If that includes AV nades so they carry less im all for it but no way should any nades become officer weapons tbh

Why not?

Because they are not primary weapons, support weapons at that

Because they are not primary weapons, support weapons at that

Because they are not primary weapons, support weapons at that

Why isn't it a support weapon? Grenades are meant to be used for breaching areas actually. If you got people all grouped up in one area, grenades are great to use to either push them back or to kill them. Just wish they had smoke grenades (T_T).

That would probably lead to a whole lot of rendering and performance issues, I'd rather wait until PS4.

tiers...blablabla...shift tiers here, shift tiers there... tiers tiers tiers tears tiers...

Or we could remove tiers completely. When everyone has the same grenade and they only vary sideways based on variants instead of upwards based on overall performance,

and when everyone has the same noob tube which has a standard item and only variants instead of tiers,

then balancing items would be so much easier. If a FotM arises, it can be balanced so much more easily. Instead of nerfing all flaylock pistols, or all Caldari Logistics suits, there will only be single items which stand out as OP because there aren't tiers of that same item, only variants.

Similar to champions in League of Legends. If we take a look at the patch notes, each item and champion have their unique stats. Nerfs and buffs don't go to whole groups of items/champs, but are dispensed individually because each item/champ is unique. That's what we need here.

One million ways to die, choose one. We have to stop asking for nerfs for every single thing we die by. If you keep nerfing everything, we might as well have a paperball fight. Any adversity can be beaten, numerous or singular.

So we'll just dissregard the whole leveling system more or less?

Would speccing into nades then cost some thousand skillpoints or the whole 1.5 M something?

We have a tier based system for everything in this game, removing it would defeat the purpose of the grind. (Game.)

Well the game is grinding to a halt at the moment.

Levelling system? You mean that gap between vets and newbies? You mean that problem that has people crying for respecs every time CCP makes a change to a popular (fotm) item? You mean that crippling system that forces people to play a game which becomes a chore because it isn't fun anymore? If it was still fun there would be much, much less activity here on the forums.

Speccing into nades would cost the same as it would now.
Speccing into everything costs the same as it would now.

That's the point. Because CCP can introduce new content, dozens of new items, and put them under the same category, without creating massive SP sinks.

And when there are hundreds of items all of the same tier, what starts to matter is ISK. The vets have more ISK, the newbies don't. The vets can use this ISK to do different things. Donate to their corporation, for example, to expand.

Newberries will set their sights on attainable items. A tank for their next battle, a gun for their next death.
Those who dedicate themselves will be rewarded by planetary conquest, domination of districts, the ability to purchase clones, control of player markets.

These features aren't possible or at least will constantly be shoved into the 'roadmap' with the problem of SP hanging over us.

And why is that relevant?

Because officer atm in DUST is currently primary weapons

Anyways at least infantry gets officer weapons vehicles have no officer anything

Not entirely true, we have officer sidearms for starters.

And you've yet to bring in an actual reason, other than "this is how it is atm".

Why would making the top tier nades officer level be such a bad idea?

To have any sort of meaningfull discussion its best to keep within whats considered a reasonable tweak, not flipping around the entire tier and leveling mechanic, that is shooting for the moon, nothing constructive will come from it....

It's a god damn grenade ffs!!!!

any day of the week I would much rather get shot in the gut with an assault rifle than hold a grenade to my chest..

Do you want it to shoot confetti everywhere?

I mean, I hate them when they kill me.. I have a proto gal logi that can't do a single thing about it when one lands at my feet. But I understand it is a grenade.. most other games I play, a grenade usually = death... just in those other games you could not SPAM them.. so there is the problem.. being able to spam them. Fix refill mechanics on nades.. they got timers on other mechanics in the game such as repairing wp. So why not make it to where you can only refill nades every 2 minutes or something. Degrading their dmg values will just make them pointless, and you will see way more flux spam with mass drivers.

just in those other games you could not SPAM them.. so there is the problem.. being able to spam them. Fix refill mechanics on nades.. they got timers on other mechanics in the game such as repairing wp. So why not make it to where you can only refill nades every 2 minutes or something. Degrading their dmg values will just make them pointless, and you will see way more flux spam with mass drivers.

I hate the nade spam, This would be my fix for it also ^

2 max nades carried, and either no refill at all from a hive, or refill be on a timer of some kind

IF you wanna nerf Locus nades than you should also nerf the FLUX nades too. I say 150-250-400 dmg also only give them 2. Not fair to just nerf the armor killers and leave the shield killers nice and strong.

So if this is a legit discussion Flux can be nerfed hard too.

For how often I kill with grenades, I barely ever get killed by them....

Same here. I might get hundreds of nade kills between each time I die by one, and it mostly seem to be just random luck for the enemy throwing it against me.

Same here. I might get hundreds of nade kills between each time I die by one, and it mostly seem to be just random luck for the enemy throwing it against me.

Its just silly how explosive heavy this game has become. I for one will normally get 10+ nade kills in a game, and thats while using them as intended, coocking and clearing out groups or as a prelude to an AR attack. I normally throw 1 nade at a time, I rarely just stand in a position and spam them.

The problem lies in the constant spam, many will throw their 3 nades before even thinking about using a gun. I have a suggestion for a nerf, perhaps a model for nerfing that will work fine for other weapons aswell.

Instead of fiddling with the stats, simply move them all one tier up.

- Core locus nade and Allotek Flux nades will become officer nades
- The M1 will be the new proto nade and this goes for the lvl 3 flux nade aswell.
- They will need to make a new set of nades either as a weaker lvl 1 nade or as a new lvl 3 nade with stats inbetween the current lvl 1 and lvl 3 nades.

In any case, numbers should be reduced from carrying 3 down to carrying 2.

I still want the nades to be an important part of the game, but not quite as dominant as they are today....

This sort of nerfing could be a way of doing it in the future. Just imagine if they did the same with the lasers, given the Viziam officer staus and moved the lvl 3 up to be a lvl 5, would anyone have complained about that? And same sort of goes for the current Mass drivers, lift them all up a tier and I suspect most of the QQ would dissapear. This goes for both the users and the ones receiving it.

- I have no idea about the current relation between AV-nades and vehicles so I really don't have much input on it....

Am I alone in this? Or do you feel the same as I and that tweaking down the various explosive weapons would be a step in making it a more fun game?