By the way if your suit cost 30,000 you will no gain profit if u die 7 times

The rule to live by is: "If it is a fair fight run away".

I think this is where the biggest problem in my current tactics with the play style is. Maybe I'm not valuing my own clone. I need to pick on the weak more.

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Another factor to consider right now is hit detection for the Shotgun and Nova Knives are god awful "terribad". I seen obvious hits not register at all or register and not apply any damage. Stationary targets are much easier to kill like snipers and people hacking.

So, I've made a recent venture into scouts suits and shotguns this week due to the 2x event. Previously, I had promised myself not to deviate from my Dropsuit Upgrades SP for a while, but I could not resist. Plus, I needed some variety in game from the vanilla AR (snore), and the boombooms of the MD (my long time weapon of choice). Also, the Minnie assault suit was starting to get a little itchy, I needed to get it to the shop for a new coat of duct tape, and lets face it, the Minmatar Light frame is pretty sweet looking.

People say the scout shotgun is hard mode. I agree to the utmost; however, not because it requires balls of steel (insert duke nukem clip), but because the gun is just as unreliable as the MD was a few months ago. I overcame that mess by skilling into ARs due to their reliability when dealing with the MD and assault suit. I've found the best way to overcome every engagement as a scout is to fully expect it to fail horribly and painfully. You won't kill that guy with a sliver of health in one hit so you can move on to the next guy who is turning around in one move because it's just not going to register when you need it to. I find myself, on top of planning an escape route, planting traps on that route ahead of time in hopes to survive the chase after.

That being said, thank god RE's are working properly as well. I'm kidding, they're pretty unreliable this build as well. I could start singing and dancing in a sea of reds, they'd be none the wiser, and it isn't until i toss out an RE they notice me. A remote explosive that would have leveled an entire squad due to my master sneakery. I then wonder if shotgunning would have yielded better results before my death. I ultimately conclude it was silly of me to have considered success in a situation that made use of the scouts every advantage. I'm not one to get pissed off a video game but shotgunning has definitely caused me to want to punch an infant.

Don't get me wrong, I am in love with the scoutgun scout fit. It complements my play style but is very tough on the wallet (and sanity at times). In my assault suit I profit in the millions while as a scout it took me forever to break 1M profit. I don't care about my K/D (though honestly I'm going 3 to 5 KDR when it seems detection is in my favor) but I've got some things in the work that require me to be a little more weary on the wallet. I really just want to know how you dudes are profiting (if you are) as full time scouts. I dedicated this week to just being a scout and seemed to only make a steady income while running STD gear as it yielded the exact same results for me with less of an ISK investment. Perhaps I am doing something wrong. Perhaps the serpentine is not yet strong enough with me. Expect to see me in Scouts United.

Also I'd like to add, on top of the hit detection, the dudes who do the lightning fast left/right strafe with their keyboards are bullkitten.

My playstyle of choice when using the light frame relies on the aptly named the Leeroy principle.

This principle exploits that brief human moment of "what in all the f*ck?" experienced when one witnesses actions that no sane person would perform.
E.g. Charging a HMG while your shields are low.
You know that face dogs make when you make a strange sound? You need to find a way to make people react like that, and then turn on the badassery.
Groups of enemies will either all turn on you, the following anarchy is surprisingly easy to exploit, or they'll ignore you expecting others to pick up the slack.

Most importantly of all: expect to die. Enemies who don't fear death are unpredictable and terrifying. When 5people hide around a corner waiting for shields to recharge, they tend not to expect a scout to jump over the wall into the middle of them.

i meant to say i have no skilling in SHOTGUNS i just finger bang everyone and everything with bullet hose and still miss every round

I love you whoever you are.

Nailed it! I have been running SG Scout since early beta. For this build, and quite a few before it, you nailed it right on the head. In this build in particular, RE's are sh*t due to the equipment delay. Don't forget next build everyone will get an upgrade to their turn/strafe, so be ready for even more punishment.

I just returned to the scouting life this week, and love it. Ran into you on one of my first days, Cyrius ... thanks for the MD to the face

any time, MD to face for everyone.

Yeah, I ... wish you'd been running shotgun (and having some of those hit detection issues) THAT match, dude!

So, I've made a recent venture into scouts suits and shotguns this week due to the 2x event. Previously, I had promised myself not to deviate from my Dropsuit Upgrades SP for a while, but I could not resist. Plus, I needed some variety in game from the vanilla AR (snore), and the boombooms of the MD (my long time weapon of choice). Also, the Minnie assault suit was starting to get a little itchy, I needed to get it to the shop for a new coat of duct tape, and lets face it, the Minmatar Light frame is pretty sweet looking.

People say the scout shotgun is hard mode. I agree to the utmost; however, not because it requires balls of steel (insert duke nukem clip), but because the gun is just as unreliable as the MD was a few months ago. I overcame that mess by skilling into ARs due to their reliability when dealing with the MD and assault suit. I've found the best way to overcome every engagement as a scout is to fully expect it to fail horribly and painfully. You won't kill that guy with a sliver of health in one hit so you can move on to the next guy who is turning around in one move because it's just not going to register when you need it to. I find myself, on top of planning an escape route, planting traps on that route ahead of time in hopes to survive the chase after.

That being said, thank god RE's are working properly as well. I'm kidding, they're pretty unreliable this build as well. I could start singing and dancing in a sea of reds, they'd be none the wiser, and it isn't until i toss out an RE they notice me. A remote explosive that would have leveled an entire squad due to my master sneakery. I then wonder if shotgunning would have yielded better results before my death. I ultimately conclude it was silly of me to have considered success in a situation that made use of the scouts every advantage. I'm not one to get pissed off a video game but shotgunning has definitely caused me to want to punch an infant.

Don't get me wrong, I am in love with the scoutgun scout fit. It complements my play style but is very tough on the wallet (and sanity at times). In my assault suit I profit in the millions while as a scout it took me forever to break 1M profit. I don't care about my K/D (though honestly I'm going 3 to 5 KDR when it seems detection is in my favor) but I've got some things in the work that require me to be a little more weary on the wallet. I really just want to know how you dudes are profiting (if you are) as full time scouts. I dedicated this week to just being a scout and seemed to only make a steady income while running STD gear as it yielded the exact same results for me with less of an ISK investment. Perhaps I am doing something wrong. Perhaps the serpentine is not yet strong enough with me. Expect to see me in Scouts United.

Also I'd like to add, on top of the hit detection, the dudes who do the lightning fast left/right strafe with their keyboards are bullkitten.

Stop what you're doing and use a minmatar assault instead. Scouts now die if someone so much as looks at them.

ouch mean looks hurt some much more then just my suit, group hug!
*pop core locus nade*

amarrr=never use those weak things you called scouts. our scouts are called assaults by the rest

I just returned to the scouting life this week, and love it. Ran into you on one of my first days, Cyrius ... thanks for the MD to the face

Yeah, I ... wish you'd been running shotgun (and having some of those hit detection issues) THAT match, dude!

Stop what you're doing and use a minmatar assault instead. Scouts now die if someone so much as looks at them.