DUST Search - [Suggestion] A really balanced respec system

Stands Alone wrote:

Hasa Hakira wrote:

Stands Alone wrote:

Hasa Hakira wrote:

Stands Alone wrote:

im pretty much for no respec... but if they were to let it up to player choice and not a global respec, then i would say. lose 20% sp and some aurum or very large amount of isk... anyone over like 10 mil would be throwing away over a month of playtime... even if you had 5 mil. 1 mil is a lot to throw away.

i like to keep things simple.

I don't think you guys (who suggest 20-25% loss in SP) realise how much that is ... like in time

20-25% means that if you have player 4-5 monts you lose 1 month of SP ... ONE MONTH of your like foreever lost ... nowhere to be found .

That would be a NO-NO suggestion for me Shocked

exactly... i do know how much time that is... maybe you should have planned SP better... then you wouldnt need a respec

I actually do not . Kinda posting this to make the game better for others you know it's not only about me and you per say

thats the draw of the game, its sense of permanence. its why i play EVE as well... then there is the "well this isnt EVE" babies...

all i can say is... i would not be opposed to a respec after this upcoming huge content adding rebalancing update... however... after that... we are done.. if anyone doesnt like it, then quit, this game is not for them, just like EVE is not for everyone.

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Hasa Hakira Dust2Dust. Top Men. 41	Posted - 2013.08.06 15:10:00 - [1] - Quote I will keep it short for it is not really that hard to explain what the idea is Basicly I just thought of a system that would allow us to PARTIALY respec some skills and correct involantary mistakes of clicking the wrong skill and putting SP in it . It goes like this : Players that play at least 1 match a day will gain 1 skill respec point that would allow them to remove 1 point that they have put in to a certain skill and for one reason or another they do not want anymore . For that 1 respec point you used you gain the full SP amount that you invested in the skill . That would be possible only once a day and would require you to be somehow active and not only stop playing for months to hoard tons of respec points just so u can respec . This system will : 1.Stop the whining in the forums about things beeing nerfd because people will now have the possibility to SLOWLY REinvest their skill points in another playstyle . 2.That type of system will prevent FAST and MASSIVE shifts in the playstyle of many people because it would not allow you to absolutly switch all your skills over a day . Thus creating a balanced respec system . 3.This is going to fix another common issue of putting points in the wrong tree or skill by mistake . YES alot of people are not very concentrated and make mistake like this (reading is a b****) I my self did a mistake like that a cause de beeing very late in the night and beeing tired as well . The results are going to be: >Immense system flexability >Happier community >No whining anymore (bow) >More satisfied costumers (people will now invest more in booster because they would be able to experiment more and have more freedom in their decisions without beeing so cautious about them) >People will start removing some points they think are useless to their style and putting them in another stat that was previously not revered as good , thus making TESTING new addtions to the game easier and improveeing the overall feedback the playrers give to the CCP DEVs. > Many more but I am lazy and I don't want a wall of text that no1 will read
Phantom Vaxer The Generals EoN. 76	Posted - 2013.08.06 15:18:00 - [2] - Quote I say partial respecs when Heavies and Scouts get all their racial suit option just like how medium suit users got all their options when Uprising hit with a respec. Its only fair.
Stands Alone Ultramarine Corp 59	Posted - 2013.08.06 15:27:00 - [3] - Quote no... 1 a day is too much.... respec = lose 20% of total SP... there... that way you can plan ahead and be awesome, or respec to the FOTM and stay at the same SP by the time they balance or add something else
RA Drahcir Psygod9 RISE of LEGION 73	Posted - 2013.08.06 15:30:00 - [4] - Quote Just make SP free to manipulate all the time. SP requirements are standardized so it should be relatively easy. I would like to try out different playstyles, and if they dont work, i do not want to wait 3 months to recover and change things up again.
Stands Alone Ultramarine Corp 60	Posted - 2013.08.06 15:34:00 - [5] - Quote RA Drahcir wrote: Just make SP free to manipulate all the time. SP requirements are standardized so it should be relatively easy. I would like to try out different playstyles, and if they dont work, i do not want to wait 3 months to recover and change things up again. that is ********
Stands Alone Ultramarine Corp 60	Posted - 2013.08.06 15:35:00 - [6] - Quote RA Drahcir wrote: Just make SP free to manipulate all the time. SP requirements are standardized so it should be relatively easy. I would like to try out different playstyles, and if they dont work, i do not want to wait 3 months to recover and change things up again. good thing its edited... because i still think that is the most ******** idea i have heard on the subject of respec
Hasa Hakira Dust2Dust. Top Men. 41	Posted - 2013.08.06 15:36:00 - [7] - Quote Stands Alone wrote: RA Drahcir wrote: Just make SP free to manipulate all the time. SP requirements are standardized so it should be relatively easy. I would like to try out different playstyles, and if they dont work, i do not want to wait 3 months to recover and change things up again. that is ******** My point exactly . That will not work and is not fair to new players AT ALL The only possible not offending way is a partial respec system balanced and spread tru time on schedule
Stands Alone Ultramarine Corp 60	Posted - 2013.08.06 15:39:00 - [8] - Quote Hasa Hakira wrote: Stands Alone wrote: RA Drahcir wrote: Just make SP free to manipulate all the time. SP requirements are standardized so it should be relatively easy. I would like to try out different playstyles, and if they dont work, i do not want to wait 3 months to recover and change things up again. that is ******** My point exactly . That will not work and is not fair to new players AT ALL The only possible not offending way is a partial respec system balanced and spread tru time on schedule i dont know... im pretty set on. if you want a respec. you lose 20% of your total SP... more SP means more inclined not to respec. making people jumping to different protos every build very rare
Cross Atu Conspiratus Immortalis Covert Intervention 1415	Posted - 2013.08.06 15:45:00 - [9] - Quote Personally I'm more supportive of this method. 0.02 ISK Cross
Hasa Hakira Dust2Dust. Top Men. 41	Posted - 2013.08.06 15:55:00 - [10] - Quote Cross Atu wrote: Personally I'm more supportive of this method. 0.02 ISK Cross It disables my passive gains ? That is 36 000 per day with my booster . I am better off just collecting the SP in the first place simply by little gaming and some passive SP ... And how are you going to justify infront of CCP SELIING another booster that COMPLETELY counters one of their already exsisting and working pretty well boosters (the passive) ... Just NO ... this is not well thought of

Aikuchi Tomaru Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 178	Posted - 2013.08.06 15:56:00 - [11] - Quote Personally I would love if you guys would just learn what "This will be the last respec" means. You can get about 6 Million SP in something like 3 months. That's more than enough to spec any new skill to proto level.
Hasa Hakira Dust2Dust. Top Men. 41	Posted - 2013.08.06 15:59:00 - [12] - Quote Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: Personally I would love if you guys would just learn what "This will be the last respec" means. You can get about 6 Million SP in something like 3 months. That's more than enough to spec any new skill to proto level. Only 3 moths for using a single weapon ? Pff that's nothing right .... I guess time flows on a different scale for you eh mate
Stands Alone Ultramarine Corp 60	Posted - 2013.08.06 16:07:00 - [13] - Quote im pretty much for no respec... but if they were to let it up to player choice and not a global respec, then i would say. lose 20% sp and some aurum or very large amount of isk... anyone over like 10 mil would be throwing away over a month of playtime... even if you had 5 mil. 1 mil is a lot to throw away. i like to keep things simple.
Hasa Hakira Dust2Dust. Top Men. 41	Posted - 2013.08.06 16:12:00 - [14] - Quote Stands Alone wrote: im pretty much for no respec... but if they were to let it up to player choice and not a global respec, then i would say. lose 20% sp and some aurum or very large amount of isk... anyone over like 10 mil would be throwing away over a month of playtime... even if you had 5 mil. 1 mil is a lot to throw away. i like to keep things simple. I don't think you guys (who suggest 20-25% loss in SP) realise how much that is ... like in time 20-25% means that if you have player 4-5 monts you lose 1 month of SP ... ONE MONTH of your like foreever lost ... nowhere to be found . That would be a NO-NO suggestion for me
Stands Alone Ultramarine Corp 60	Posted - 2013.08.06 16:21:00 - [15] - Quote Hasa Hakira wrote: Stands Alone wrote: im pretty much for no respec... but if they were to let it up to player choice and not a global respec, then i would say. lose 20% sp and some aurum or very large amount of isk... anyone over like 10 mil would be throwing away over a month of playtime... even if you had 5 mil. 1 mil is a lot to throw away. i like to keep things simple. I don't think you guys (who suggest 20-25% loss in SP) realise how much that is ... like in time 20-25% means that if you have player 4-5 monts you lose 1 month of SP ... ONE MONTH of your like foreever lost ... nowhere to be found . That would be a NO-NO suggestion for me exactly... i do know how much time that is... maybe you should have planned SP better... then you wouldnt need a respec
Hasa Hakira Dust2Dust. Top Men. 41	Posted - 2013.08.06 16:28:00 - [16] - Quote Stands Alone wrote: Hasa Hakira wrote: Stands Alone wrote: im pretty much for no respec... but if they were to let it up to player choice and not a global respec, then i would say. lose 20% sp and some aurum or very large amount of isk... anyone over like 10 mil would be throwing away over a month of playtime... even if you had 5 mil. 1 mil is a lot to throw away. i like to keep things simple. I don't think you guys (who suggest 20-25% loss in SP) realise how much that is ... like in time 20-25% means that if you have player 4-5 monts you lose 1 month of SP ... ONE MONTH of your like foreever lost ... nowhere to be found . That would be a NO-NO suggestion for me exactly... i do know how much time that is... maybe you should have planned SP better... then you wouldnt need a respec I actually do not . Kinda posting this to make the game better for others you know it's not only about me and you per say
Stands Alone Ultramarine Corp 60	Posted - 2013.08.06 16:33:00 - [17] - Quote Hasa Hakira wrote: Stands Alone wrote: Hasa Hakira wrote: Stands Alone wrote: im pretty much for no respec... but if they were to let it up to player choice and not a global respec, then i would say. lose 20% sp and some aurum or very large amount of isk... anyone over like 10 mil would be throwing away over a month of playtime... even if you had 5 mil. 1 mil is a lot to throw away. i like to keep things simple. I don't think you guys (who suggest 20-25% loss in SP) realise how much that is ... like in time 20-25% means that if you have player 4-5 monts you lose 1 month of SP ... ONE MONTH of your like foreever lost ... nowhere to be found . That would be a NO-NO suggestion for me exactly... i do know how much time that is... maybe you should have planned SP better... then you wouldnt need a respec I actually do not . Kinda posting this to make the game better for others you know it's not only about me and you per say thats the draw of the game, its sense of permanence. its why i play EVE as well... then there is the "well this isnt EVE" babies... all i can say is... i would not be opposed to a respec after this upcoming huge content adding rebalancing update... however... after that... we are done.. if anyone doesnt like it, then quit, this game is not for them, just like EVE is not for everyone.
Hasa Hakira Dust2Dust. Top Men. 42	Posted - 2013.08.06 16:38:00 - [18] - Quote Stands Alone wrote: Hasa Hakira wrote: Stands Alone wrote: Hasa Hakira wrote: Stands Alone wrote: im pretty much for no respec... but if they were to let it up to player choice and not a global respec, then i would say. lose 20% sp and some aurum or very large amount of isk... anyone over like 10 mil would be throwing away over a month of playtime... even if you had 5 mil. 1 mil is a lot to throw away. i like to keep things simple. I don't think you guys (who suggest 20-25% loss in SP) realise how much that is ... like in time 20-25% means that if you have player 4-5 monts you lose 1 month of SP ... ONE MONTH of your like foreever lost ... nowhere to be found . That would be a NO-NO suggestion for me exactly... i do know how much time that is... maybe you should have planned SP better... then you wouldnt need a respec I actually do not . Kinda posting this to make the game better for others you know it's not only about me and you per say thats the draw of the game, its sense of permanence. its why i play EVE as well... then there is the "well this isnt EVE" babies... all i can say is... i would not be opposed to a respec after this upcoming huge content adding rebalancing update... however... after that... we are done.. if anyone doesnt like it, then quit, this game is not for them, just like EVE is not for everyone. You know what the fatal flaw of giving players a respec in a game like this after an update with new content ... everyone is goingto spec in the same new stuff and the problems will be even greater . Thats why I think it should done 1 point at a time . Slowly at a homogenical pace and with a lot of thought and planning .
Stands Alone Ultramarine Corp 62	Posted - 2013.08.06 16:46:00 - [19] - Quote Hasa Hakira wrote: Stands Alone wrote: Hasa Hakira wrote: Stands Alone wrote: Hasa Hakira wrote: I don't think you guys (who suggest 20-25% loss in SP) realise how much that is ... like in time 20-25% means that if you have player 4-5 monts you lose 1 month of SP ... ONE MONTH of your like foreever lost ... nowhere to be found . That would be a NO-NO suggestion for me exactly... i do know how much time that is... maybe you should have planned SP better... then you wouldnt need a respec I actually do not . Kinda posting this to make the game better for others you know it's not only about me and you per say thats the draw of the game, its sense of permanence. its why i play EVE as well... then there is the "well this isnt EVE" babies... all i can say is... i would not be opposed to a respec after this upcoming huge content adding rebalancing update... however... after that... we are done.. if anyone doesnt like it, then quit, this game is not for them, just like EVE is not for everyone. You know what the fatal flaw of giving players a respec in a game like this after an update with new content ... everyone is goingto spec in the same new stuff and the problems will be even greater . Thats why I think it should done 1 point at a time . Slowly at a homogenical pace and with a lot of thought and planning . you would think that. but then you have the ones who capitalize on this. everyone picks the same suit and same weapon.. it makes it easier for the ones who think ahead, to counter it. they all pic shield tanky suits, then i pick lasers. they all pick mass drivers, i pick minmatar assault... you have the sheep and you have the wolfs... let them be sheep. also, in the end. when the market merges. they will have ridiculously high prices for the insane demand of the same suit/weapons
XANDER KAG Red Star. EoN. 181	Posted - 2013.08.06 16:53:00 - [20] - Quote The only way I could see this work is if you do it like this maybe once a month. It mostly takes that long to get any real point accumulation in this game anyways.

Talos Vagheitan D3M3NT3D M1NDZ 2	Posted - 2013.08.06 20:52:00 - [21] - Quote Don't be so dis"respecfull", CCP has a point with their policy on this. Pun intended ;) But in all seriousness, Maybe one early-on respec to new players (3-5 mill SP) would be beneficial. Or immediately after they leave the academy. So that they have something of a trial period before they commit to what they want. After that though, I don't think so, I'm leaning more and more towards CCP's no-respec stance. With no maximum SP cap theres no reason ppl can't continue to work for whatever they want. Oh, and maybe an undo last purchase button... Just for those accidental impulse purchases?
Stands Alone Ultramarine Corp 64	Posted - 2013.08.06 23:04:00 - [22] - Quote Talos Vagheitan wrote: Don't be so dis"respecfull", CCP has a point with their policy on this. Pun intended ;) But in all seriousness, Maybe one early-on respec to new players (3-5 mill SP) would be beneficial. Or immediately after they leave the academy. So that they have something of a trial period before they commit to what they want. After that though, I don't think so, I'm leaning more and more towards CCP's no-respec stance. With no maximum SP cap theres no reason ppl can't continue to work for whatever they want. Oh, and maybe an undo last purchase button... Just for those accidental impulse purchases? undo button with a 30 min timer
Fire of Prometheus DUST University Ivy League 59	Posted - 2013.08.06 23:13:00 - [23] - Quote I think there should be a suit respec when the racial variants are finished not a total respec. They should also do a vehicle respec when they add a large chunk of new vehicles (when bikes and jets etc. arrive)
Fire of Prometheus DUST University Ivy League 59	Posted - 2013.08.06 23:14:00 - [24] - Quote Stands Alone wrote: Talos Vagheitan wrote: Don't be so dis"respecfull", CCP has a point with their policy on this. Pun intended ;) But in all seriousness, Maybe one early-on respec to new players (3-5 mill SP) would be beneficial. Or immediately after they leave the academy. So that they have something of a trial period before they commit to what they want. After that though, I don't think so, I'm leaning more and more towards CCP's no-respec stance. With no maximum SP cap theres no reason ppl can't continue to work for whatever they want. Oh, and maybe an undo last purchase button... Just for those accidental impulse purchases? undo button with a 30 min timer I like that idea +1
Stands Alone Ultramarine Corp 65	Posted - 2013.08.06 23:35:00 - [25] - Quote Fire of Prometheus wrote: Stands Alone wrote: Talos Vagheitan wrote: Don't be so dis"respecfull", CCP has a point with their policy on this. Pun intended ;) But in all seriousness, Maybe one early-on respec to new players (3-5 mill SP) would be beneficial. Or immediately after they leave the academy. So that they have something of a trial period before they commit to what they want. After that though, I don't think so, I'm leaning more and more towards CCP's no-respec stance. With no maximum SP cap theres no reason ppl can't continue to work for whatever they want. Oh, and maybe an undo last purchase button... Just for those accidental impulse purchases? undo button with a 30 min timer I like that idea +1 i am opposed to almost all respecs... however... just to diversify things so all players who want to use the new content dont have to start over... one more respec when majority of content is added as long as it is in the next 3 months, then no more after... i would like to continue my dropship skill but to minmatar. but i dont want to start over when i have more than half of my skill points into caldari vehicles just so i can stay loyal to one race (i play EVE so im into the whole lore/RP aspect of Dust). also if i for some reason i wanted to go into minmatar suit. all the other heavies would be using proto. I suffer due to my role playing. since i have to start from 0 sp into minmatar heavy, because they didnt even release a place-holder, or announce even a hint until very recently when my SP was already devoted to my two specialties... In short... one more respec when 90% of racial suits and weapon have been added, after that, we done... they will keep adding content but at least i wont be starting from 0 if they do, since i would already be using minnie stuff
Aizen Intiki Ghost Wolf Industries Alpha Wolf Pack 351	Posted - 2013.08.07 01:19:00 - [26] - Quote FFS THEY SAID NO MORE RESPECS YOU DAMN IDIOT!!!!!!
Htomeheb Gib Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2013.08.07 23:53:00 - [27] - Quote Why not set it up so that it costs a high but fair amount of ISK and SP for a respec. Each time you respec, the cost goes higher and is tuned to the flow of ISK/SP you get on a normal basis. This way it'll set you back a bit but is still affordable and prevents people from doing it over and over. Thoughts?
Hasa Hakira Dust2Dust. Top Men. 43	Posted - 2013.08.08 10:53:00 - [28] - Quote Aizen Intiki wrote: FFS THEY SAID NO MORE RESPECS YOU DAMN IDIOT!!!!!! If they give us a new respec where can I find you ?
Stands Alone Ultramarine Corp 70	Posted - 2013.08.08 20:31:00 - [29] - Quote a respec that you can pay for or earn in any way. i am not ok with. a respec after they release all this new content. im completely ok with since it will diversify the battlefield...
Darell Evans Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 0	Posted - 2013.08.09 03:16:00 - [30] - Quote I have no problem with fully manipulative sp. In borderlands, for instance, the respect just costs a small amount of money that correlates to your story progress and actual wallet content. Mag also does this except you have to spend respec points which aren't hard to get.



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