This is a simple question. When you were killed by it, were you either below or in close range to the user? If so, you were doing something very wrong. That is like trying to take on a shotgun at point blank range, a sniper at your maximum range, a tank with an AR, or many other examples of blatant ignorance, or worse, stupidity. Mass drivers are fine as is, and if you don't believe me, try using intelligent tactics against those who use them. For example, get above him or engage at around 40 meters, in either of those situations he will have to rely on luck to hit you. I have yet to be killed by a mass driver when I am above him and only a couple times at any distance greater than 30 meters. I used the mass driver in the beta regularly, that is where I learned this. It does not need a nerf just because people line up like cattle for it. And before anyone pulls the "you just want to keep you OP weapon" crap, I don't have a single sp invested into it. My go to guns are sniper rifles, tactical ARs, and scrambler pistols...I prefer my weapons accurate, which the MD is anything but.

How can we use these "tactics" when its impossible to run away from them.

Mass Drivers are supposed to be a skilled weapon.

It's to bad that most rely on splash damage.

If you run into an md or the md gets the jump on you. you deserve to die instantly no fair chance no getting away. Its an explosive nothing is allowed to servive an explosive......ever

Well, one idea, just off the top of my head, in like 2 seconds is -- don't run right up to them in the first place.

I was immediately killed by it almost the second my shields went down.

Yeah, I guess that makes me stupid for not shield tanking a suit designed for armour tanking.

Skilled weapon in any game means tailored for use in certain scenarios, those scenarios for the mass driver are (like I said) close range or high ground. Implying that splash damage negates that is like saying that the scope on a sniper negates the skill (and don't you dare say there is no skill in head shotting a moving target with the hit detection issues) in its use.

so basically, as how they are used now, in the close quarters surrounding most objectives where all they have to do is bunny hop while blind-firing at anyone attempting to ome around the corner to get lolz-kills.

whats that you say? come up behind them? oh i would except he has two buddies doing the exat same thing in the other direction who just killed 3 guys trying to flank.

fact is, around buildings and choke points, only thing that will kill a mass driver without sacrificing 20 of your teams clone count to the morgue is another mass driver with a bigger tank or more damage.

clearly the OP hasnt ran as a heavy user, get above a MD user? heck we can't even jump up a ledge thats higher than our shins. engage the MD at 40m? LOL with a HMG? its quite difficult getting rid of a MD user as a heavy, and even worse when you bump into a squad of MD users. my shields and armor disappeared as quickly as my dead body did.

And to Vicious Minotaur, as I already said...armor being UP =/= mass driver being OP in any way. My point is armor needs buffs, MD does not need nerfs, and saying other wise will never fix the armor problems.

I never once even implied that the MD needs nerfing. All I have done is state that the the MD is overpowered by proxy.

How can we use these "tactics" when its impossible to run away from them.

I was immediately killed by it almost the second my shields went down.

Yeah, I guess that makes me stupid for not shield tanking a suit designed for armour tanking.

clearly the OP hasnt ran as a heavy user, get above a MD user? heck we can't even jump up a ledge thats higher than our shins. engage the MD at 40m? LOL with a HMG? its quite difficult getting rid of a MD user as a heavy, and even worse when you bump into a squad of MD users. my shields and armor disappeared as quickly as my dead body did.

the md was made to kill armor. what part of that dont you understand? your not supposed to survive. or have a fair chance either.and even if you shield tanked you will just get hit with a flux. and die any way the only way to beat a demolition soldier is to fight him at range. STOP GOING INTO TO CQC AND THINKING YOUR NOT GOING TO GET RAPED BY A MASS DRIVER. YOUR SUPPOSED TO GET RAPED BY A MASS DRIVER IN CQC.

Or try coordinating with your team maybe? Kind of like they are? Example, 4 guy frag out the area 2 by 2, flux first (cooked of course) followed by locus (also cooked). It works.

And to Vicious Minotaur, as I already said...armor being UP =/= mass driver being OP in any way. My point is armor needs buffs, MD does not need nerfs, and saying other wise will never fix the armor problems.

Edit: Regarding Chibi's comment, I don't mean hopping on a box...that won't do much for anyone. I mean truly above them, use a ladder or a dropship. Also, I use a heavy suit quite often, and have no problem taking the high ground.

Their maximum effective range is 40m, and even inside of that, the AR's damage in ten seconds is 400% of the MD's even with direct hits. If you learned how to aim, you would win every engagement, but instead, you run like an undisciplined newberry and explode. No wonder you QQ all the time.

Mass Drivers are supposed to be a skilled weapon.

It's to bad that most rely on splash damage.

Didn't read the OP, poster sounded like an ignorant lil turd puncher.

Some of these mass drivers can have up to 8.25m splash damage, times by the fact theres never one, add the forge guns in then the grenades. Dust 514 has turned into a splash damage cheese ball event.
Rewarded for indirect hits.
Close range? to one, there was also 5 other in varius spots spamming them left right and center.
Underneath? one, there was also 5 other in varius spots spamming them left right and center.

There are some very good mass driver users, there is also MASS SPAM going on. Ran against Nyan san yesterday, they were running around in groups, purely spamming. At one point they couldn't see their targets they were hit and hope lobbing them. I see this all day when sniping them, most mass driver players are just sticking in numbers of other splash damage, and cluster ******* the enemy. this requires NO SKILL.

Their arguement of harder to use is invalid. The weapon is out of control atm. If their was a flux varient, this forum would see the biggest amount of tears ever, but they only do this with armor destroying weapons.

Another weapon that proves CCP have no idea about competitive FPS play nor the balance thats required.

Mass Drivers are supposed to be a skilled weapon.

It's to bad that most rely on splash damage.

Didn't read the OP, poster sounded like an ignorant lil turd puncher.

Some of these mass drivers can have up to 8.25m splash damage, times by the fact theres never one, add the forge guns in then the grenades. Dust 514 has turned into a splash damage cheese ball event.
Rewarded for indirect hits.
Close range? to one, there was also 5 other in varius spots spamming them left right and center.
Underneath? one, there was also 5 other in varius spots spamming them left right and center.

There are some very good mass driver users, there is also MASS SPAM going on. Ran against Nyan san yesterday, they were running around in groups, purely spamming. At one point they couldn't see their targets they were hit and hope lobbing them. I see this all day when sniping them, most mass driver players are just sticking in numbers of other splash damage, and cluster ******* the enemy. this requires NO SKILL.

Their arguement of harder to use is invalid. The weapon is out of control atm. If their was a flux varient, this forum would see the biggest amount of tears ever, but they only do this with armor destroying weapons.

Another weapon that proves CCP have no idea about competitive FPS play nor the balance thats required.