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Mobius Wyvern
Guardian Solutions
DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2013.08.11 06:58:00 -
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8213 wrote:Mobius Wyvern wrote:IIphalanxII wrote:Reav Hannari wrote:
CCP doesn't attempt anything unless it involves jumping into the deep end of the pool and then learning how to swim. I'm sure they have their own metric for determining success or failure which depends on data they won't be sharing with you. Their milestone for checking success might even be years in the future. Move along if you want but I'm going along for the ride. It's likely to be a bumpy and frustrating ride at times but it'll be interesting either way.
the ride ends when PS4 launches. Because the 4-5 launch titles that console will have justifies scrapping all the games you have now and the consoles you play them on. Grow up. Right, because everyone still plays and buys things for the PS2 and PS1, right? lmao
YUP.
Still looking for a copy of Ace Combat Zero. |
gbrngfol
Last Of The Brotherhood
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Posted - 2013.08.11 06:59:00 -
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IIphalanxII wrote:
Depth of an RPG??? are you serious??? have you seen what is going to be released in the PS4??? in here there is no depth, only team death match and grinding too get SP so you can get better armor and weapons in which you don't have to use them ever to get better, they give you better weapons even IF YOU HAVE NEVER USED THEM??? where is the RPG depth??? you can go laser rifle to level 1 proficiency even if you never use it. DUST is only good for now cause i won't give any money to PS3 now and i believe that is what most ppl do just WAIT for PS4 cause with the things coming you will need a lot of money xD
and don't forget you want depth?? try a game which can play 2000 PEOPLE in a continuus match for survival (not 1 game and VICTORY,DEFEAT like it's a freakin MORTAL COMBAT) and has HUMONGOUS MAPS and you don't need to pay anything.
2000 players? Humongous maps? All fighting for survival??? What kind of survival is that? It'll be survival of the richest, whoever can pay off the most players as bodyguards will win. And as for getting level 1 with a laser rifle without ever touching one, it's justified, you get the info implanted into your brain. If you don't like that then deal with it. If you want to complain then become a gaming critic, or start a blog, at least you won't be taking up CCP's precious bandwidth by complaining about it here. |
X7 lion
Swamp Marines
Kleenex Inc.
6
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Posted - 2013.08.11 11:13:00 -
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8213 wrote:This is for CCP's own benefit. EVE is nice, and it allowed the DUST 514 project to start up, but CCP is in over their head.
CCP can't keep up with today's demands and stay competitive with other titles. DUST is a cool game, but it will never be right, or in proper working order. By the time the mechanics of the game will be fixed, the content of the title will have been long since eclipsed.
CCP, you are burning the candle from both ends and there is no sign that you can ever catch up to the competition. Its not your fault, as your resources are limited and you are attempting to stretch them as far as you are capable, all the while still learning as you go.
I have no doubt that DUST has generated you revenue, maybe even profit has been seen, or will be seen in the near future. However, the way I see it, you are trying to shovel out a hole, but twice the dirt keeps falling back in with every shovel full.
I would love to see DUST 514 in working order and have the depth that has been promoted, but with new consoles on the way, newer and better engines being built, the CCP DUST 514 Project will never chase down the deficit there competition has started them in. The gaming market is very hard to compete into, and attempting to build a AAA Title from scratch may have not been a good idea.
So, I ask you to just scrap DUST 514. Your playerbase will move on, as most of them have been doing anyway, and will do so more when the next Battlefield, Call of Duty, and Destiny titles become available. This is not to say that you should never attempt this type of project ever again, but perhaps more emphasis on "learning the ropes" should be releasing content into a public audience.
there are no words to describe your short sightedness.
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George Moros
WarRavens
League of Infamy
44
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Posted - 2013.08.11 11:18:00 -
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It's really interesting to see how different people have different criteria about seemingly very common and universal concepts.
What makes a game successful? Just look at EVE. It has subscription numbers counting at a couple 100K. Many MMO titles aspiring to be successful would look at those numbers as utter failure. Yet EVE lives for a decade. It has probably the most loyal and fanatical fanbase in the gaming industry and a slow, but steady and constant growth in subscribers each year. So, is EVE a succesful game or not? I think yes, but I know that many people think different.
EVE has some pretty unique concepts and models that stand it apart from virtually any game today. Incredibly complex, steep learning cliff (naming it curve is not adequate), permanent loss of ingame stuff, completely player driven economy, even most of the content (you know, stuff that happens in game) is also player driven - a true sandbox. You won't find most of that stuff in any other established MMO today (at least, not in the extent that EVE has).
Now, the problem in trying to be unique, original and attempting to go off the beaten path is that, by necessity, not everyone will actually like what you offer. I think nobody is more aware of that in the gaming industry than CCP. Not everyone likes a game in which you can lose, in an instant, something you worked for months to get, Not everyone likes a game which doesn't deliver you content on the platter, but merely gives you the tools to create it yourself. That's simply the fact of the matter.
So, what's with DUST? Did the game deliver what was promised/expected? In short - no. IMHO, the problem is two-fold.
Firstly, DUST currently lacks most of the complexity/tools EVE has that would make it truly stand apart from other shooters. There's no player driven economy, no castles to build/destroy, and no people to scam for billions of ISK. But this is the part where you simply must cut CCP some slack. There is no doable way to integrate two gaming worlds into one over night. Especially not when one of them is up and running for a decade, and other is just starting to develop. Expecting this from day one is simply unrealistic.
Secondly, (and this is where CCP actually did screw up) - the core game is not up to snuff. There are numerous issues plaguing the game, from the lack of basic stuff like all racial dropsuit variants, to numerous bugs and imbalances. I believe CCP expected those issues to arise, but not in the extent they did, and now they are in somewhat ungrateful position of postponing addition of new content (PvE, EVE-DUST link) in order to fix all that.
Finally, does all that mean CCP should just scrap DUST and move on? Not by a long shot. This game deserves to become what it's supposed to be - a truly unique and exceptional online shooter integrated into EVE universe. But (and this is kind of a point to this whole essay), even then, DUST will not be the game that everyone will want to play. If DUST follows some basic concepts that EVE has, and that make EVE such a unique game, then DUST will never be a game for the "mainstream" gamer, and therefore, not played by millions of people.
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Midas Fool
Guardian Solutions
DARKSTAR ARMY
105
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Posted - 2013.08.11 12:43:00 -
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8213 wrote:This is for CCP's own benefit. EVE is nice, and it allowed the DUST 514 project to start up, but CCP is in over their head.
CCP can't keep up with today's demands and stay competitive with other titles. DUST is a cool game, but it will never be right, or in proper working order. By the time the mechanics of the game will be fixed, the content of the title will have been long since eclipsed.
CCP, you are burning the candle from both ends and there is no sign that you can ever catch up to the competition. Its not your fault, as your resources are limited and you are attempting to stretch them as far as you are capable, all the while still learning as you go.
I have no doubt that DUST has generated you revenue, maybe even profit has been seen, or will be seen in the near future. However, the way I see it, you are trying to shovel out a hole, but twice the dirt keeps falling back in with every shovel full.
I would love to see DUST 514 in working order and have the depth that has been promoted, but with new consoles on the way, newer and better engines being built, the CCP DUST 514 Project will never chase down the deficit there competition has started them in. The gaming market is very hard to compete into, and attempting to build a AAA Title from scratch may have not been a good idea.
So, I ask you to just scrap DUST 514. Your playerbase will move on, as most of them have been doing anyway, and will do so more when the next Battlefield, Call of Duty, and Destiny titles become available. This is not to say that you should never attempt this type of project ever again, but perhaps more emphasis on "learning the ropes" should be releasing content into a public audience.
Yeah I think that you guys should just, you know, scrap this massive investment.
I like your other game, sure, but not this one. You guys should get it out of my face. I'm sick of looking at it.
Right guys? This game sucks! Add me XBL xXx_420sniperHAXX3r_xXx
Who's excited for Destiny on XBONE!!!
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8213
Grade No.2
134
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Posted - 2013.08.11 13:41:00 -
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blah blah blah
Wishful thinking...
DUST can't even keep a 5000 count playerbase without doing a special promotion of some kind every week.
Its a dying effort.
Go back and Watch the Rocky movies if you want to see fiction; to see something succeed when it shouldn't.
DUST on paper is a great game, and it'll never get off the drawing board in time. |
Lynn Beck
Granite Mercenary Division
99
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Posted - 2013.08.11 13:58:00 -
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Midas Fool wrote:8213 wrote:This is for CCP's own benefit. EVE is nice, and it allowed the DUST 514 project to start up, but CCP is in over their head.
CCP can't keep up with today's demands and stay competitive with other titles. DUST is a cool game, but it will never be right, or in proper working order. By the time the mechanics of the game will be fixed, the content of the title will have been long since eclipsed.
CCP, you are burning the candle from both ends and there is no sign that you can ever catch up to the competition. Its not your fault, as your resources are limited and you are attempting to stretch them as far as you are capable, all the while still learning as you go.
I have no doubt that DUST has generated you revenue, maybe even profit has been seen, or will be seen in the near future. However, the way I see it, you are trying to shovel out a hole, but twice the dirt keeps falling back in with every shovel full.
I would love to see DUST 514 in working order and have the depth that has been promoted, but with new consoles on the way, newer and better engines being built, the CCP DUST 514 Project will never chase down the deficit there competition has started them in. The gaming market is very hard to compete into, and attempting to build a AAA Title from scratch may have not been a good idea.
So, I ask you to just scrap DUST 514. Your playerbase will move on, as most of them have been doing anyway, and will do so more when the next Battlefield, Call of Duty, and Destiny titles become available. This is not to say that you should never attempt this type of project ever again, but perhaps more emphasis on "learning the ropes" should be releasing content into a public audience. Yeah I think that you guys should just, you know, scrap this massive investment. I like your other game, sure, but not this one. You guys should get it out of my face. I'm sick of looking at it. Right guys? This game sucks! Add me XBL xXx_420sniperHAXX3r_xXx Who's excited for Destiny on XBONE!!!
Pfft like hell i'm paying for xbl, i run 42-3 on halo reach. Why? Because i'm not scared shitless about losing ingamcreds. If halo had a cost of 200reachpoints or wutever, then i'll stop using guest accounts. |
Cosgar
ParagonX
4096
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Posted - 2013.08.11 14:45:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:8213 wrote:Mobius Wyvern wrote:IIphalanxII wrote:Reav Hannari wrote:
CCP doesn't attempt anything unless it involves jumping into the deep end of the pool and then learning how to swim. I'm sure they have their own metric for determining success or failure which depends on data they won't be sharing with you. Their milestone for checking success might even be years in the future. Move along if you want but I'm going along for the ride. It's likely to be a bumpy and frustrating ride at times but it'll be interesting either way.
the ride ends when PS4 launches. Because the 4-5 launch titles that console will have justifies scrapping all the games you have now and the consoles you play them on. Grow up. Right, because everyone still plays and buys things for the PS2 and PS1, right? lmao YUP. Still looking for a copy of Ace Combat Zero.
And I finally had the stomach to beat Xenosaga Episode II and working on Episode III. I might play Xenogears again too. |
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