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Crimson MoonV Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 658	Posted - 2012.10.25 00:20:00 - [1] - Quote I jumped in a dropship today and went 30-0 without any turret/missile skills. There is something seriously wrong with that. The dropships are the gods of this game. If you get blown up by a dropship its because the "gods" are displeased with you. The missile launcher on the dropships need a huge nerf.
VanguardCommander Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 48	Posted - 2012.10.25 00:24:00 - [2] - Quote no just no....
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 583	Posted - 2012.10.25 00:25:00 - [3] - Quote No the problem is that dropships can outrun swarm launchers indefinitely. We need Missile Bombardment and Missile Projection skills, like in EVE, to boost missile flight time and velocity on Swarm Launchers.
Crimson MoonV Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 658	Posted - 2012.10.25 00:35:00 - [4] - Quote No the problem is that dropships can wreck an entire squad in a few seconds. I will admit that swarms need a fix but the damage output of the dropships need a huge nerf. People say the AR is overpowered. Holy **** I could sit here and get drunk all day and still drop 20-40 kills every game in a dropship. You people are straight in denial if you think the dropships aren't OP.
Tony Calif Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 2002	Posted - 2012.10.25 00:37:00 - [5] - Quote Fragmented missile can 1 shot kill a 700 hp heavy. Unbalanced damage from missiles is the problem Dropships themselves are fine. No one cares if blaster or railgun.
Mobius Wyvern BetaMax. 1216	Posted - 2012.10.25 00:37:00 - [6] - Quote Crimson MoonV wrote: No the problem is that dropships can wreck an entire squad in a few seconds. I will admit that swarms need a fix but the damage output of the dropships need a huge nerf. People say the AR is overpowered. Holy **** I could sit here and get drunk all day and still drop 20-40 kills every game in a dropship. You people are straigh in denial if you think the dropships aren't OP. When they can be tossed out of the sky by one rocket out of a swarm and instagibbed with a standard forge gun? Not even close. The swarm speed has always been the only issue, as well as their tracking, and the hotfix boosted speed. Once both speed and tracking are better balanced, they can introduce flares/chaff for aerial vehicles to compensate, and we'll have a nice balance between those and infantry. Other than that, all vehicles need limited ammunition counts.
The Polish Hammer Doomheim 373	Posted - 2012.10.25 00:38:00 - [7] - Quote sigh....More of this? Don't use a swarm launcher to take out the dropship then.
Cloudy Zan 107	Posted - 2012.10.25 00:38:00 - [8] - Quote Crimson MoonV wrote: No the problem is that dropships can wreck an entire squad in a few seconds. I will admit that swarms need a fix but the damage output of the dropships need a huge nerf. People say the AR is overpowered. Holy ** I could sit here and get drunk all day and still drop 20-40 kills every game in a dropship. You people are straight in denial if you think the dropships aren't OP. Correction what your asking is for turrets** to get nerfed.
Tony Calif Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 2002	Posted - 2012.10.25 00:42:00 - [9] - Quote Missile turrets and damage amplifiers need balancing.
Baal Roo Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 810	Posted - 2012.10.25 00:48:00 - [10] - Quote I've been complaining about dropships as a dedicated swarm launcher user, but recently started learning to fly dropships myself. I have to say, my perspective has changed a bit. Although I still agree that swarms need better tracking so that rockets don't intentionally miss dropships, I'm no longer convinced that dropships themselves are overtly OP. THE PROBLEM is that missile turrets are still insanely OP. Fix the missile turrets and it won't matter as much that dropships are so difficult to take down because they won't be so capable as an offensive weapon.

Paran Tadec Imperfects Negative-Feedback 902	Posted - 2012.10.25 00:50:00 - [11] - Quote more "x killed me, nerf x" crybaby bs.
Kaze Eyrou ROGUE SPADES 53	Posted - 2012.10.25 00:53:00 - [12] - Quote Baal Roo wrote: I've been complaining about dropships as a dedicated swarm launcher user, but recently started learning to fly dropships myself. I have to say, my perspective has changed a bit. Although I still agree that swarms need better tracking so that rockets don't intentionally miss dropships, I'm no longer convinced that dropships themselves are overtly OP. THE PROBLEM is that missile turrets are still insanely OP. Fix the missile turrets and it won't matter as much that dropships are so difficult to take down because they won't be so capable as an offensive weapon. I agree. I finally got to pilot a militia dropship as well and found that it's not the dropship that's OP, it's the missile launchers that are OP.
Governor Odius Doomheim 177	Posted - 2012.10.25 00:54:00 - [13] - Quote Dropships don't need a nerf, they need a complete change in role. It sucks that they're currently able to function as gunships, but if you make them unable to dodge swarms they won't be able to function as transports, either.
Paran Tadec Imperfects Negative-Feedback 902	Posted - 2012.10.25 01:00:00 - [14] - Quote Governor Odius wrote: Dropships don't need a nerf, they need a complete change in role. It sucks that they're currently able to function as gunships, but if you make them unable to dodge swarms they won't be able to function as transports, either. But thats exactly what all the haters want, a one hit blapcannon that instakills vehicles.
Mobius Wyvern BetaMax. 1216	Posted - 2012.10.25 01:01:00 - [15] - Quote Governor Odius wrote: Dropships don't need a nerf, they need a complete change in role. It sucks that they're currently able to function as gunships, but if you make them unable to dodge swarms they won't be able to function as transports, either. They would fit the role without any crazy re-balancing shenanigans if they just had a more limited ammo count. Give them only enough ammunition to provide temporary cover for transporting soldiers, and then they have to land near a supply depot to get more ammo. All vehicles should have that constraint, really. The only reason that HAV or LAV that just goes on a running riot is able to do so is because they can just fire all around themselves with reckless abandon, never having to worry about ammo.
Governor Odius Doomheim 177	Posted - 2012.10.25 01:15:00 - [16] - Quote CCP is planning on implementing capacitor for vehicles eventually, which will probably have a similar impact. Vehicle gets overzealous with weapons, runs out of cap, can't shoot or activate mods for a while. I happen to believe that removing the starter AV suit will also be required for dropships to have a realistic presence on the field. People don't realize how fragile a dropship can be when it can actually be hit.
Crimson MoonV Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 658	Posted - 2012.10.25 01:16:00 - [17] - Quote Cloudy Zan wrote: Crimson MoonV wrote: No the problem is that dropships can wreck an entire squad in a few seconds. I will admit that swarms need a fix but the damage output of the dropships need a huge nerf. People say the AR is overpowered. Holy ** I could sit here and get drunk all day and still drop 20-40 kills every game in a dropship. You people are straight in denial if you think the dropships aren't OP. Correction what your asking is for turrets** to get nerfed. Yeah, sorry for not being more clear. I will edit the title of this thread.
Mobius Wyvern BetaMax. 1216	Posted - 2012.10.25 01:18:00 - [18] - Quote Governor Odius wrote: CCP is planning on implementing capacitor for vehicles eventually, which will probably have a similar impact. Vehicle gets overzealous with weapons, runs out of cap, can't shoot or activate mods for a while. I happen to believe that removing the starter AV suit will also be required for dropships to have a realistic presence on the field. People don't realize how fragile a dropship can be when it can actually be hit. The problem is that Missile weapons are one of the two weapon types in the EVE universe that require no capacitor. Vehicles need to have limited ammo counts based on role.
Jason Pearson Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 742	Posted - 2012.10.25 01:20:00 - [19] - Quote Let's ask the question why a Dropship prefers to fly around in circles bombing **** out first? Ever tried to fly a Dropship into an LZ only to have it flipped instantly by a Swarm or taken out in 2 hits by a Forge Gun, hell have half of you guys ever tried to fly a dropship fullstop? Hell, make my guns weak, give me points for people spawning in my dropship and stop making me flip so god damn easily and I'll stop smashing you guys with my gunners, so I can actually play my part.
TiMeSpLiT--TeR Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 326	Posted - 2012.10.25 01:22:00 - [20] - Quote No. It's fine the way it is. It can hit now while it's moving. Webifiers anyone? Soon.

Mobius Wyvern BetaMax. 1216	Posted - 2012.10.25 01:23:00 - [21] - Quote Jason Pearson wrote: Let's ask the question why a Dropship prefers to fly around in circles bombing **** out first? Ever tried to fly a Dropship into an LZ only to have it flipped instantly by a Swarm or taken out in 2 hits by a Forge Gun, hell have half of you guys ever tried to fly a dropship fullstop? Hell, make my guns weak, give me points for people spawning in my dropship and stop making me flip so god damn easily and I'll stop smashing you guys with my gunners, so I can actually play my part. ^This, but I'd still prefer just giving them a smaller ammo count for the turrets to make them better fit their role while still being able to defend themselves.
Jason Pearson Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 742	Posted - 2012.10.25 01:27:00 - [22] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: Jason Pearson wrote: Let's ask the question why a Dropship prefers to fly around in circles bombing **** out first? Ever tried to fly a Dropship into an LZ only to have it flipped instantly by a Swarm or taken out in 2 hits by a Forge Gun, hell have half of you guys ever tried to fly a dropship fullstop? Hell, make my guns weak, give me points for people spawning in my dropship and stop making me flip so god damn easily and I'll stop smashing you guys with my gunners, so I can actually play my part. ^This, but I'd still prefer just giving them a smaller ammo count for the turrets to make them better fit their role while still being able to defend themselves. How Limited would it be though, that's the thing. People will still complain "Dropships are OP" even with Limited Ammo, Let's say each gun had 8 missiles per restock (reasonable I suppose), My gunners will go atleast 6 kills each, quickly drop back, restock, go again. Honestly the only option I see for this is either removing missiles from Dropships or making them extremely weak. Or we could try making them weak based on range.
Governor Odius Doomheim 177	Posted - 2012.10.25 01:28:00 - [23] - Quote Missiles in EVE are also guided. It seems pretty clear that DUST missiles aren't the same as EVE missiles, so there's no reasons they can't require cap. Missile launchers will probably end up seeing some kind of nerf eventually anyway since they're way more useful than rails and blasters in almost every situation. The problem with ammo limits is that some maps don't have supply depots, and some that do have them in places a dropship can't realistically fit. Ground troops can get around this with nanohives or, since they can lose a suit or two and still turn a profit, simply by dying. A vehicle without access to a supply depot is crippled (if not out of the fight entirely) as soon as it uses what would presumably be a pretty limited supply of ammo. Personally I think a cooler way to implement ammo for vehicles is to add in a cargo bay that contains all of your rounds and if you run out you have to call in more via an RDV. That has the added benefit of allowing use of specialty ammo types. Or cap, because it's going to end up the same way.
Noc Tempre Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1170	Posted - 2012.10.25 01:31:00 - [24] - Quote Yup, turrets are OP. Agree 100%. Now should they do major changes in balance right before the tourney? No. The game is high DPS/low health all around. Everything kills and dies fast. Don't change that for one thing and ignore the rest.
Tony Calif Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 2002	Posted - 2012.10.25 01:40:00 - [25] - Quote Why does the tournament have any bearing on it? The tournament is already a joke.
Reimus Klinsman BetaMax. 319	Posted - 2012.10.25 01:47:00 - [26] - Quote Remove small missile launchers and see how many people use dropships. Small missile launchers have been the only worthwhile Vehicle weapon from day one.
Sarra Jardox Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 6	Posted - 2012.10.25 03:41:00 - [27] - Quote Omg. Really another nerf "x" thread. Y can't we just wait until all mods are released before nerfing things cus if u nerf now dropships will never stand a chance. Or is tht wat everyone wants for vehicles to be removed from the game?
Christ0pher Blair Deep Space Republic 34	Posted - 2012.10.25 03:50:00 - [28] - Quote I personally hate the fact that they can just fly into the redzone almost indefinitely. Come to think of it, there's quite a mountain of issues with the redzones.
Belzeebub Santana SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 409	Posted - 2012.10.25 03:51:00 - [29] - Quote I've tried all turrets to the dropship and in all honesty the reason I think a lot of people use rocket is that they can see where they go and adjust aim. The railguns have no feedback on where your shots are landing and the range of blasters are laughable. If the blasters were more on par with the HMG, the sound, the look, I mean who doesn't like using a mini-gun. The blaster just don't feel cool, gattling guns are cool and maybe make railguns shoot more than three times with some sort of indication where they are hitting.
Jariel Manton SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 210	Posted - 2012.10.25 03:58:00 - [30] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: No the problem is that dropships can outrun swarm launchers indefinitely. We need Missile Bombardment and Missile Projection skills, like in EVE, to boost missile flight time and velocity on Swarm Launchers. You clearly havent shot swarms at a drop ship today since the hot fix. While its easier to kill now drop ships also die way more easily because swarms are fast as kittens.



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