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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.08.09 04:25:00 -
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Not really a shotgun, but Its the closest thing I could think of as a classification.
X-rays and gamma rays can pass through solid matter, so it would be great to have a weapon that fires powerful gamma ray bursts that can shoot through cover and walls. The gamma burst emitter (GBE) should fire in a 20 degree angle wide cone (similar to the active scanner's scanning cone, but tighter), and should require charge to fire. The GBE should be able to fire in 2 seconds of continuous gamma radiation bursts before stopping (kind of like a railgun installation charges once to do multiple shots). Because shooting through walls would be such a big advantage it should have have to have heat buildup/overheat, charge required to fire, and relatively low damage per second as a tradeoff.
Weapon type: laser (120% shield damage, 80% armor damage). Lasers are amplified electromagnetic radiation (usually visible light), gamma rays are also electromagnetic radiation, so don't say "but gamma rays can't be lasers". Damage: 20 RPM: 750 (12.5 rounds per second) Charge time: 1.5 seconds Firing burst: lasts 2 seconds (or 25 "rounds" fired) damage per second: 240 (1.5s charge time + 2s of continuous bursts = 2.5s. 12.5 rounds per second - 2.5 = 10. 20*12 = 240)
Magazine size: 150 (6 bursts) Heat buildup: STD overheats after the 4th successive burst (100 shots), ADV overheats during the 5th bursts (110 shots), PRO overheats during the 5th burst (120 shots) (can fire all 150 rounds with maxed out Amarr assault bonus, 1.25*120 = 150). These stats assume that the player does not pause between bursts to let the GEB cool down. Feedback damage: 100 (between scrambler and laser rifle)
Optimal: 30 meters Effective range: 50 meters Absolute range: 85 meters
GBE operation skill bonus: 5% increase duration of a burst before needing to charge again (or fires more "rounds" before stopping). Maxed out the bursts will last 2.5 seconds, and deliver about 31 "rounds" before recharging instead of 25.
Its primary role would be close range area denial (cone allows for large area coverage), hitting multiple enemies (cone also allows for hitting multiple targets), and hunting those hiding behind cover. |
Lillica Deathdealer
Mango and Friends
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Posted - 2013.08.09 04:35:00 -
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I like this. I like Amarr. I feel it should do more feedback damage though, for the sake of another weakpoint. Spamming it from behind cover and taking the feedback damage might be an abuse of it for someone with a decent shield recharge rate. As for the operation skill, perhaps increase the cone's degree of effect? I think that would fit well with the area denial part. Lastly how would you know someone was shooting you with it? Some sort of visual effect? |
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic
5344
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Posted - 2013.08.09 05:58:00 -
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Any more thoughts? |
Ulysses Knapse
Bojo's School of the Trades
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Posted - 2013.08.09 06:08:00 -
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The idea isn't new, and I don't much like the name. Personally, I've had the idea of an Amarr shotgun variant for many months. Since I'm feeling generous, I'll share my idea. Basically, my concept of an Amarr shotgun is that you can charge it, increasing damage and tightening the firing cone.
Your idea isn't bad. It would be nice to hit things behind cover, but that's what explosives are (supposedly) for. Unfortunately, all (or at the very least, most of) the explosives we have seem to have ridiculous damage, but horrible splash radius. |
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic
5344
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Posted - 2013.08.09 07:28:00 -
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Ulysses Knapse wrote:The idea isn't new, and I don't much like the name. Personally, I've had the idea of an Amarr shotgun variant for many months. Since I'm feeling generous, I'll share my idea. Basically, my concept of an Amarr shotgun is that you can charge it, increasing damage and tightening the firing cone.
Your idea isn't bad. It would be nice to hit things behind cover, but that's what explosives are (supposedly) for. Unfortunately, all (or at the very least, most of) the explosives we have seem to have ridiculous damage, but horrible splash radius.
You're not the first to suggest an optional-charge shotgun to tighten spread and damage, in fact I know me (and several others probably) suggested it in Wolfman's variant request thread back in closed.
My idea wasn't conceived as a shotgun, that's just what it best happens to fit in.You say my idea isn't new, yet I'm also pretty sure no one else thought of a required-charge burst-firing shotgun that shoots through walls. |
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic
5354
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Posted - 2013.08.10 01:58:00 -
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mmmmmmm (charging) pzew-pzew-pzew-pzew-pzew-pzew-pzew-pzew (shoots) |
KING CHECKMATE
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
469
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Posted - 2013.08.10 02:03:00 -
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Good idea, but same as the AUGER in the Resistance Series, people will just whine.
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic
5354
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Posted - 2013.08.10 03:27:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Good idea, but same as the AUGER in the Resistance Series, people will just whine.
It would probably get more undeserved hate than the mass driver. |
CLONE117
Planetary Response Organization Test Friends Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.08.10 05:36:00 -
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no for shoot through walls worst thing ever to be placed in a game..
i like my cover it keeps me alive... |
ladwar
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
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Posted - 2013.08.10 05:39:00 -
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give it a scope that sees heat even through walls add 200m more range. but make it take 10 seconds to reload and 1 round per clip and make it so it has a nasty drop with range. |
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Cryius Li-Moody
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
10
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Posted - 2013.08.10 05:46:00 -
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Any more thoughts? can it be used to hug people to death? |
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic
5355
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Posted - 2013.08.10 05:51:00 -
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ladwar wrote:give it a scope that sees heat even through walls add 200m more range. but make it take 10 seconds to reload and 1 round per clip and make it so it has a nasty drop with range.
I thought of the "x-ray scope" thing, but I would prefer making it rely on the user carrying an active scanner. |
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic
5355
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Posted - 2013.08.10 05:53:00 -
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Cryius Li-Moody wrote:KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Any more thoughts? can it be used to hug people to death? If you hug someone while it overheats, yes. |
ladwar
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
1106
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Posted - 2013.08.10 06:03:00 -
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:ladwar wrote:give it a scope that sees heat even through walls add 200m more range. but make it take 10 seconds to reload and 1 round per clip and make it so it has a nasty drop with range. I thought of the "x-ray scope" thing, but I would prefer making it rely on the user carrying an active scanner. so it would be OP as hell in a logi hands who can fit a hive a scanner and rep hive and possible a smg sidearm...
*hint hint* |
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic
5357
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Posted - 2013.08.10 06:25:00 -
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ladwar wrote:KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:ladwar wrote:give it a scope that sees heat even through walls add 200m more range. but make it take 10 seconds to reload and 1 round per clip and make it so it has a nasty drop with range. I thought of the "x-ray scope" thing, but I would prefer making it rely on the user carrying an active scanner. so it would be OP as hell in a logi hands who can fit a hive a scanner and rep hive and possible a smg sidearm... *hint hint* I think it would be a great and very logical fit to make the most out of the weapons capabilities, but not really OP. |
Text Grant
Planetary Response Organization Test Friends Please Ignore
83
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Posted - 2013.08.10 06:41:00 -
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Grab flux and mass drivers. We don't need anymore "Area denial" weapons or weapons that kill through cover. Thank you. |
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic
5358
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Posted - 2013.08.10 06:46:00 -
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Text Grant wrote:Grab flux and mass drivers. We don't need anymore "Area denial" weapons or weapons that kill through cover. Thank you. What I'm suggesting works fundamentally different from the MD in almost every way. Just because they can fill similar roles is no reason to not add this, the upcoming combat rifle and rail rifle will likely fill a similar role on the battlefield as the AR, yet they're still going to be added. |
Vyzion Eyri
The Southern Legion
1143
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Posted - 2013.08.10 06:53:00 -
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This weapon feels like a sidearm to me. I imagine I'd use it when the enemy trys to whip around a corner when they're nearly dead. Pull it out and shoot into the wall, get the kill, then switch back to my much more powerful AR, etc. |
Ulysses Knapse
Bojo's School of the Trades
465
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Posted - 2013.08.10 07:44:00 -
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:You're not the first to suggest an optional-charge shotgun to tighten spread and damage Maybe not on this forum, but who knows. It was a very long while ago, and I'm hardly sure myself when exactly I thought it up. Though, you are probably correct. Besides, my original idea was that the shotgun would be weak with little spread, and that charging it up would increase spread, but I changed my mind after realizing how hard it would be to balance.
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:You say my idea isn't new, yet I'm also pretty sure no one else thought of a required-charge burst-firing shotgun that shoots through walls. I was referring to a weapon that shot through cover at all, not a shotgun or even a gun. |
Shattered Mirage
D.A.R.K Academy D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
99
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Posted - 2013.08.10 07:46:00 -
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I like the idea but, it'll be nerfed as soon as its released... |
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Dagger-Two
Villore Joint Task Force Villore Accords
54
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Posted - 2013.08.11 00:11:00 -
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This is very similar to an idea I had; basically the same area-denial effect of high-intensity y-ray bursts, except as a grenade-like weapon instead of a handheld weapon. Deploys when it stops bouncing, fires frequent 360-degree pulses within 10-15m for anywhere from 20-30 seconds. People staying in the area take mild damage with every pulse, which are more effective against shields, and create a huge environmental hazard not to mention putting you at a serious disadvantage in a firefight.
Eventually, when the game gets to where it needs to be in terms of core mechanics and overall variety of gear, and they start intriducing weapon customization, I'm sure we'll see variant focusing crystals for laser weapons, including UV and y-Ray crystals like in EVE.
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: X-rays and gamma rays can pass through solid matter
Depending on the kind of matter, of course. |
Dagger-Two
Villore Joint Task Force Villore Accords
54
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Posted - 2013.08.11 00:13:00 -
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And personally, from its description, i think the current (plasma) shotgun should fire a cone of plasma, rather than a bunch of individual bolts. |
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic
5503
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Posted - 2013.08.21 18:17:00 -
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The more weird weapons the better. |
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.09.10 20:14:00 -
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Still want |
Severus Smith
Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State
319
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Posted - 2013.09.10 20:22:00 -
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I like this. I love the Auger (Resistance) and Farsight (Perfect Dark) and think they add some more flavor to the battlefield (especially the future battlefield). I didn't know you had the request open, so I posted my own weapon earlier today that is similar.
Quote:Gamma Rifle - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Designed to counter the guerilla tactics used by the Minmatar during the Rebellion the Gamma Rifle fires a charged pulse of gamma radiation that is capable of penetrating solid objects. For Amarr doctrine this weapon ensures that the Reclaiming Light of the Lord can find even those cowardly enough to hide.
- Light Weapon - 1.5 second charge time - Moderate damage (100 to 150 per hit) - 40m range, 30m scope range (X Ray) - Small clip (4 to 5 per)
This weapon is pretty much the Farsight (Perfect Dark) or Auger (Resistance) in that it is capable of hiting targets through solid objects. It wouldn't do much DPS and would instead be more of an opportunity weapon, with kills / assists scored when targets get low on health and duck for cover. This would add an interesting mechanic to combat where players would have to decide between tanking the Gamma Rifle hits or dashing from cover and hoping to avoid the deadly Tachyon Laser that's sweeping across the room. The limited range / scope range would keep it limited to closer range combat and help ensure it doesn't turn into "OP Invincible Snipers OMG". Like all laser weapons it has a bright, distinctive, beam when fired (to help locate the shooter). - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Either way, your idea sounds interesting. |
The-Errorist
Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation
186
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Posted - 2013.09.11 00:55:00 -
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+1 |
Hellkeizer
The Avutora Complex
73
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Posted - 2013.09.11 01:45:00 -
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Sounds somewhat like the Resistance Auger and anything that reminds me of those deadly weapons gets a like |
Garth Mandra
The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine
99
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Posted - 2013.09.11 03:01:00 -
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Some numbers for this: DPS while firing: 250 (so 625 per 2.5s burst) DPS with prof 5 and 3 damage mods: 363 (907)
Optimal area of effect: 70 m2 (proto assault mass driver has 162 m2)
Nice idea.
However I think there are many issues with countering and information.
With damage of that level you can take out almost all suits with a single 2.5 second burst. This is a problem given the ability to shoot through walls and AoE.
So you shoot a guy with this, it takes him at least half a second to notice and start reacting. Then he has to figure out which way to run (he can't shoot back to counter you). If he knows which way to go it takes him another second or so to get out of the arc. So that's around 375 damage which is ok except that presumably the wielder is tracking the enemy so he doesn't actually leave the area and dies a horribly burny death.
To make this weapon work I think the target has to know (with some visual queue - minimap?) what the area of effect is. And probably be aware of this while the gun is charging. I think the damage is a too high too. Given the huge advantages in shooting though cover and AoE this weapon shouldn't kill unless the target fails to react.
With significantly lower damage and informing the target of the area it'd still be a useful weapon for driving people out of cover.
What if it was also made into a heavy weapon? |
The-Errorist
Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation
187
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Posted - 2013.09.11 03:07:00 -
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Garth Mandra wrote:Some numbers for this: DPS while firing: 250 (so 625 per 2.5s burst) DPS with prof 5 and 3 damage mods: 363 (907)
Optimal area of effect: 70 m2 (proto assault mass driver has 162 m2)
Nice idea.
However I think there are many issues with countering and information.
With damage of that level you can take out almost all suits with a single 2.5 second burst. This is a problem given the ability to shoot through walls and AoE.
So you shoot a guy with this, it takes him at least half a second to notice and start reacting. Then he has to figure out which way to run (he can't shoot back to counter you). If he knows which way to go it takes him another second or so to get out of the arc. So that's around 375 damage which is ok except that presumably the wielder is tracking the enemy so he doesn't actually leave the area and dies a horribly burny death.
To make this weapon work I think the target has to know (with some visual queue - minimap?) what the area of effect is. And probably be aware of this while the gun is charging. I think the damage is a too high too. Given the huge advantages in shooting though cover and AoE this weapon shouldn't kill unless the target fails to react.
With significantly lower damage and informing the target of the area it'd still be a useful weapon for driving people out of cover. This should be a heavy weapon. What if it was also made into a heavy weapon?
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI
6344
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Posted - 2013.10.02 14:37:00 -
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I want a cancer deathray |
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