Racial variants are coming

Blame the SP system.

Why in fucks name would I waste invaluable SP on a weapon I'm not familiar with?

**** that.

Why is there not a militia version of the scrambler rifle for people to try an alternative assault-class weapon?

And why would anyone spend extra SP to try a Scrambler Rifle when ARs only require Light Weapon Operation 1?
That's something else that needs to be looked at.

But not soon enough. This is quicker and easier.
Either way- once racial variants are out, I'm betting everything will have the "assault" variant, making them exactly the same as the vanilla ARs we have now, but with different damage types. Everyone will use those rather than what makes each rifle unique.

Besides, this applies to more than ARs. The vanilla variant reigns supreme for Forge Guns, Mass Drivers, Swarm Launchers, grenades, and Shotguns.

This.
All weapons need a militia version.
Also, starter fits need to be more race oriented. Caldari and Amarr starter fits should have militia Scrambler rifles and pistols. Gallente and Minmatar starter fits should have Assault rifles and SMGs. As more racial variants come out, the more race-specific the starter fits could be. I would suggest Plasma cannons to Gallente/Minmatar anti-armor starter fits, but not until they're viable.

I'll say right now that the last thing we need are yet more Militia items. The only way I could see this being okay is if we don't add in any more that can be purchased as BPOs, because the amount we have already is going to be bad for EVE integration.

As to the starter fits, I'm behind that 100%. As soon as all the weapons are there, we need to have a starter kit using the basic variant of each rifle, so that choosing a race isn't just choosing what Medium Militia suit you first get.

Make side variants more accessible- all of them should be available at level one.

Right now, this is AR 514- that wouldn't be so bad if we would see more than 1 kind of AR.

I know ARs are meant to be generalist weapons, but they shouldn't be as optimal as they are now- players should be encouraged to branch out into different weapons and variants, instead of staying with the easy-mode, do-it-all vanilla AR.

Personally, I believe specialists should have much more of an advantage over generalists than they do now. There's no good reason to use a breach over a vanilla AR, and no good reason to use an assault over a normal MD.
Right now, vanilla ARs are great in all situations- breach ARs aren't pounding them in CQC, burst ARs aren't dominating mid-range, and tactical ARs still only barely surpass them at mid-long range.

Things that should be done:

1. Make side variants more accessible- all of them should be available at level one. Ofc, I mean all tier 1 weapons of that type at level one. (You would be surprised how many people need this spelled out for them)
2. Improve specializations with a slight nerf to vanilla variants, and a slight buff to side variants. For example, a slight damage reduction on vanilla ARs and slight direct damage reduction on mass drivers; with this, a damage increase on burst ARs and RoF increase on breach mass drivers.
3. Lower the price on side variants to equal that of vanilla weapons. Simple enough, as long as specialist flaylocks get a change in their downside- the only difference between them and vanilla flaylocks is price.

I'm tired of seeing nothing but GEKs and Duvolles on the killfeed.

I'm sorry I just can't take someone who does not participate in PC seriously.

Your feedback is void and worthless

buff the laser

Blame the SP system.

Why in fucks name would I waste invaluable SP on a weapon I'm not familiar with?

**** that.

CCP is having a really having a hard time getting the weapons right from jump. Internal testing says it's fine. Then the masses gethold of it then CCP nerfs the bleep out of it WTF.

All the weapons need to be tweaked and viable so we can see more weapon diversity. I don't think CCP knows how to balance weapons TBH.

We are screwed everyone uses the safe bet approach.

I love CCP for Eve but dust is a lol game. What was the purpose of the beta?

Sounds to me like CCP has bad internal testers. They are probably trying to use the weapon as intended instead of actively trying to exploit it. You have to remember the internet is full of pricks, if something can be exploited it is going to be exploited to hell and back. This is the mindset their testers need.

Sounds to me like CCP has bad internal testers. They are probably trying to use the weapon as intended instead of actively trying to exploit it. You have to remember the internet is full of pricks, if something can be exploited it is going to be exploited to hell and back. This is the mindset their testers need.

Which brings up the question: how is the Plasma cannon so terrible? Maybe the "pre-nerf" theory was correct. It's no joke when we say people were crying "OP" before it was even released.

My best bet is CCP was thinking back to the days of dumb fire swarms, and figured anything that dumb fires missiles would be exploited (but look the other way if its a sidearm )

Right now, this is AR 514- that wouldn't be so bad if we would see more than 1 kind of AR.

I know ARs are meant to be generalist weapons, but they shouldn't be as optimal as they are now- players should be encouraged to branch out into different weapons and variants, instead of staying with the easy-mode, do-it-all vanilla AR.

Personally, I believe specialists should have much more of an advantage over generalists than they do now. There's no good reason to use a breach over a vanilla AR, and no good reason to use an assault over a normal MD.
Right now, vanilla ARs are great in all situations- breach ARs aren't pounding them in CQC, burst ARs aren't dominating mid-range, and tactical ARs still only barely surpass them at mid-long range.

Things that should be done:

1. Make side variants more accessible- all of them should be available at level one. Ofc, I mean all tier 1 weapons of that type at level one. (You would be surprised how many people need this spelled out for them)
2. Improve specializations with a slight nerf to vanilla variants, and a slight buff to side variants. For example, a slight damage reduction on vanilla ARs and slight direct damage reduction on mass drivers; with this, a damage increase on burst ARs and RoF increase on breach mass drivers.
3. Lower the price on side variants to equal that of vanilla weapons. Simple enough, as long as specialist flaylocks get a change in their downside- the only difference between them and vanilla flaylocks is price.

I'm tired of seeing nothing but GEKs and Duvolles on the killfeed.

Am I the only one who thinks that not much will actually change once racial variants of ARs are out?

Look at scrambler rifles- the few people who use them just go with assault scramblers, which are the same damn thing as vanilla assault rifles.

Its because unless they made the racial varients better than the current AR varients we have the only AR worth using is the automatic. SCR was good but changes in 1.2 destroyed its effectiveness for me so I went to ASCR.

When CCP releases all weapon variants and types and gives a RESPEC at that time, and making the weapons do what they should do, GAR high dps/ low range, CRR low dps/high range then you will see diversity.

I could really get behind investing in weapons by type when it comes to Operation, maybe also for reload/ammo/fitting skills?

Hybrid: AR, SMG, Plasma Cannon, Shotgun, Nova Knives, HMG
Energy: Laser Rifle, Scrambler Rifle/Pistol.
Explosive: Mass Driver, Flaylocks, Swarm Launchers.

Not sure where FG would go. Energy would be best gameplay wise but not so much in terms of lore.

The basic idea is you're getting a set of weapons for your investment to bounce between as you see fit. The aim is to partially mitigate the pressure to go all-in on a single weapon and only ever using that one. Investing in other packages beside your first choice also becomes less costly and more appealing.

The problem is CCP is balancng the game based on whats out. Making the pwer variations between the weapons seem not diverse. I am scared that this will affect any new weapon released because assault rifle users hate when anything not assault rifle kills them

I didn't know about that, wasn't using the Scrambler before. What changes messed it up?

Right now, this is AR 514- that wouldn't be so bad if we would see more than 1 kind of AR.

I know ARs are meant to be generalist weapons, but they shouldn't be as optimal as they are now- players should be encouraged to branch out into different weapons and variants, instead of staying with the easy-mode, do-it-all vanilla AR.

Personally, I believe specialists should have much more of an advantage over generalists than they do now. There's no good reason to use a breach over a vanilla AR, and no good reason to use an assault over a normal MD.
Right now, vanilla ARs are great in all situations- breach ARs aren't pounding them in CQC, burst ARs aren't dominating mid-range, and tactical ARs still only barely surpass them at mid-long range.

Things that should be done:

1. Make side variants more accessible- all of them should be available at level one. Ofc, I mean all tier 1 weapons of that type at level one. (You would be surprised how many people need this spelled out for them)
2. Improve specializations with a slight nerf to vanilla variants, and a slight buff to side variants. For example, a slight damage reduction on vanilla ARs and slight direct damage reduction on mass drivers; with this, a damage increase on burst ARs and RoF increase on breach mass drivers.
3. Lower the price on side variants to equal that of vanilla weapons. Simple enough, as long as specialist flaylocks get a change in their downside- the only difference between them and vanilla flaylocks is price.

I'm tired of seeing nothing but GEKs and Duvolles on the killfeed.

Blame the SP system.

Why in fucks name would I waste invaluable SP on a weapon I'm not familiar with?

**** that.

Don't worry after this cap is hit everybody will have Mass drivers.