DUST Search - Respec'ing

Morph Kni wrote:

I just think that I should be allowed to invest my sp into what I want, NOT what you want or what CCP wants, ok? I thought that was part of the game? As for it not taking that much sp to get a weapon and suit to max I actually don't agree with that statement. I think one weapon and suit is about what just over 4mil? maybe 5? That's not too much I know but its still a good chunk of sp? So for you to say don't invest in the "top" stuff so that I don't have my equipment nerfed is bs, because as you should have been able to figure out is there is always a "top" gun, suit, whatever and I personally just get fed up with people bitching about it then having it absolutely desecrated. ie lazer rifle what a great gun to have in a game , specifically a game like this. Yet who in their right mind would skill into that junk now. Overall I don't even care about a complete refund or do I want to see them as they introduce the "new" equipment and etc into the game. All I want is to have my sp back when you take something any of us have spent sp into and screw with it. That goes for everything in this game. Tinker, alter, adjust go ahead, I don't care but don't let us suffer for your decisions your changes that's just not right. You change the tanks around then give the tankers the sp back, you nerf the assault rifle users then give them the sp back etc, I actually don't think this is that hard or wrong to want. Why would you ever say to someone paying to play your game, we don't want to accommodate, just deal with it? I guess I just see the Pro's side of things not the Neg's but that is a good thing to look at too. Would you guys be kind enough to help me list the pro's and cons?

Pro-
Don't get stuck grinding more sp to try and get back what as just taken away from you
Experience more of what the game has to offer, weapons, vehicles, equip etc.
Choose what best fits "you" and "your" play style and if we change a weapon or suit or vehicle that was your style and it no longer is, your not forced to play "are" style

anyways Ill check back with more, but those who are against are respec when something is changed after you spent sp into it, please list your cons and what effect this has on the game. I would like to know why it would hurt dust514 to not have those sp refunded.

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Morph Kni SVER True Blood 5	Posted - 2013.08.06 21:46:00 - [1] - Quote We need to be able to change our points around OR at least refund the points we have spent. When u said you were done and there would be NO more respecs YOU NEVER SAID ONCE THAT AS SOON AS WE SPENT OUR POINTS YOU WOULD FLIP/CHANGE/ALTER/ AND COMPLETELY DESTROY WHAT WE PUT OUR POINTS INTO. That's just plain bullsh&%. Either give us a respect when your done f'n with the game so that we actually put points into what we want NOT WHAT YOU WANT. This game is for us to pay and play correct ? Yet every time I have spent my points, you have changed and sh*& on what I have now invested into. STOP CHANGING THE GAME OR GIVE US THE SP RESPEC OPTION PLEASE! Sincerely, a pissed off player who is tired of playing, paying, and investing a whole lot of time and skill points into what was once a smart investment, but is now a waste of space in the skill tree.
low genius the sound of freedom Renegade Alliance 252	Posted - 2013.08.06 21:57:00 - [2] - Quote no respecs. ever. this is eve.
Arkena Wyrnspire Turalyon 514 2379	Posted - 2013.08.06 22:02:00 - [3] - Quote No, **** off already. Sincerely, a player who is extremely tired of people crying that they specced into the FotM and got nerfed.
Aikuchi Tomaru Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 182	Posted - 2013.08.06 22:05:00 - [4] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: No, **** off already. Sincerely, a player who is extremely tired of people crying that they specced into the FotM and it got nerfed. Really. There is a new QQ-Thread every 2 hours. Can't they just use a single thread to whine?!
8213 Grade No.2 96	Posted - 2013.08.06 22:08:00 - [5] - Quote SP needs a plan before a player starts implementing it. But when the kinks are being worked out and some things drastically change, the SP should change as well. Perhaps a specific reset? For example: I would want a reset on all SP I put into shotguns. Perhaps give everyone a 5x lifetime respec tokens? You refund our ISK when skillbooks became rebalanced. Why not SP? I know the revenue of the game is based in SP, but you still have to do right by people. Its not like you're refunding AURUM or money spent.
Aikuchi Tomaru Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 182	Posted - 2013.08.06 22:20:00 - [6] - Quote 8213 wrote: You refund our ISK when skillbooks became rebalanced. Why not SP? I know the revenue of the game is based in SP, but you still have to do right by people. Its not like you're refunding AURUM or money spent. They did refund SP back then too. I don't see how it is necessary to refund them once more. I mean you get SP all the time. Having spend some already doesn't keep you from speccing something else. I got aboput 6.5 Million SP in 3 months. That is more than enough to get a Protosuit. And 3 months is not really that long. Especially because people don't really need instant Protogear (and to be honest: You won't use it all the time, because it's too expensive anyways). So how do you want to justify respecs? It only encourages using the FOTM or it comforts the lazyness of people. Also the supportskills like Engineering, Electronics, Shield, Armor and so on are something you only need to skill once. And this is what needs the most SP anyways. And everybody who doesn't skill this should really go back to the academy anyways. So were talking about people wanting to respec because they want maybe about 2 million SP back to use another suit or they want 2 million SP back to spec into another weapon. Really? It takes maybe a month, 2 at max if you don't use boosters, to get 2 million SP. Why do you want to respec for that?
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood 918	Posted - 2013.08.06 22:24:00 - [7] - Quote I'm kinda middle ground in this' on one side I laugh at those who skilled into the fotm to have an advantage knowing it would be balanced then crying when it happens. On the other hand I know that new weapons vehicles and suits are coming within the rest of the year (hopefully) and the 'NO RESPEC EVAAA' stance will cause trouble when those who have been waiting for new gear like the combat rifle and racial heavy suits are screwed over because idiot tryhards who play for their KDR (as if it even matters) decided they want to abuse the system like a bunch of twats. Really yall is it so hard to skill into what you enjoy playing instead of the 'most powerful' fit just to get ahead?
Aizen Intiki Ghost Wolf Industries Alpha Wolf Pack 351	Posted - 2013.08.06 23:42:00 - [8] - Quote THEY ALREADY SAID NO!!!!!!!!!
Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar Silver Bullet Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY 146	Posted - 2013.08.06 23:49:00 - [9] - Quote i think that when all of the weapons and suits are released they should respec, is bullcrap that they didnt release all the guns and suits at launch but said no more respecs ever when all of the fukin content isnt even out yet, we are all basically glorified beta testers still.
Aikuchi Tomaru Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 187	Posted - 2013.08.06 23:59:00 - [10] - Quote Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar wrote: i think that when all of the weapons and suits are released they should respec, is bullcrap that they didnt release all the guns and suits at launch but said no more respecs ever when all of the fukin content isnt even out yet, we are all basically glorified beta testers still. And why should they give a respec when all the suits and weapons are released? Speccing one single weapon or suit to the maximum doesn't cost that much SP. If you don't like any suit so far just spend your points into support skills you always need, instead of speccing into suits you don't want to use. I mean we are all aware that more stuff will be added later.

Smooth Assassin Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 26	Posted - 2013.08.07 00:36:00 - [11] - Quote low genius wrote: no respecs. ever. this is eve. This is dust
Killar-12 Molon Labe. League of Infamy 428	Posted - 2013.08.07 00:43:00 - [12] - Quote Morph Kni wrote: We need to be able to change our points around OR at least refund the points we have spent. When u said you were done and there would be NO more respecs YOU NEVER SAID ONCE THAT AS SOON AS WE SPENT OUR POINTS YOU WOULD FLIP/CHANGE/ALTER/ AND COMPLETELY DESTROY WHAT WE PUT OUR POINTS INTO. That's just plain bullsh&%. Either give us a respect when your done f'n with the game so that we actually put points into what we want NOT WHAT YOU WANT. This game is for us to pay and play correct ? Yet every time I have spent my points, you have changed and sh*& on what I have now invested into. STOP CHANGING THE GAME OR GIVE US THE SP RESPEC OPTION PLEASE! Sincerely, a pissed off player who is tired of playing, paying, and investing a whole lot of time and skill points into what was once a smart investment, but is now a waste of space in the skill tree. read the EULA they could even end the game and keep your money.
Morph Kni SVER True Blood 9	Posted - 2013.08.07 01:02:00 - [13] - Quote I just think that I should be allowed to invest my sp into what I want, NOT what you want or what CCP wants, ok? I thought that was part of the game? As for it not taking that much sp to get a weapon and suit to max I actually don't agree with that statement. I think one weapon and suit is about what just over 4mil? maybe 5? That's not too much I know but its still a good chunk of sp? So for you to say don't invest in the "top" stuff so that I don't have my equipment nerfed is bs, because as you should have been able to figure out is there is always a "top" gun, suit, whatever and I personally just get fed up with people bitching about it then having it absolutely desecrated. ie lazer rifle what a great gun to have in a game , specifically a game like this. Yet who in their right mind would skill into that junk now. Overall I don't even care about a complete refund or do I want to see them as they introduce the "new" equipment and etc into the game. All I want is to have my sp back when you take something any of us have spent sp into and screw with it. That goes for everything in this game. Tinker, alter, adjust go ahead, I don't care but don't let us suffer for your decisions your changes that's just not right. You change the tanks around then give the tankers the sp back, you nerf the assault rifle users then give them the sp back etc, I actually don't think this is that hard or wrong to want. Why would you ever say to someone paying to play your game, we don't want to accommodate, just deal with it? I guess I just see the Pro's side of things not the Neg's but that is a good thing to look at too. Would you guys be kind enough to help me list the pro's and cons? Pro- Don't get stuck grinding more sp to try and get back what as just taken away from you Experience more of what the game has to offer, weapons, vehicles, equip etc. Choose what best fits "you" and "your" play style and if we change a weapon or suit or vehicle that was your style and it no longer is, your not forced to play "are" style anyways Ill check back with more, but those who are against are respec when something is changed after you spent sp into it, please list your cons and what effect this has on the game. I would like to know why it would hurt dust514 to not have those sp refunded.
Aikuchi Tomaru Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 187	Posted - 2013.08.07 01:03:00 - [14] - Quote Smooth Assassin wrote: low genius wrote: no respecs. ever. this is eve. This is dust Full title of the game is Eve - Dust 514
Aikuchi Tomaru Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 187	Posted - 2013.08.07 01:07:00 - [15] - Quote Morph Kni wrote: I just think that I should be allowed to invest my sp into what I want, NOT what you want or what CCP wants, ok? I thought that was part of the game? As for it not taking that much sp to get a weapon and suit to max I actually don't agree with that statement. I think one weapon and suit is about what just over 4mil? maybe 5? That's not too much I know but its still a good chunk of sp? So for you to say don't invest in the "top" stuff so that I don't have my equipment nerfed is bs, because as you should have been able to figure out is there is always a "top" gun, suit, whatever and I personally just get fed up with people bitching about it then having it absolutely desecrated. ie lazer rifle what a great gun to have in a game , specifically a game like this. Yet who in their right mind would skill into that junk now. Overall I don't even care about a complete refund or do I want to see them as they introduce the "new" equipment and etc into the game. All I want is to have my sp back when you take something any of us have spent sp into and screw with it. That goes for everything in this game. Tinker, alter, adjust go ahead, I don't care but don't let us suffer for your decisions your changes that's just not right. You change the tanks around then give the tankers the sp back, you nerf the assault rifle users then give them the sp back etc, I actually don't think this is that hard or wrong to want. Why would you ever say to someone paying to play your game, we don't want to accommodate, just deal with it? I guess I just see the Pro's side of things not the Neg's but that is a good thing to look at too. Would you guys be kind enough to help me list the pro's and cons? Pro- Don't get stuck grinding more sp to try and get back what as just taken away from you Experience more of what the game has to offer, weapons, vehicles, equip etc. Choose what best fits "you" and "your" play style and if we change a weapon or suit or vehicle that was your style and it no longer is, your not forced to play "are" style anyways Ill check back with more, but those who are against are respec when something is changed after you spent sp into it, please list your cons and what effect this has on the game. I would like to know why it would hurt dust514 to not have those sp refunded. Your whole post just says one thing: you always wsnt to be able to spec the fotm. Also: it's your decision what you spec. Ccp isn't responsible if you spec a logi suit because you think it would make for a great assault suit. Grow up, life with your choices and play 3 months if you want to spec a new suit and weapon.
Aizen Intiki Ghost Wolf Industries Alpha Wolf Pack 351	Posted - 2013.08.07 01:11:00 - [16] - Quote It's like I'm a ghost........
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 3511	Posted - 2013.08.07 04:55:00 - [17] - Quote Tough luck.
ALPHA DECRIPTER M.E.R.C. Conventional Forces D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 236	Posted - 2013.08.07 05:28:00 - [18] - Quote I feel only give optional respecs when a new item is released and the respec should reflect the item. Example: commando When it came out it would've been nice to allow players the option to respec the sp spent in "sentinel" in order to make the change. When new racial variants of items are released then players should be able to spec out of the current variant and into the new if they so choose i.e. new tanks, racial weapons, the rest of the heavy races, and the other light frame races. (not like they was given a choice b4 as the item wasn't even available). I personally don't think I'll need one but the option would be nice. `Sigh. Just another fun game of DUST.
castba Penguin's March 52	Posted - 2013.08.07 05:51:00 - [19] - Quote Why would you need a respec when Sp is gained both passively and actively? Not to mention that there are boosters to speed acquisition of both active and passive SP as well as SP multiplier weeks. You will always gather more SP to waste on suits/skills you don't use. Just play and quit whining.
Namirial Kensai Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 5	Posted - 2013.08.07 07:21:00 - [20] - Quote Things in EVE are rebalanced all the time, things that screw over MANY players and soemtimes years of training and isk investment. there are not SP respecs. if you keep playing and training, eventually youll have enough trained that there really isnt even a point to respecs. thats how i am in EVE, trained up most ship and weapon types, so a respec wouldnt do me any good, as there would be nothing needing to be remapped to. point of the skill system is to generalize quickly, find what you enjoy/excel at, then specialize specialize SPECIALIZE, then exceed at that battlefield role while slowly branching out your SP investments to become more flexible in role. the ability to respec would undermine all of that, as people would just find out what the current "OP" build is, skill for that, and never bother with anything else, having to pick and choose what you learn means many people are having to use a wide cariety of fits, so imbalances and screwups are found more quickly.

ALPHA DECRIPTER M.E.R.C. Conventional Forces D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 236	Posted - 2013.08.07 11:48:00 - [21] - Quote Namirial Kensai wrote: Things in EVE are rebalanced all the time, things that screw over MANY players and soemtimes years of training and isk investment. there are not SP respecs. if you keep playing and training, eventually youll have enough trained that there really isnt even a point to respecs. thats how i am in EVE, trained up most ship and weapon types, so a respec wouldnt do me any good, as there would be nothing needing to be remapped to. point of the skill system is to generalize quickly, find what you enjoy/excel at, then specialize specialize SPECIALIZE, then exceed at that battlefield role while slowly branching out your SP investments to become more flexible in role. the ability to respec would undermine all of that, as people would just find out what the current "OP" build is, skill for that, and never bother with anything else, having to pick and choose what you learn means many people are having to use a wide cariety of fits, so imbalances and screwups are found more quickly. I suppose you do have a point there. ME: Scout Hacker -> Scout sniper -> Frontline scout -> Logi AV -> Logi medic -> speeders (hopefully) -> next scout suite -> rest of logi suits -> Commando -> dropship -> random crap. Lol this gonna take a hell of a lot of time but I'm patient. `Sigh. Just another fun game of DUST.
Tal-Rakken DUST University Ivy League 46	Posted - 2013.08.07 12:04:00 - [22] - Quote Morph Kni wrote: We need to be able to change our points around OR at least refund the points we have spent. When u said you were done and there would be NO more respecs YOU NEVER SAID ONCE THAT AS SOON AS WE SPENT OUR POINTS YOU WOULD FLIP/CHANGE/ALTER/ AND COMPLETELY DESTROY WHAT WE PUT OUR POINTS INTO. That's just plain bullsh&%. Either give us a respect when your done f'n with the game so that we actually put points into what we want NOT WHAT YOU WANT. This game is for us to pay and play correct ? Yet every time I have spent my points, you have changed and sh*& on what I have now invested into. STOP CHANGING THE GAME OR GIVE US THE SP RESPEC OPTION PLEASE! Sincerely, a pissed off player who is tired of playing, paying, and investing a whole lot of time and skill points into what was once a smart investment, but is now a waste of space in the skill tree. the tears.... oh the tears the game got a couple balancing passes stop your whining. respecs are made available when things like the ENTIRE SKILL TREE CHANGES not just a couple skills. anyone who has played eve for any length of time understands this although you still get people crying on the forums after most balancing changes. learn to adapt yourself to new tactics if the ones you were using no longer work.


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