DUST Search - Could a Heavy please explain to me....

oso tiburon wrote:

Knight Soiaire wrote:

How the HMG is underpowered?

Whenever I get into CQC with these things they tear me apart, taking my down in atleast a second or less. Even when I try run they still do incredible damage.

So whats the deal with it, and how does it deserve a damage buff?

you probably are a gallente or ammar user so this wouldnt really make sense / but ill speak slowly

we all know that the different weapons deal different damage to certain types of hp
i.e hybrid good for both . energy good vs shields . projectile good vs armor .
ok follow me here

as heavys we have only one yes count only one type of true anit infantry weapon (the forge gun is not considered a.i.)

now count how many different flavors of suits we have ..... one thats right people one
ok not bitching
now take my ammar hybrid heavy against a cal assult or logi take into account the fect i have a -10 % damage modifyer against shields ok now take into the effect that still 60 % of players out there run cal suits and the hmg hes the lowest dps out of all the weapons .
now ive been a heavy since chromosone im not crying for a buff or nerf just understand when i pull out my forge gun while i see 12 cal assults and logis running around with mass drivers why thats going on

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oso tiburon The Generals EoN. 192	Posted - 2013.08.08 18:15:00 - [31] - Quote Knight Soiaire wrote: How the HMG is underpowered? Whenever I get into CQC with these things they tear me apart, taking my down in atleast a second or less. Even when I try run they still do incredible damage. So whats the deal with it, and how does it deserve a damage buff? you probably are a gallente or ammar user so this wouldnt really make sense / but ill speak slowly we all know that the different weapons deal different damage to certain types of hp i.e hybrid good for both . energy good vs shields . projectile good vs armor . ok follow me here as heavys we have only one yes count only one type of true anit infantry weapon (the forge gun is not considered a.i.) now count how many different flavors of suits we have ..... one thats right people one ok not bitching now take my ammar hybrid heavy against a cal assult or logi take into account the fect i have a -10 % damage modifyer against shields ok now take into the effect that still 60 % of players out there run cal suits and the hmg hes the lowest dps out of all the weapons . now ive been a heavy since chromosone im not crying for a buff or nerf just understand when i pull out my forge gun while i see 12 cal assults and logis running around with mass drivers why thats going on
oso tiburon The Generals EoN. 192	Posted - 2013.08.08 18:16:00 - [32] - Quote oso tiburon wrote: Knight Soiaire wrote: How the HMG is underpowered? Whenever I get into CQC with these things they tear me apart, taking my down in atleast a second or less. Even when I try run they still do incredible damage. So whats the deal with it, and how does it deserve a damage buff? you probably are a gallente or ammar user so this wouldnt really make sense / but ill speak slowly we all know that the different weapons deal different damage to certain types of hp i.e hybrid good for both . energy good vs shields . projectile good vs armor . ok follow me here as heavys we have only one yes count only one type of true anit infantry weapon (the forge gun is not considered a.i.) now count how many different flavors of suits we have ..... one thats right people one ok not bitching now take my ammar hybrid heavy against a cal assult or logi take into account the fect i have a -10 % damage modifyer against shields ok now take into the effect that still 60 % of players out there run cal suits and the hmg hes the lowest dps out of all the weapons . now ive been a heavy since chromosone im not crying for a buff or nerf just understand when i pull out my forge gun while i see 12 cal assults and logis running around with mass drivers why thats going on we dont need a buff we need the rest of our suits and weapons long story short and real heavys aint cryin for nothing we are used to being second class to the call of dusty players
oso tiburon The Generals EoN. 192	Posted - 2013.08.08 18:17:00 - [33] - Quote Kam Elto wrote: Knight Soiaire wrote: How the HMG is underpowered? Whenever I get into CQC with these things they tear me apart, taking my down in atleast a second or less. Even when I try run they still do incredible damage. So whats the deal with it, and how does it deserve a damage buff? it takes a few seconds of firing to get the bullet dispersion to it's minimum. so when you're running away the hmg is at it's maximum accuracy. you may be better off juking and jumping up close. we can't track enemies that well. btw kam gg last night
XOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXO XOXOXOXOXOXO Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 223	Posted - 2013.08.08 18:40:00 - [34] - Quote everyone wants to be invincible
XOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXO XOXOXOXOXOXO Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 223	Posted - 2013.08.08 18:42:00 - [35] - Quote oso tiburon wrote: Knight Soiaire wrote: How the HMG is underpowered? Whenever I get into CQC with these things they tear me apart, taking my down in atleast a second or less. Even when I try run they still do incredible damage. So whats the deal with it, and how does it deserve a damage buff? you probably are a gallente or ammar user so this wouldnt really make sense / but ill speak slowly we all know that the different weapons deal different damage to certain types of hp i.e hybrid good for both . energy good vs shields . projectile good vs armor . ok follow me here as heavys we have only one yes count only one type of true anit infantry weapon (the forge gun is not considered a.i.) now count how many different flavors of suits we have ..... one thats right people one ok not bitching now take my ammar hybrid heavy against a cal assult or logi take into account the fect i have a -10 % damage modifyer against shields ok now take into the effect that still 60 % of players out there run cal suits and the hmg hes the lowest dps out of all the weapons . now ive been a heavy since chromosone im not crying for a buff or nerf just understand when i pull out my forge gun while i see 12 cal assults and logis running around with mass drivers why thats going on heavy suit can fit any and every weapon there is to offer
Himiko Kuronaga SyNergy Gaming EoN. 1164	Posted - 2013.08.08 18:43:00 - [36] - Quote Knight Soiaire wrote: How the HMG is underpowered? Whenever I get into CQC with these things they tear me apart, taking my down in atleast a second or less. Even when I try run they still do incredible damage. So whats the deal with it, and how does it deserve a damage buff? Are you running straight at it? Because when last I checked if you attacked from behind we can't turn around in time in kill you. If you are a proto-assault with shield stacking and competent strafing, we can't tear down your shields before you kill us outright. Here's a better question -- why are you in CQC in the first place? As a lighter frame, you control the distance we fight at. So take a few steps back and there's nothing we can do but die. Here's another tip -- if we are forced to move, our accuracy and DPS drops completely. That means we cannot strafe in combat without losing more than half of our effectiveness. So why are you losing to an enemy that is standing still? If we are not standing still, why is your health so low that we're able to kill you?
Rusty Shallows Black Jackals 234	Posted - 2013.08.08 18:55:00 - [37] - Quote Knight Soiaire wrote: How the HMG is underpowered? Whenever I get into CQC with these things they tear me apart, taking my down in atleast a second or less. Even when I try run they still do incredible damage. So whats the deal with it, and how does it deserve a damage buff? More data please. Yesterday I got up close behind someone hacking an objective, tossed a flux, and it still took more than a second to kill someone stationary up close (HMG Prof 4, enhanced damage mod, baseline adv weapon). From experience I could have killed him quicker with my SMG or an AR. My Toxin to the head of a stationary target eats through armor.
Poplo Furuya Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 592	Posted - 2013.08.08 18:59:00 - [38] - Quote Been using it a bit more recently, been getting results. Speedfitted ADV Basic, two Complex Kinetic Catalysts, one Complex Damage, STD HMG, 6.7 m/s sprint. A heavy blitzer essentially. The recoil and restriction on aiming can be mitigated without losing accuracy by feathering a little on the trigger. Medium range precision is better than you'd think... shoot for half a second while strafing then zero in on the head and crouch. It sounds silly but what will actually happen is your accuracy will increase so sharply that every single round will pile into their head killing them nigh-instantly. Speed heavy is also great fun for ambushing if you play the terrain. No-one expects speed heavy. Lack of rep is the price paid but I think it's worth it. Controlling range and the terms of engagement with a HMG is wonderful, especially if you can also seize the element of surprise.
I-Shayz-I Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic 577	Posted - 2013.08.08 19:08:00 - [39] - Quote The bullets don't register (do damage) unless the dot in the center of our reticule turns red. Go test this out guys, I'm speaking the truth here. It's probably what is making our weapon feel "underpowered" right now
Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming EoN. 3338	Posted - 2013.08.08 19:11:00 - [40] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: HMG's shred at CQC, have decent damage at medium range (In fact, it rivals the DPS of AR's at that range) and only after that it starts suffering. I use this weapon when I feel like having mindless shoot outs. no. On paper it does, but paper stats doesn't equate the amount of dispersion and the length of time it takes to get decent accuracy.

I-Shayz-I Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic 577	Posted - 2013.08.08 19:14:00 - [41] - Quote Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: Cat Merc wrote: HMG's shred at CQC, have decent damage at medium range (In fact, it rivals the DPS of AR's at that range) and only after that it starts suffering. I use this weapon when I feel like having mindless shoot outs. no. On paper it does, but paper stats doesn't equate the amount of dispersion and the length of time it takes to get decent accuracy. Oh, and that dispersion doesn't even do damage. Bullets don't register unless we are directly aiming at a player and the dot turns red.
Heathen Bastard Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 457	Posted - 2013.08.08 19:42:00 - [42] - Quote The way I get kills is suppressive fire and idiots. watch for the chevron to approach to corner, hold down trigger, wait for numbnuts to walk into it. if they're smart and wait for you to go through a few bullets, hold off for about 2-3 seconds, makes them think you're reloading. then they pop out and you open fire, catching them off guard. also, ALWAYS CROUCH! seriously, the thing kicks like a mule if you're standing. crouching though, what recoil? there's recoil? I can't hear you over the sound of how awesome this gun is to fire!
calvin b Molon Labe. League of Infamy 222	Posted - 2013.08.08 21:15:00 - [43] - Quote The HMG is a joke 10M or more away. I have to spend over two hundred rounds just to weaken someone so someone can still my kill. Its not so much the damage its the fact you have to put this little white dot right on target or you get squat for you effort. Also range is terrible bump it up another 20M and I would be happy. We get outgunned by range by a freakin shotgun. I used to fire 50 caliber HMG in the USMC have you ever seen what these can do to a human or even a light armored vehicle, this gun is a joke. There is a reason snipers use 50 caliber sniper rifles to kill the enemy, you don't even need to hit center target. All it takes is one round to hit your leg or arm and well lets says its not pretty.


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