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Ulf Elikyn The Crew43 0	Posted - 2013.08.07 12:57:00 - [1] - Quote This is one of the major and most stupid topics to be brought up on/in EVE Dust 514. When you start off "blueberry" you play to learn the game and earn SP. Now that's you've grown your character and know everything about the game; such as which character you find the best, equipment you wish to use ect. now you have to play 2 months just to start getting the things you want. NOW WHY ARE THE IGNORANT BEING PUNISHED. I take that as a giant middle finger to me Mr. Game operators. Personally I am quitting the game until at least 1 SP re-set is issued per character. "seems reasonable" I ask everyone to join me in this or well just see how much the game cares about players, PAYING players at that.
TheAmazing FlyingPig Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 2337	Posted - 2013.08.07 13:01:00 - [2] - Quote In protest to this thread, I will be buying a merc pack. Also, who do you think a respec would benefit more? Those with 15m SP or those with 2m SP? FotM hoppers ftw.
low genius the sound of freedom Renegade Alliance 253	Posted - 2013.08.07 13:01:00 - [3] - Quote no respecs, ever. players need to make better informed decisions.
Mobius Wyvern Guardian Solutions 2916	Posted - 2013.08.07 13:02:00 - [4] - Quote Ulf Elikyn wrote: This is one of the major and most stupid topics to be brought up on/in EVE Dust 514. When you start off "blueberry" you play to learn the game and earn SP. Now that's you've grown your character and know everything about the game; such as which character you find the best, equipment you wish to use ect. now you have to play 2 months just to start getting the things you want. NOW WHY ARE THE IGNORANT BEING PUNISHED. I take that as a giant middle finger to me Mr. Game operators. Personally I am quitting the game until at least 1 SP re-set is issued per character. "seems reasonable" I ask everyone to join me in this or well just see how much the game cares about players, PAYING players at that. Guy, I feel for you, but you really shouldn't put "WHY ARE THE IGNORANT BEING PUNISHED" in the middle of your post. This is the internet after all, and that's just leaving yourself wide open to get flamed. TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: In protest to this thread, I will be buying a merc pack. Also, who do you think a respec would benefit more? Those with 15m SP or those with 2m SP? FotM hoppers ftw. This is what all these people seem to be unable to consider.
RedRebelCork Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 304	Posted - 2013.08.07 13:04:00 - [5] - Quote There should be a one-off for newer players, say after 1 million SP. This to somewhat compensate them for the awful lack of a tutorial or in-game support to help you figure all this out. Played with 2 randoms last night who had the same exact problem. They were learning the ropes in the academy skilling into different things to try them out and only realised too late that trying things out is "stupid".
falzar102 Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 6	Posted - 2013.08.07 13:13:00 - [6] - Quote Ulf Elikyn wrote: This is one of the major and most stupid topics to be brought up on/in EVE Dust 514. When you start off "blueberry" you play to learn the game and earn SP. Now that's you've grown your character and know everything about the game; such as which character you find the best, equipment you wish to use ect. now you have to play 2 months just to start getting the things you want. NOW WHY ARE THE IGNORANT BEING PUNISHED. I take that as a giant middle finger to me Mr. Game operators. Personally I am quitting the game until at least 1 SP re-set is issued per character. "seems reasonable" I ask everyone to join me in this or well just see how much the game cares about players, PAYING players at that. LOL, this is just like eve online where rookies start investing SP in mining as they receive 5000isk for mining an asteroid. Then discover that mining in slow and not really a good idea. I see you have skilled "moaning like a girl" to level 5 already.
Crusty Fat Bastard IQQ all day 11	Posted - 2013.08.07 13:13:00 - [7] - Quote Bye, dont let the door hit you on your way out
KEROSIINI-TERO Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 645	Posted - 2013.08.07 15:09:00 - [8] - Quote Going onto the respec road is a never ending one. You want to open new things? PLAY the game, get new SP. You can gain a lot per week, as much as about 600k with boosters. A bit patience as Master Yoda instructed.
ZDub 303 TeamPlayers EoN. 1511	Posted - 2013.08.07 15:10:00 - [9] - Quote low genius wrote: no respecs, ever. players need to make better informed decisions. informed decisions? When CCP changes everything on a monthly basis? what a joke.
TheAmazing FlyingPig Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 2344	Posted - 2013.08.07 15:12:00 - [10] - Quote ZDub 303 wrote: low genius wrote: no respecs, ever. players need to make better informed decisions. informed decisions? When CCP changes everything on a monthly basis? what a joke. They change things when an item is being used better outside of its intended role instead of what it was meant for, flaylocks and cal logi being the most recent examples.

Bad Heal ROGUE SPADES EoN. 49	Posted - 2013.08.07 15:18:00 - [11] - Quote TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: ZDub 303 wrote: low genius wrote: no respecs, ever. players need to make better informed decisions. informed decisions? When CCP changes everything on a monthly basis? what a joke. They change things when an item is being used better outside of its intended role instead of what it was meant for, flaylocks and cal logi being the most recent examples. LOL "intended role" hilarious! Better take my gun if you want me to stop calogi killing
Beowulf Folkvar HavoK Core RISE of LEGION 22	Posted - 2013.08.07 15:19:00 - [12] - Quote RedRebelCork wrote: There should be a one-off for newer players, say after 1 million SP. This to somewhat compensate them for the awful lack of a tutorial or in-game support to help you figure all this out. Played with 2 randoms last night who had the same exact problem. They were learning the ropes in the academy skilling into different things to try them out and only realised too late that trying things out is "stupid". I agree. Us vets wnt really benefit from a respec but we all remember how hard it was at first, and to help these new players and to keep them around I think a respec at 1 or 2 mil sp would help
Kadar Saeleid M.T.A.C Assault Operations Command 42	Posted - 2013.08.07 15:20:00 - [13] - Quote Although I agree that many of us would welcome a respec, no one will take you seriously in the adult world if you throw tantrums and make childish threats. Hate to be so frank here, but any steam this may have gotten was crushed the minute you went from concerned customer to whiny kid.
Oso Peresoso RisingSuns 557	Posted - 2013.08.07 15:21:00 - [14] - Quote Ulf Elikyn wrote: Personally I am quitting the game until at least 1 SP re-set is issued per character. "seems reasonable" I ask everyone to join me in this or well just see how much the game cares about players, PAYING players at that. Go ahead, just be sure to come back! You'll have extra passive SP banked. I'm personally in the no-respec crowd, but I wouldn't be surprised or upset if we get one more within the next 1 year.
Beowulf Folkvar HavoK Core RISE of LEGION 22	Posted - 2013.08.07 15:21:00 - [15] - Quote KEROSIINI-TERO wrote: Going onto the respec road is a never ending one. You want to open new things? PLAY the game, get new SP. You can gain a lot per week, as much as about 600k with boosters. A bit patience as Master Yoda instructed. If we could all afford boosters then we wouldnt be playing a free game
TheAmazing FlyingPig Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 2347	Posted - 2013.08.07 15:25:00 - [16] - Quote Bad Heal wrote: TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: ZDub 303 wrote: low genius wrote: no respecs, ever. players need to make better informed decisions. informed decisions? When CCP changes everything on a monthly basis? what a joke. They change things when an item is being used better outside of its intended role instead of what it was meant for, flaylocks and cal logi being the most recent examples. LOL "intended role" hilarious! Better take my gun if you want me to stop calogi killing I never said that logi's are not meant to get kills. They just weren't meant to outperform assault suits in the assault role.
Aizen Intiki Ghost Wolf Industries Alpha Wolf Pack 355	Posted - 2013.08.07 15:26:00 - [17] - Quote They already said no. So, you can stop now.
Jake Bloodworth DUST University Ivy League 69	Posted - 2013.08.07 15:27:00 - [18] - Quote Ahem... No, you are not entitled to a respec! The arguments are many and varied against respecs. The arguments for are always the same, and always flawed. You are able to gain an unending amount of SP. You are also able, as a functioning human being, to make choices and live with those choices. If you don't like your character... make a new one. If you don't like where you spent your SP... play the game and earn more.
ZDub 303 TeamPlayers EoN. 1512	Posted - 2013.08.07 15:30:00 - [19] - Quote TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: ZDub 303 wrote: low genius wrote: no respecs, ever. players need to make better informed decisions. informed decisions? When CCP changes everything on a monthly basis? what a joke. They change things when an item is being used better outside of its intended role instead of what it was meant for, flaylocks and cal logi being the most recent examples. In the next two months, every single logi suit (possibly every medium suit), every single AV weapon, and every single vehicle will be changed. Its very possible every infantry suit will be rebalanced in the 'infantry balance pass of 1.4" and even if they don't, after logi changes in 1.4, there will still need to be scout changes and possibly some heavy changes. After racial variants come out, there will once again probably have to be a rebalance pass for those suits/vehicles. Informed decisions my ass, NOTHING you spec into will be the same by the end of the year.
Crashy Mc Boom-bewm Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 9	Posted - 2013.08.07 15:31:00 - [20] - Quote low genius wrote: no respecs, ever. players need to make better informed decisions. What if somebody got on your account and used all your sp for crap you didn't want or need? I request just 1 respec and no others, cause half my sp is stuck in stuff I don't even need that I didn't even put it in to

Eris Ernaga Super Nerds 389	Posted - 2013.08.07 16:10:00 - [21] - Quote Ulf Elikyn wrote: This is one of the major and most stupid topics to be brought up on/in EVE Dust 514. When you start off "blueberry" you play to learn the game and earn SP. Now that's you've grown your character and know everything about the game; such as which character you find the best, equipment you wish to use ect. now you have to play 2 months just to start getting the things you want. NOW WHY ARE THE IGNORANT BEING PUNISHED. I take that as a giant middle finger to me Mr. Game operators. Personally I am quitting the game until at least 1 SP re-set is issued per character. "seems reasonable" I ask everyone to join me in this or well just see how much the game cares about players, PAYING players at that. Makes since to a degree skill planning in Dust is suppose to be long term some players pick up sooner then other. To me this is a call to CCP to make it easier on noobs better tutorials, more starting sp, skill tree tutorials, etc etc...
Sleepy Shadow L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION 48	Posted - 2013.08.07 17:25:00 - [22] - Quote Crashy Mc Boom-bewm wrote: low genius wrote: no respecs, ever. players need to make better informed decisions. What if somebody got on your account and used all your sp for crap you didn't want or need? I request just 1 respec and no others, cause half my sp is stuck in stuff I don't even need that I didn't even put it in to I mean no offence but this is by far the weirdest explanation, to date, on behalf of respec. You donGÇÖt protect your account with a password, or more likely someone in your household has free access to your PS3 with the password neatly saved there, and for that you should get a respec? Because someone you most likely know went and played the game on your account, with or without your permission, and did something stupid? What would you do if this same person had played any other game you have on your console and hindered your progress? I feel sorry for you if you lost a lot of SP, but this is really not the correct reasoning for having one. It might be a good idea to allow new characters (letGÇÖs say under 2mil SP) to get one-time respec purely because they probably made some mistakes somewhere, but IGÇÖm still behind the guys that say GÇ£no respecsGÇ¥. Almost every game has something new you need to learn, how you want to learn them, is up to you.
CrotchGrab 360 187. 178	Posted - 2013.08.07 17:34:00 - [23] - Quote If people had tutorials and actually knew what to do with their SP then we wouldn't have as much of a problem and the minority that do mess up will be able to ask anybody for help and then buy that upgrade instead once they have the SP. I think that SP should be boosted at lower levels to make mistakes less painful for new players. There should also be some slightly stern message implemented within the tutorial which establishes the fact that unwise decisions can be costly. Without scaring the player away of course. Educated people make educated decisions.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 3513	Posted - 2013.08.07 18:05:00 - [24] - Quote You want an SP reset? Ok, fine by me. Enjoy starting over at zero SP. Just letting you know that in this community, a RESET is considered to be equivalent of starting over with ZERO SP for your character. What you are probably talking about is a RESPEC which basically allows you to rearrange the SP you already have. In that case, tough it up buttercup. You ain't getting any.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 3513	Posted - 2013.08.07 18:07:00 - [25] - Quote I agree that better tutorials and a training room is desperately needed to solve this.
Marc Rime Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 113	Posted - 2013.08.07 18:40:00 - [26] - Quote The problem isn't a lack of re-specs, it's that they remade the skill tree in Uprising making one necessary back then. Suddenly people could put a few months worth of SP into a single build (the SP sinks, increased cost and removal of generic skills didn't help ofc).
Billi Gene The Southern Legion 217	Posted - 2013.08.07 18:53:00 - [27] - Quote Crashy Mc Boom-bewm wrote: low genius wrote: no respecs, ever. players need to make better informed decisions. What if somebody got on your account and used all your sp for crap you didn't want or need? I request just 1 respec and no others, cause half my sp is stuck in stuff I don't even need that I didn't even put it in to what if someone got on your account and used your respec? btw OP, i have an alt i hardy play, with close to 3million SP, it has lv 5 in armor and shield upgrades, CPU and engineering. It also has lv5 in handheld weaponry upgrades. Currently i am still filling out all the other core skills that don't follow any specialisation, excluding vehicles. I'll sell her to you for $250 american :P :P /jk .. for now
low genius the sound of freedom Renegade Alliance 259	Posted - 2013.08.07 19:18:00 - [28] - Quote ZDub 303 wrote: low genius wrote: no respecs, ever. players need to make better informed decisions. informed decisions? When CCP changes everything on a monthly basis? what a joke. total cop-out. if you spent sp on a weapon that was obviously buffed, sorry about your luck. if you spent sp on a suit that was obviously poorly balanced, sorry about your luck. they've only changed things to keep them in line with where they should be. i've got 3 light weapons maxed out...
Luk Manag of Terror 65	Posted - 2013.08.07 19:20:00 - [29] - Quote It doesn't take very many SP to reach advanced. Just get some more SP, get advanced, and then you're ready to rock!
Xender17 Ahrendee Mercenaries Eon. 424	Posted - 2013.08.07 19:39:00 - [30] - Quote Topic revolted done

The Robot Devil Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 819	Posted - 2013.08.07 20:00:00 - [31] - Quote TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: In protest to this thread, I will be buying a merc pack. Also, who do you think a respec would benefit more? Those with 15m SP or those with 2m SP? FotM hoppers ftw. Some pig.
Crashy Mc Boom-bewm Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 9	Posted - 2013.08.07 20:04:00 - [32] - Quote Sleepy Shadow wrote: Crashy Mc Boom-bewm wrote: low genius wrote: no respecs, ever. players need to make better informed decisions. What if somebody got on your account and used all your sp for crap you didn't want or need? I request just 1 respec and no others, cause half my sp is stuck in stuff I don't even need that I didn't even put it in to I mean no offence but this is by far the weirdest explanation, to date, on behalf of respec. You donGÇÖt protect your account with a password, or more likely someone in your household has free access to your PS3 with the password neatly saved there, and for that you should get a respec? Because someone you most likely know went and played the game on your account, with or without your permission, and did something stupid? What would you do if this same person had played any other game you have on your console and hindered your progress? I don't have my password saved, I keep it somewhere hidden, but seeing as a respec is never going to happen again, I'll just have to find a better spot for my passwords. :( and I share my house with 3 other people who use the ps3 so I can't really protect others from using it.
Ninjanomyx One Who Bears Fangs At GOD 150	Posted - 2013.08.07 20:08:00 - [33] - Quote Jake Bloodworth wrote: Ahem... No, you are not entitled to a respec! The arguments are many and varied against respecs. The arguments for are always the same, and always flawed. You are able to gain an unending amount of SP. You are also able, as a functioning human being, to make choices and live with those choices. If you don't like your character... make a new one. If you don't like where you spent your SP... play the game and earn more. Skill Tree will be Altered. Respec Entailed. Flaw in Argument is not Present


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