What does it matter if its free if you can barely hurt another player in more advanced gear without the assist which nets less WP than a real kill?

I am not crying about it, just an observation that my friends who play more mainstream FPS games won't care for Dust due to its learning curve and gear difference.

My first kill in this game was when I shot a proto guy with my forge gun XD

This is not relevant to the topic at hand. Map size has almost nothing to do with being stuck in starter fits with no skills and having to face players with 4 million or more SP.

The issue is about how new players get treated under the current system and if there might be a better system to allow new players to experience the game without getting stepped on and discouraged.

EDIT: Proto Suits are black. Shiny for the ISK ones, not so shiny for the Aurum protos.

A. Maps will indeed get larger but then those who have maxed out SP for snipers, scout armor and cloak will just simply roll over those newer people who don't know what to look for. The development team will need to very carefully balance LoS. Got to make it fair to both sides otherwise it will just be dueling snipers for 3+km away because that would then be the only viable way to survive if it is to open. If it is to cluttered then why be a sniper at all? Which then shotguns/heavies camping around tight corners would come to dominate. No one would win and all the time time they spent trying to make each niche fun and viable will be wasted. So even with expanded map sizes there should be a tiered combat system.

B. So how is spawning beside an enemy and getting killed instantly have anything to do with or without tactics? That is another big thing I believe needs to be worked on is the ease in which a team can get spawned trapped. I die once near the end of the game but because of spawn traps I suddenly have 5+ deaths at the end of a match?

I understand that this game is still in beta but it is clear they have a ways to go. But EVE-Online is like one of my favorite games ever so I have faith CCP will do well by it.

I am learning to pilot in this game it gets shot down so very quickly (if I don't wreck it first lol!). So again this is where that balancing issue between open maps and closed maps. Guns and their effective counters.

Perhaps all it will take is opening of the maps. But perhaps it won't. Either way the tiered system will allow for more competitive play anyway with all the high end players in low-sec with the best gear for the most profitable wars. Just like EVE-Online and I have no problem with that. But don't throw new people into that and expect them to have fun.

Its like going into a fleet battle with a new Tristian with a starter fit and your facing down a Battlecruiser. It may be fun and hilarious for the BC pilot but that person who just spent all their starting mission ISK on that frigate and fitting is pretty pissed off.

It is the first rule of EVE, but EVE has balances. CONCORD for one. Sure they can make a suicide run on a few starter pilots before turrets and CONCORD catches up to them and blasts them out of the sky. But for the most part those starting players are safe in High Sec to learn the game. And at least CAS and SWA are good places for new players to learn the mechanics of EVE before making truly terrible choices that could take days/weeks to correct.

Where is that support to a new person to Dust? When you make a Gallente you don't get a Corp like CAS to help you out. You get a chat that tells you to stop crying or just "LFS" all the time.

So the only way to do well is to get good gear to stand a chance against experienced players. But to use that gear risks your ISK which losing makes it harder to replace.. seems kind of a no win situation?

I earn enough to keep myself well fitted and a steady supply of dropships to boot, but I know what to expect. New players do not.

I made my first mining character relatively close to the last time I took a break. Great for making ISK to transfer to my main. But the heart of EVE is fighting and dying in low to null sec space. Big battles in Dust are what 100 players? Major fleet actions in EVE comprise hundreds of ships spread across several systems. It is pretty cool watching a titan die under the guns of a massed fleet. And for every peaceful miner you have a small fleet watching over those operations.

Both Capsuleers and the troopers of Dust are immortal based off of technology given to them by the Jovian Empire. They can die and die and die. One demi-god among many other demi-gods. Dust is part of the EVE-Universe and in time we will have many worlds to fight and die on. But to keep it fun for everyone there needs to be checks and balances built in to keep new players coming to the game.

It would be like if EVE started everyone in null-sec.

Could have just pointed out that it's black

Anyway, I don't think we should separate based on gear/Sp, just offer a separate ambush mode with better rewards. Most pros will want to hang out there, except for a few griefers. The rewards for doing badly should be worse than the ones you can earn in regular ambush though.

No SP in weapons or gear? I call BS. If you run vehicles, you obviously would have specced field mechanics to 5, Circuitry to 5, Powergrid upgrades to 5, and depending on the vehicle type you wanted to run, you most likely would have specced shield control as well. All of which have a not insignificant effect on your ability to make a starter fit more competitive than a "true" starter fit.

As to the rest, please recall that my suggestion was only to make a separate area for only low skill players. That doesn't stop a new player(or a re roll) from jumping straight to the big leagues, but it keeps the big fish from doling out the hurt to the noobs.

I don't advocate tiered matchmaking by SP, but I do think that leaving an section for just people with under 1 million SP to play is not the worst thing in the world. Would they still have a big jump in difficulty when they moved up, of course, but that is not a bad thing. All it means is that they would be slightly more prepared to face the real playerbase.