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True Adamance
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1108
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Posted - 2013.08.10 07:03:00 -
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Piercing Serenity wrote:Hey, I just wanted to know about how much SP you need to pump into a Scrambler rifle to make it useful. I've heard a lot of good things about it and I wanna try it out.
Also, opinions from Zdub, or Zat would be great, cause I actually know how you play
Its useful right off of the bat. Just learn to charge shot then control your follow up volleys and you will be able to tear most enemies apart.
However the issue you will likely face is overheating. I suggest going into a game to get to know the limitations of your weapon and then to develop a set of firing patterns that you get in the habbit of using.
I suggest skilling up to level 3 immeadiately for the CRD single shot rifle. I use that now and its a fantastic gun. But like all things Imperial Scrambler Rifle plus proficiency is essentially the best you can do. |
True Adamance
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1108
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Posted - 2013.08.10 07:16:00 -
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Piercing Serenity wrote:True Adamance wrote:Piercing Serenity wrote:Hey, I just wanted to know about how much SP you need to pump into a Scrambler rifle to make it useful. I've heard a lot of good things about it and I wanna try it out.
Also, opinions from Zdub, or Zat would be great, cause I actually know how you play Its useful right off of the bat. Just learn to charge shot then control your follow up volleys and you will be able to tear most enemies apart. However the issue you will likely face is overheating. I suggest going into a game to get to know the limitations of your weapon and then to develop a set of firing patterns that you get in the habbit of using. I suggest skilling up to level 3 immeadiately for the CRD single shot rifle. I use that now and its a fantastic gun. But like all things Imperial Scrambler Rifle plus proficiency is essentially the best you can do. So, as far as I understand it, the Scrambler has a Tac variant (With charge?) and an assault variant. As a Caldari Assault, what do you think I should pick? And does the scrambler overheat bonus actual work for the imperial?
That's a tough one because each variant has its merits.
The Assault Scrambler Rifle is brilliant for tearing down shields and engaging out to rather surprising distances of say 35 or so metres, however it suffers rather badly against armour with the damage reduction and the lower shot for shot damage. However the thing will never over heat unless you continuously fire two or so magazines, with the gun overheating about 1/4 into the second magazine. In close quarters zones it is a fearfully destructive weapon, in the open not so much because of its lack of range.
The Standard Scrambler Rifles is a much better choice in my opinion because of its high damage per shot value, range, and anti shield capacity. Also the Charge Shot ability is the crucial factor.
As opposed to the assault variant the standard Scrambler rifle is much more geared to playing the marksman role, with you being able to dictate the range of your engagement and then effectively lay our heavy fire out to long distances (my furthest kill with one is 96m). However is rather difficult to come to grips with enemies up close.
This si where the charge shot comes in extremely useful. The charge shot will be your saving grave in most scenarios. I recommend that if you aren't sprinting you always have a shot chambered in case you see your chance to pick of an enemy straggler, sniper, or even run into a heavy. The charge shot will deplete the shields of almost every suit opening up armour.
However the downside of this is the heavy heat build up penalty you will incur, which means you will have something like 6 or less shots to lay out after the charge shot. I would suggest you immeadiately switch out to a side arm in CQC, and learn to lay down accurate three shot bursts at longer ranges.
Also headshots are a sure fire kill if you tag someone with a scrambler charge shot to the head.
I may not be the best player out there but I am one of the biggest Amarrian die hards you will find on Dust. I'll ask Aero and Metsar and see if I have covered everything. |
True Adamance
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1108
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Posted - 2013.08.10 07:17:00 -
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xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:Piercing Serenity wrote:True Adamance wrote:Piercing Serenity wrote:Hey, I just wanted to know about how much SP you need to pump into a Scrambler rifle to make it useful. I've heard a lot of good things about it and I wanna try it out.
Also, opinions from Zdub, or Zat would be great, cause I actually know how you play Its useful right off of the bat. Just learn to charge shot then control your follow up volleys and you will be able to tear most enemies apart. However the issue you will likely face is overheating. I suggest going into a game to get to know the limitations of your weapon and then to develop a set of firing patterns that you get in the habbit of using. I suggest skilling up to level 3 immeadiately for the CRD single shot rifle. I use that now and its a fantastic gun. But like all things Imperial Scrambler Rifle plus proficiency is essentially the best you can do. So, as far as I understand it, the Scrambler has a Tac variant (With charge?) and an assault variant. As a Caldari Assault, what do you think I should pick? And does the scrambler overheat bonus actual work for the imperial? The assault one. It does not overheat, no matter what you do with it. But the Imperial.....hell. A charged shot and i took down 400+ shield. But it does overheat really really fast (unless you have an amarr assault dropsuit)
It can overheat I have done it several times. Constant firing will cause the thing to overheat. |
True Adamance
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1110
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Posted - 2013.08.10 07:22:00 -
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Fire one clip, fire another immediately afterwards, the heat doesn't fully cool down during the reload animation. |
True Adamance
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1110
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Posted - 2013.08.10 07:27:00 -
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Spectre-M wrote:I'm actually doing the same, just have lvl 3 so I can try the advanced. It seems like getting the proficiency would help tremendously, with 72 base damage it can drain shields in1-2 shots (+%20 =86 ) but suffers in putting the nail in the coffin (-%20 armor = 58 ). If you had the +%15 damage from the skill, it would offset the downside. I also hear that the Amarr suit helps by reducing heat buildup. You could also carry a side arm if your suit permits to switch after shields are down to get the kill, like the flaylock. So it depends on the suit you want to pair it with or fit on existing one.
Not the single shot variant oddly enough. Even with the 20% damage reduction VS armour you are still doing something like 60 damage per hit, and more if you have the time and peace of mind to charge shot your target. |
True Adamance
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1110
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Posted - 2013.08.10 07:34:00 -
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xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:True Adamance wrote:Spectre-M wrote:I'm actually doing the same, just have lvl 3 so I can try the advanced. It seems like getting the proficiency would help tremendously, with 72 base damage it can drain shields in1-2 shots (+%20 =86 ) but suffers in putting the nail in the coffin (-%20 armor = 58 ). If you had the +%15 damage from the skill, it would offset the downside. I also hear that the Amarr suit helps by reducing heat buildup. You could also carry a side arm if your suit permits to switch after shields are down to get the kill, like the flaylock. So it depends on the suit you want to pair it with or fit on existing one. Not the single shot variant oddly enough. Even with the 20% damage reduction VS armour you are still doing something like 60 damage per hit, and more if you have the time and peace of mind to charge shot your target. yup. What i found really interesting is using it as a normal tac ar with an amarr pro. It is really a beast if you're fast with your fingers. Really.
Yup the faster you can react to the enemy the easier they go down. More often than not I'll get jumped by an enemy only to have them gunned down because I can train my sight on them faster than their DPS can deal with me. Once I have the trained, all I have to do is burst 5-6 shots and they go down.
What I like to do with all amarrian weaponry, since those are the only weapons I use is stack twin Complex Damage mods, a Complex Armour Plate, an twin reppers.
With the set up like this I prefer to spend my time at the back of the fight taking pot shots at the enemy with the intent that my damage will either supress and deter the enemy from firing back, or that I will land enough hits to make it that much easier for my squaddie Aero to steal my kills.... |
True Adamance
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1110
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Posted - 2013.08.10 07:36:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:True Adamance wrote:Spectre-M wrote:I'm actually doing the same, just have lvl 3 so I can try the advanced. It seems like getting the proficiency would help tremendously, with 72 base damage it can drain shields in1-2 shots (+%20 =86 ) but suffers in putting the nail in the coffin (-%20 armor = 58 ). If you had the +%15 damage from the skill, it would offset the downside. I also hear that the Amarr suit helps by reducing heat buildup. You could also carry a side arm if your suit permits to switch after shields are down to get the kill, like the flaylock. So it depends on the suit you want to pair it with or fit on existing one. Not the single shot variant oddly enough. Even with the 20% damage reduction VS armour you are still doing something like 60 damage per hit, and more if you have the time and peace of mind to charge shot your target. yup. What i found really interesting is using it as a normal tac ar with an amarr pro. It is really a beast if you're fast with your fingers. Really. By using it as a normal tac ar does that mean you are completely ignoring the charge feature? I know Adamance used to do that but I hope I have convinced him by now that if you are not using the charge nearly all the time you are handicapping yourself.
You did. The effectiveness of my ScR game has increased two or threefold. That's the unique aspect of the gun and the most potent feature of it. |
True Adamance
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1111
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Posted - 2013.08.10 07:40:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:True Adamance wrote:xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:True Adamance wrote:Spectre-M wrote:I'm actually doing the same, just have lvl 3 so I can try the advanced. It seems like getting the proficiency would help tremendously, with 72 base damage it can drain shields in1-2 shots (+%20 =86 ) but suffers in putting the nail in the coffin (-%20 armor = 58 ). If you had the +%15 damage from the skill, it would offset the downside. I also hear that the Amarr suit helps by reducing heat buildup. You could also carry a side arm if your suit permits to switch after shields are down to get the kill, like the flaylock. So it depends on the suit you want to pair it with or fit on existing one. Not the single shot variant oddly enough. Even with the 20% damage reduction VS armour you are still doing something like 60 damage per hit, and more if you have the time and peace of mind to charge shot your target. yup. What i found really interesting is using it as a normal tac ar with an amarr pro. It is really a beast if you're fast with your fingers. Really. What I like to do with all amarrian weaponry, since those are the only weapons I use is stack twin Complex Damage mods, a Complex Armour Plate, an twin reppers. With the set up like this I prefer to spend my time at the back of the fight taking pot shots at the enemy with the intent that my damage will either supress and deter the enemy from firing back, or that I will land enough hits to make it that much easier for my squaddie Aero to steal my kills.... I'm definitely here to steal your kills  But how on earth are you fitting two complex damage mods and a complex armor plate on you advanced suit? Or this must be for your protosuit? I know you have the Neo Amarr Assault Proto in the warbarge, but have you actually got past Amarr Assault 3?
I'm not its what I used to do on Harkon which was when I had 8 million SP. I was proto Amarrian.
Now I use a simplified version of that which you know when I squad with you. |
True Adamance
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1111
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Posted - 2013.08.10 07:43:00 -
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We aren't forgetting any tips are we? |
True Adamance
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1111
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Posted - 2013.08.10 08:12:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:Piercing Serenity wrote:Well, thank you all for all of your help. This sound like a very interesting gun. Just to sum things up:
- Standard ScR > Assault because of Charge feature and range
- Different firing mechanic than AR (Shot fires on release of R1)
- Sidearm required to chew through armor
- Heat build-up is a concern using the Standard ScR after charged shots
- Bad hipfire(?) Pretty much, except -Sidearm not really needed for armor, it still chews through armor decently. -The stats say the all semi-auto scrambler rifles have the same heat build up, but I notice a slight difference and thing it may be recorded falsely on that stats page. -Yes, hipfire is extremely bad
Well
AScR has amazing hip fire.
Regular ScR has terribly hip fire... to accurate for its own good, you sometimes tend to panic up close with the standard gun... this can work for and against you.
Sidearm while not required for armour is suggested. I use the Assault Scrambler Pistol. But the Flaylock or the SMG would also be very effective side arms. |
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True Adamance
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1112
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Posted - 2013.08.10 09:08:00 -
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SERPENT-Adamapple wrote:Piercing Serenity wrote:Hey, I just wanted to know about how much SP you need to pump into a Scrambler rifle to make it useful. I've heard a lot of good things about it and I wanna try it out.
Also, opinions from Zdub, or Zat would be great, cause I actually know how you play Proficiency 4 with complex dmg mode and it becomes very useful. Also, if you plan on using the standard SCR, you might want to use the Amarr Assault. You will be able to pump out more shots due to the overheat bonus.
The Amarr Assault doesn't affect the ScR or AScR.... weird huh? |
True Adamance
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1112
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Posted - 2013.08.10 09:13:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:True Adamance wrote:SERPENT-Adamapple wrote:Piercing Serenity wrote:Hey, I just wanted to know about how much SP you need to pump into a Scrambler rifle to make it useful. I've heard a lot of good things about it and I wanna try it out.
Also, opinions from Zdub, or Zat would be great, cause I actually know how you play Proficiency 4 with complex dmg mode and it becomes very useful. Also, if you plan on using the standard SCR, you might want to use the Amarr Assault. You will be able to pump out more shots due to the overheat bonus. The Amarr Assault doesn't affect the ScR or AScR.... weird huh? Wah? It most definitely does.
I'm told otherwise. I shall have to consult the DEV's.... how did Cat Merc do it last time.
*places tender looking lamb outside of Wolfman's cave*
*waits*
(( I all honesty I don't expect him to ever be summoned.... are you sure about this. I hear all over the place the heat build up is broken with the bonus because the Heat build up of the standard ScR isn't based on number of depressions but time depressed.... so that the faster you tap the trigger the more shots you pump out before over heating.)) |
True Adamance
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1112
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Posted - 2013.08.10 10:28:00 -
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Arx Ardashir wrote:'Nother Amarr enthusiast here (4.5 years Amarr FW in EVE, and began my FW career in PIE).
I've been using the charge shot on the standard variant rather sparingly. I'll have to try giving it more of a role, but it seems like 3 shots with it and I'm overheated, and I ain't the best marksman around (only terrible ~50% of the time). I usually just pepper the enemy with normal shots until I take my 50 damage punishment and wait for my gun to start cooperating again.
The Assault variant I used to like as well, but lately have just noticed that it has atrocious dispersion, even though it's shooting lasers. And the SMG has pinpoint accuracy when using the ironsights. Go figure. I was surprised when the standard variant jumped in my hands after a single shot. I guess that's all in the name of balance, though.
So you are a PIE graduate.... you know Im sure your corp if you still do Amarr FW junk would be absolutely welcome in PIE Public, some of the coolest people I have met during my time in the game are in there.
I think you should try the Charge Shot. It incredibly potent when you learn to hit with it and its also incredibly viable to get into a rhythm while using it so that every few seconds you are consistently pumping out high damage supporting shots for your squad.
I tend to lead my targets with the Charge Shot, it has surprising range, and will likely drop their shields enough or scatter their thoughts enough that I can blap them with some follow up shots. But you are right, you overheat very quickly after the charge using this method.
I normally would agree with you perhaps it seems like the dispersion is pretty bad but I have had some amazing luck with it at range, I suppose it is the sight compensating for that, and can normally mow people down at mid range.... |
True Adamance
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1139
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Posted - 2013.08.11 07:28:00 -
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Spectre-M wrote:Got a good chance to play with it again today. I have found that headshots happen alot more often with when doing quick bursts. When shields are dropped, I start a charge and when charging, the heat goes down and I don't burn out as quick. The couple of seconds it takes to charge does remove a bit of heat so that you can fire almost continuously. I'm still getting used to where to place the charged shot on a moving target as I think the beam travels slower than I think. I'm definitely going to keep speccing into it. My next goal is the pro skill to make those shots that hit really count. The hip fire is great btw, as long as you fire as quickly as you can, it doesn't take much to drop lower than heavy suits.
Yup its a seriously interesting, characterful, and unique weapon. |
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