pretty standard but they still have different stats. Tech 2 is equivalent to specializations in DUST. They should be different in most ways so that they really fit roles. I know I play both games. All Tech 2 really is is more specialised frames of the same ships designed to be use in different ways. And that's what it should be like. The Tech system should be more or less the same as EVE has.
Cyrille Fodeux DUST University Ivy League 56	Posted - 2013.08.12 07:20:00 - [19] - Quote Bump
Vulcanus Lightbringer Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic 75	Posted - 2013.08.12 09:08:00 - [20] - Quote T1: Light, Medium, Heavy T2: Scout, Pilot, Assault, Logistics, Commando, Sentinel etc. I support this.

Catina Mercia Commando Perkone Caldari State 74	Posted - 2013.08.12 12:21:00 - [21] - Quote https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=97244 Cat I'm a kitty cat And I dance dance dance And I dance dance dance
Cyrille Fodeux DUST University Ivy League 57	Posted - 2013.08.13 17:31:00 - [22] - Quote Catina Mercia wrote: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=97244 Cat I'm a kitty cat And I dance dance dance And I dance dance dance Kinda like this but T2 should be really specialized not only better.


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