Mass driver requires more skill to use than a assault rifle. Just saying, don't troll you might fail.

I'm sorry, but anyone who talks like this about the Mass Driver just has absolutely no clue what they're talking about. No, splash damage should not be a 'Consolation Prize'. Decent splash damage is the only reason anyone uses this weapon at all. If you were not able to kill people with the splash damage, no one would ever use the Mass Driver, period.

The Mass Driver is not like an AR. You do not point-and-click, and get an instant automatic hit if you're on target. The projectiles have a long travel time and fire at an arc. Because of this, there is no way that anyone ever goes around getting 100% direct hits. Yes, I almost always go for splash damage because that is the only thing that is practical. But even then, at any significant distance, or anything other than the optimal situation for the MD, it is difficult to hit with the splash damage.

So please just stop, all you're doing in continually proving how clueless you are about this situation.

....to a lesser degree, yes. But it still is not a hitscan weapon. And it still fires at an arc

I really wish some of you rampant sh!t talkers about the MD would try it, and please let me know how simple it is to run around getting direct hits 100% of the time.

This wasn't a troll thread. This is what started my war on crutchinism



I was trying to prove a point that ANYBODY can pick pick up the basic MD and do good with it.(Including somebody who only has ONE level into the entire MD tree and has never used a Grenade launcher a day in his life in any shooter dating back since Socom2 on Playstation2) I even just ran around blindly like I do with AR I was running and gunning and was far more effective with the BASIC Mass Driver than I was with the Duvolle Assault Rifle.



This is EXACTLY my point. The noobs require a crutch. They require a gun that does not take any aim whatsoever to use. A gun where you can just shoot in the general direction of your opponent(s) and not care if you hit the enemy or not because you still do a crazy amount of damage (crazy for NOT landing the shot over 100dmg)



Yes, it was "CLEARLY" difficult to aim and manipulate the splash damage, LOL! Truth be told the BASIC MD was some of the easiest kills I have ever got in this game to date(To be fair I never used a FoTM)




I end this with...You were saying?

Anything in any game that can kill people in one shot should take skill to use. Splash damage is not a problem in itself but it needs steeper falloff, so that at the edge of the splash radius it basically does nothing.

I used to use mass drivers way back in Codex and they were just fine back then. I still don't understand why the clip was increased 2 shots from the original 4 to the current 6.

Anything in any game that can kill people in one shot should take skill to use. Splash damage is not a problem in itself but it needs steeper falloff, so that at the edge of the splash radius it basically does nothing.

Mass Driver: A weapon where you can literally miss with ALL your shots, and STILL kill the opponent.

Mass Driver: A weapon where you can literally miss with ALL your shots, and STILL kill the opponent.

And yet, it's defenders adamantly swear that its not OP.

LOL thats what a mass driver is designed for

Anything in any game that can kill people in one shot should take skill to use. Splash damage is not a problem in itself but it needs steeper falloff, so that at the edge of the splash radius it basically does nothing.

I used to use mass drivers way back in Codex and they were just fine back then. I still don't understand why the clip was increased 2 shots from the original 4 to the current 6.

they nerfed the rate of fire thats why.

I must be really bad because I am really bad with the MD.

Really bad.

I'll stick with my shotgun and pistol.

GET A JOB!

This wasn't a troll thread. This is what started my war on crutchinism



I was trying to prove a point that ANYBODY can pick pick up the basic MD and do good with it.(Including somebody who only has ONE level into the entire MD tree and has never used a Grenade launcher a day in his life in any shooter dating back since Socom2 on Playstation2) I even just ran around blindly like I do with AR I was running and gunning and was far more effective with the BASIC Mass Driver than I was with the Duvolle Assault Rifle.



This is EXACTLY my point. The noobs require a crutch. They require a gun that does not take any aim whatsoever to use. A gun where you can just shoot in the general direction of your opponent(s) and not care if you hit the enemy or not because you still do a crazy amount of damage (crazy for NOT landing the shot over 100dmg)



Yes, it was "CLEARLY" difficult to aim and manipulate the splash damage, LOL! Truth be told the BASIC MD was some of the easiest kills I have ever got in this game to date(To be fair I never used a FoTM)




I end this with...You were saying?

Your scientific approach lacks validity. One sample is not enough.

Im sorry Xero.

I was doing games like this all day yesterday I just didn't wanna flood 10 different pics if you like I can do it again and post 20 pics?

Well, yes, I should hope you do that. For science!

I ran MD logi on my main in chromosome and recall MD is far more effective when squadmates are there to resupply ammo, drop shields, provide distraction, and cover you while you reload. Also, friendly fire all but nullifies it's utility as a godmode support weapon.

Run lonewolf or post PC pics.

It's a gun that is designed to miss ALL your shots and still be a effective killer? Get real. There's a reason why your corp died.

Mass Drivers is a AOE weapon, designed for area denial.

your argument is invalid, get back in the kitchen and make me a sammich.

Wish to be more like Cubs. A area denial is just another crutch scrubs way of trying to give it purpose. It still rewards you in 1v1 far more than any gun. It's the only gun that teaches it's users that you don't need to shoot the target you just need to keep shooting grenades in the area.

Its an AOE weapon, do you even understand the concept of AOE??

It means Area of Effect, no one goes into a game with a mass driver with the intentions of direct hitting everything. You should focus your tears on truely OP weapons like contact nades, AV nades or Forgeguns

A weapon that can kill 4 guys just as easily as it wins 1v4 I am sorry but that is OP if I ever heard of any OP weapon. It has absolutely NO drawbacks.

I was doing games like this all day yesterday I just didn't wanna flood 10 different pics if you like I can do it again and post 20 pics?

It's a gun that is designed to miss ALL your shots and still be a effective killer? Get real. There's a reason why your corp died.

It's hilarious isn't it? These guys are the worst players in Dust and know once it's taken away they will have to latch onto a new FOTM.

But two threads on the same topic is okay? Or dose your ego need that much stroking?

Actually, this isn't true some of them are using tactics (squad level) to beat you. I purposely run the Scrambler Rifle to strip the shield of our opponents, while my squad-mate then finishes them with the Mass Driver. Its not our fault that a lot of the player base expects their shields to save them, or are armor tanks.

We came up with the tactic to keep each other safe, and make up for the weaknesses of our chosen weapons.

Rofl again you still have no valid argument. You're still ignoring that with the assault rifle you don't have to worry about the elevation, distance and the area. with the mass driver there's many things that come to place. Your ignoring the fact that the assault rifle still is more effective in all situations. I've people snipe with the AR, it's good for long range mid range and even cqc hip fire. but youre mad because a grenade launcher isnt design to be "direct damage" ha funny. So you're also ignoring that the fact that armor is under powered. It's not the mass driver faults. And yet your little post you did going 31-2 or whatever it was still doesn't prove shyt. Just proves that you're a pubstomper and I bet you used proto gear and mods lol. Okay. just stop crying its making you look so bad. And please don't say I look bad because I use the mass driver because I already shown everyone countless times that I'm speced into almost alll of the weapons in dust. Mass driver is just level 3. And now my new main is the nova knife. But again you're implying that it's a noob move to use the mass driver? Ha Okay, and um you don't miss all shots you dumb fk. You still have to aim. The grenades don't magically follow you, and the farther the range the harder unlike the assault rifle. Did I mentiom that it has slowed travel time and slow rof and low ammo. You have to rely on nano hives. Also everyone can outlive the ammo supply of the mass driver. So um yeah? You were saying

The point requires much attention is all. Crutches need to be taken away. Shooters should require skill.

With MD you don't have to worry about Elevation at all... I was destroying people 3v1 flat ground.... Try again mudalover!

1 9 page thread along with all the others on forums inst attention enough? CCP collects kill data, if they see an unbalance the will fix it. They don't need you screaming like a petulant child to see something is wrong. Making the same tread two days in a row isnt going to accomplish anything when its going to be a couple of months until MD's could be tweaked anyway.

It's a gun that is designed to miss ALL your shots and still be a effective killer? Get real. There's a reason why your corp died.

And elevation doesn't matter? Lawl ignorant fool. Try taking someone out that's on a hill sniping you with his assault rifle. Please your just a attention wh'ore that died to many times because you decided to stand still while shooting

And my weapon if choice is easy? Ha. This coming from a assault rifle user.
Guess what I also use the nova knife. Is that easy as well?

I have never ran a fully dispersion-damped, proficiency-amped duvolle. Were i to pubstomp with a full squad and then post pics to "prove" it is easy -mode me thinks you would be just as defensive as these guys...

If the enemy is at elevation why would you waist you time on him? It's clear that with your gun you can't do anything avoiding ONE guy and leaving him for a teammate is not something worth trying to use as a defense.

No troll aside. Nomatter what I do they will still defend it. They won't admit that it's a easy gun to use. Even if I run solo and have good games, they will always bring up some more hurdles. Well maybe you were camping, maybe you avoided the good players. If I had record equipment and got video. Well maybe it was edited. It will ALWAYS be something.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6fVHZFjnmA

This is an Extra Credits video about balancing for skill. It really touches on the points you're trying to make. I don't particularly agree with you, but there certainly is a need for a sort of "noob tube" weapon in Dust. If the MD was that, then the game should really point players in that direction. Not just let them incidentally drift towards it.