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Mike Ox Bigger
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Posted - 2014.10.10 03:49:00 -
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We're the best Caldari players the game has to offer. Hands down.
Like I said just a few minutes ago in another post. We never lose. I've lost maybe 3 cal fw battles in the last 8 months. As far as not working with others I have no idea why they say that. Kirjuun was brought up but they're a pub channel that lets anyone come in and we don't roll like that. As for PIE I have no idea, I'm in their room and squad with them on occasion but never heard about them wanting help.
As for us being dicks we're not but we don't really let scrubs in. We want you running proto gear and we want you listening on coms. The main problems occur when we tell the team to let them have an objective and we'll surround it and killbox but some ******* will hack the objective and then get team killed. That's started some pretty serious arguments before but other than that we don't have problems.
Our biggest problem is people getting tired of losing to us and trying to sabotage our rooms.
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Posted - 2014.10.10 03:54:00 -
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MINA Longstrike wrote:Atiim wrote:Everytime these guys are mentioned, people bring up their inability to work with others and how they kick players from the channel who don't adhere to their standards (whatever those may be).
Some go as far as to say that they're a contributing factor to why CalFW is terrible. Normally I'd just use the search button, but would someone mind explaining who they are? They killed the original kirjuun heiian channel (well before my attempt to revive it), they refuse to play with anyone who 'isn't good' ie, if you're a random blueberry go **** yourself (also ironic as they're very mediocre) and almost always operate with full syncs (which fairly regularly get beaten / disband the moment they encounter any actual opposition). They frequently attempt to snipe pilots from other channels (I did a lot of ground work trying to get pilots back into kirjuun and I got reports from pilots that once z platoon found out they were there, they got spammed with mails), they for the most part refuse to cooperate with people belonging to other channels (its z platoon or go home), the channel operates under a restricted policy -you actually have to ****ing 'apply' because elitism and **** the spirit of cooperation, instead of being open like pie ground control (for the most part anyone can join that channel and they only get kicked once it's found out they fight for minmatar or are spying for them). They're excessively paranoid about spies rather than simply accepting they're a fact of FW. That's most of the out of game stuff... The ingame stuff prettymuch just involves being absolute shitheads (leave 1 point unhacked so we can camp it guiz!) and making every attempt to make facwar unfun for other people.
Post had me rolling when you called us mediocre. you're hilarious. Sorry we choose to have a password protected chat that's our choice. There's no application process for Z platoon, you simply have to know someone who's in the room and be a good player. As for spamming mails, I know nothing about that as I don't bring in anyone into the room. Having an open room allows spies to listen in on your coms. We've had problems with that in the past and that's why it's password protected. Everyone has some twisted perspective of our group, we have a blast together and cut up all the time. We're not assholes, there's one or two but they don't speak for the whole group. |
Mike Ox Bigger
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Posted - 2014.10.10 04:01:00 -
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MINA Longstrike wrote:
It's hard to lose when you don't play. It's been largely under your watch that gallente have taken control of the warzone.
I don't think the problem lies with us but more in the fact that more players lean towards Gallente and Minmatar. There's no attack timer on districts so we lose them as fast as we gain them. |
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Posted - 2014.10.10 04:09:00 -
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MINA Longstrike wrote:Sgt Kirk wrote:And this post, my Fellow Dusters, explains why Caldari are failing FW. Prettymuch, I don't have the time or energy to try to unite and lead a caldari FW effort and most attempts are thwarted by z-platoon sniping pilots and players.
Please don't blame your rooms failing on us. The main reason everyone loves running with Z platoon is because we are so organized... it's not our fault players gravitated towards our room. I was in Kirjuun for pretty much ever. I honestly just deleted it from my list. Why? Because it's a ******* ghost town for the most part with no direction and no one on coms and it was pretty much always that way. How the hell can you qsync when no one was ever on a mic in your room? Hell Caldari Elite State Army or whatever was more successful than Kirjuun ever has been and all they do is spam invites to Caldari players... |
Mike Ox Bigger
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Posted - 2014.10.10 04:12:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Mike Ox Bigger wrote:Having an open room allows spies to listen in on your coms. We've had problems with that in the past and that's why it's password protected. Can you list some examples? Honestly I think the mass paranoia from your orginization is unfounded, as very few Gallente loyalists resort to sabotage, as there's not much to gain from it other than avoiding having an OB dropped every match or so.
We've had entire corporations invade our chat by someone giving access to the wrong person. They come in and spam the chat making it hard to squad up and then are just obnoxious on coms. We've had to delete and restart our room several times which is why it's been depleted of players lately.
We've also had entire teams qsync against us. That's no big deal until they have someone who's on the other team that's also in our room. When they know what you're planning on doing it gives a huge advantage and has happened a few times in the past.
Our room is secluded mainly because of trolls. Not because of elitism.
EDIT: Also we've had EVE pilots spy our channel and block our pilots. That was one of the main problems with Kirjuun. |
Mike Ox Bigger
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Posted - 2014.10.10 04:30:00 -
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MINA Longstrike wrote: It wasn't ever 'my room', it was listed as the caldari militia channel quite some time ago in a ccp stickied thread, along with pie for the amarr and others for gallente and minmatar. My corp name is simply a Homage to the phrase the channel was named after.
I was disappointed by it being a ghost town as well, so I tried to gather as many players as I could to fill it, I got into contact with *four* caldari fw alliances in eve... and what happened after I left it for a week because I had real life stuff to deal with? It was back to being completely dead - because Z platoon sniped the pilots and the star players. I know people had talks with members of z platoon about getting them to try and work with amarr FW players and people in the kirjuun heiian channel... and the response was the same tired tripe you're spouting now "PUBLIC CHANNEL, SPIES, SCRUBS" repeated ad nauseum.
Kirjuun had good players but like I said in another post EVE pilots were getting spied on and having fleets wait for them when they would attempt to aid us. Spies are a real thing. The public channel hurt Kirjuun it's as simple as that. By scrubs we just mean we don't want you running militia gear. I'm in a 200K suit and we're not getting ISK. I want my bros running their best fits when they're watching my back. That's what we mean by scrubs. So no we're not really helping the new player experience but faction warfare to me isn't really for new players. PC and FW is where proto gear is meant to be run. In my eyes anyway.
Did you ever attempt to squad with us? If you did, you would have realized we're not a bad bunch. Everyone gravitated around one guy Z 13. I've never really seen anything like it, honestly, this dude was just a good organizer and when he talked everyone listened. When you're pretty much guaranteed a win when you squad with us, people are going to flock to the room. Since he rarely plays anymore we've fallen off a little but we still get together and kick ass. Instead of complaining about us you should try and squad with us. Hit me up in game and I'll invite you. |
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Posted - 2014.10.10 04:57:00 -
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MINA Longstrike wrote:So you've tried to spin this into a recruitment effort now? I've played with you people before and I left because I was absolutely ****ing disgusted with your overall attitudes. I'd rather burn.
Remember their names at all? I honestly can only think of one ******* and I struggle to deal with him myself.
Everyone else is cool. |
Mike Ox Bigger
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Posted - 2014.10.10 06:07:00 -
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MINA Longstrike wrote:
This isn't about the attitudes of individuals, though you've presented yourself in quite a poor manner with the whole 'people in public channels are scrubs'. It's about your attitude as an entity.
Now you're twisting my words, I said we don't have scrubs not that pub channel players are scrubs. I'm in a bunch of pub chat FW channels. I was listing pub chat as the Kirjuun demise and it was. At one point Kirjuun was booming, the EVE pilots left because we'd post our location and they'd get attacked. Z Platoon was more secure so they went there. That's pretty much all that happened and it wasn't even a big deal as it was only like two pilots.You're blaming Z platoon for Kirjuun's demise and it wasn't the problem. Kirjuun lacked organization and it slowly died off after and as I remember things Z Platoon wasn't even password protected until a few months ago when we started having problems. It just wasn't broadcasted all over the forums for everyone to know about. |
Mike Ox Bigger
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Posted - 2014.10.10 06:45:00 -
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MINA Longstrike wrote:Mike Ox Bigger wrote:Now you're twisting my words, I said we don't have scrubs not that pub channel players are scrubs. Split hairs as much as you like, but that essentially what you're saying, especially when combined with statements like "We only play with people that are *good*". Mike Ox Bigger wrote:I'm in a bunch of pub chat FW channels. I was listing pub chat as the Kirjuun demise and it was. At one point Kirjuun was booming, the EVE pilots left because we'd post our location and they'd get attacked. Z Platoon was more secure so they went there. That's pretty much all that happened and it wasn't even a big deal as it was only like two pilots.You're blaming Z platoon for Kirjuun's demise and it wasn't the problem. Kirjuun lacked organization and it slowly died off after and as I remember things Z Platoon wasn't even password protected until a few months ago when we started having problems. It just wasn't broadcasted all over the forums for everyone to know about. Riiiiight... which is why z platoon was practically outright hostile when Pie asked to do stuff together, and why you guys regularly try to snipe players / pilots and refuse to even cooperate with pickup groups from other channels, and why when tons of your players were asked to join public channels to simply *form* pickup groups the response was largely "NOPE SPAIS" and "WHY THE **** WOULD I DO THAT!?!?". Anyways, I and many others have said more than enough about how damaging to the caldari effort your attitude is, you clearly haven't really heard a word anyone has said to you, maybe you should just go back to your channel full of c*nts - er, I mean cool kids.
You're talking to someone who was in Kirjuun up until like three days ago and from the very beginning. I've been in pretty much every public Cal chat that's been listed on the forums. As far as PIE goes I have no idea what went on with that nor had anything to do with it. I only squad with them occasionally but I've been a member since the beginning so I felt the need to defend them as I know for the majority we are a good group of people. I'm also in PIE and Amarr123, when I first started playing there I experienced problems not getting picked up in a squad until I finally listed I had 40mil SP because I wasn't very well known so pubs have circles in them too.
And I'm in pretty much all the well known pub chat channels for all factions. In almost all of them are other members of Z Platoon. |
Mike Ox Bigger
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Posted - 2014.10.10 07:08:00 -
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Malleus Malificorum wrote: "Come join my Private Channel you won't have to play with scrubs there" is damaging beyond belief and countless people have evidenced that such things are happening and with frequency.
Z platoon is not unifying, It isn't leading, it isn't teaching and it certainly isn't open and accepting, instead it's back room deals and 'private clubs' where in the words of someone who has identified as a member 'you need to know someone to get in' with the lazy excuse of 'spies' and 'trolls' as a reason.
You don't need to know anyone to get into Pie Ground Control or Amarr123. You don't need to know anyone to get into Lucent Echelon, or any of the various minmatar channels, you just need to know the channel name.
Okay the whole not having to play with scrubs is not Z Platoons ideals that was just me and my perspective. When I go into Z Platoon I know we are organized and I'm not playing with someone who sucks. That's my perspective and my preference but that's not what Z Platoon is about. We have plenty of new players in our chat.
Like I said earlier we were a public chat up until about four months ago when we became more well known and started getting trolled and attacked then we became a private chat. We never tell people they suck and can't run with us, that has never happened as far as I know. We are just a little strict with how we run our battles and we're gonna give you a little **** if you're not in atleast advanced gear :)
With needing to know someone to get in... that's because it's private so you gotta be invited now, you can't just type in the chat name anymore. Which limits us but we really don't have a problem with that. There's always plenty of people to squad up with.
My whole point is whatever instances happened in the past doesn't represent Z Platoon as a whole. There's no leader to decide anything, we're just a group of players. One persons actions or disagreeing with someone shouldn't define the whole group. |
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Mike Ox Bigger
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Posted - 2014.10.10 07:25:00 -
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Viktor Hadah Jr wrote:Holy sh*t the tears, let me explain something to the people who don't seem to get it. People can play an way they want with whoever they want if they want to set up chats where they can sit and circle jerk from the time they log on to the time they log off they can. it is no bodies call to tell them they should not be doing that. You are not owed anything from these people they do not work for you they are playing the game in the way they want to play it may you deemed wrong or evil. But it is up to you to tell people what they should be having fun in a video game.
There are people who want FW to not be looked as just another pub match yet everyone is now suppose to be friendly and helpful towards each other. There are FW corps in EVE that you will not get into unless you meet a strict set of requirements because that is the way they enjoy playing if you don't like it, make something yourself but don't fault them for the way they are playing the game.
Exactly. If you want to play with noobs and bring them along go join Dust University. FW is supposed to mimic PC which is why when we play it we treat it like so. It's not everyone's cup of tea but it's ours and it works for us. |
Mike Ox Bigger
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Posted - 2014.10.10 07:34:00 -
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Malleus Malificorum wrote: Was that when chicagocubs4ever was present? Because honestly there were talks among pie leadership about banning him and his corp from the channel for that elitist attitude, which wasn't all that dissimilar from the one maintained by z platoon.
I'm not sure it was a little over two months ago when I finally decided to skill into the Amarr Sentinel and get some LP proto variants. I'm in the chats but don't play it a whole lot so it didn't really bother me I just figured they didn't know me but it was a little irritating that I couldn't get in a squad the few times I tried until I whored out my SP total. |
Mike Ox Bigger
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Posted - 2014.10.10 23:14:00 -
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REDBACK96USMC wrote:
Umm Ive seen you plenty and you are far from that good.
Otherwise you would be holding some of Molden Heath. I havent seen a good challenge from the Caldari side in forever unless FA or 1 UP is over there in full squad.
Both of those are corps where they're players are clearly labeled. Z Platoon isn't a corp, unless you recognize our names before battle you won't even know you're playing us. That is until we've capped everything. We pretty much never lose, really I can't remember the last time I lost a Cal FW when running with Z Platoon its been a long time and we regularly face full qsync'd teams as well. I'm pretty sure we've waxed a bunch of 1UPers quite a few times. The same goes for all the Gallente players posting on this thread, we've waxed all of them as well. A few people tried making a Z Platoon corp but it never panned out as everyone preferred to stick with their respective corp and just play Z platoon for Cal FW. |
Mike Ox Bigger
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Posted - 2014.10.11 00:19:00 -
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Michael Arck wrote:Rant Inbound!!
This is why I gave up on that CalFW **** (excuse my language)!!
Everybody wanted to be this top dog ultra elite, I'm johnny bad ass durr durr, instead of working together to achieve a common goal!
Me and a few guys shared a vision of bringing Caldari players together to initiate a gaming environment, a community, a band of brothers, whom loved everything Caldari and would fight to raise its flag in honor.
Of course the rose tinted glasses dropped off to all the silly nonsense.
We would reach out to people. No response. Oh, I wasn't one of those famous "elite" guys on the forums whom blew each other on the boards daily, so they dismissed. "Who are you?" were the questions. Too many wanna be chiefs and not enough indians.
Then with Caldari Hierarchy, it was open comms. I wanted something more. Something more sophisticated. Military like. In a meeting with folks and we made Kirjuun Heiian after deciding on a name. Told them, let's make it password protected. Let's carefully select the players whom are serious. But no. One ignored me like I was just babbling. Made another comm channel, still open, and the SAME DAMN THING HAPPENED TO KH!
Oh I was upset. Meanwhile, Gallente talking **** and I couldn't say a damn thing besides the common "shut up four eyes" retort. Sometimes it would get nasty. I wanted to shut them up with a unified front, but players were too stupid to understand that with unity comes triumph. No matter the skill, comradity builds people stronger. Oh how I wanted the action to back it, but majority of players whom called themselves Caldari weren't Caldari.
Z Platoon is just another example of the stupidity of the majority of Cal players. NOBODY NETWORKS!! It's like I was dealing with Call of Duty players who didn't want to network with people unless they were elite. It just made me so damn mad!
So I gave up on it. OUKH folded. I watched KH turn into a kiddie show with dinosaurs and unicorns. People in there asking to queue up for GalFW and squads for pub matches!! WTF?!
Left a bitter taste in my mouth man. True Adamance and his guys were my inspiration. I wanted to build something like PIE with players. I respected our allies for that. Those guys were dedicated. We just lacked the intelligent mature players to do so.
So much ineptitude. So much elitism. So much stupidity. IMO, only a handful of people represented the Cal way.
My apologies OP, I know you probably read this before. But everytime this subject comes up (or anything remotely related to it), the sour memory comes to mind and it just pisses me off.
The damn Gallente had a more sophisticated front than us and they are some damn druggies; obnoxious slobs!!!
Again with this elitist crap where does it spew from? Why? Because our room is private? Almost everyone who asks gets in, it's only password protected to keep out the trolls. Again, people see us differently than for what we are. We do help the Caldari and most of us were apart of Kirjuun and OUKH. The difference in our groups is we have 4 or 5 guys who are dedicated at putting squads together. KH and OUKH never had that, ever. People are sheep bro, honestly you have to have a few people hurding everyone or it doesn't work. That's what happens in Z Platoon. It's the same few guys creating squads and syncing. Drop the elitist crap we have plenty of newer players. |
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Posted - 2014.10.11 01:27:00 -
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Michael Arck wrote:
I wasn't even talking about you...but...
If you took offense to my post then you are the EXACT kind of people I am talking about.
I'm not stepping down from my words. The elitism attitude really sucks. Tryhards whom are over compensating for a video game.
I'm all about working with people, no matter their skill level or drawbacks. You show you got the merit and heart to do it, then I believe anything is possible.
Not with you elites. Got your mind too much on being snobby dickheads whom think they better than anybody else cause they good with a controller.
It's small minds like you that don't think larger. I was thinking about the larger picture, not about the immediate wins, the "oh at least we are winning our matches" BS.
and don't tell me what KH or OUKH had. Were you there?? No you weren't you were too busy giving out hand jobs to you and your elitist boys.
So take that crap up the block man.
I've been in KH and OUKH from both their starts. KH was actually pretty good for a while and OUKH never did squat. You go on a rant about elitism in a thread where were getting attacked about elitism so that's why it appears you're talking about us. If you want to work with new players to the game that's fine but I've stated it once and I'll state it again for people who skim.... FW is supposed to mimic PC. It's where proto warriors are meant to be seen and felt. It's not a game mode for the new guys.... |
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Posted - 2014.10.11 16:54:00 -
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Atiim wrote:
Can you name them? I honestly have trouble believing that, and I was in the Krijunn channel myself for a while and they've never had problems with entire corporations and hordes of pilots sabotaging them.
Hmm... was trying not to give them any publicity but Shaking Babies recently invaded our chat and shut it down for a night forcing us to reset it the next day. It was really lame they just spammed our chat and kept making lame goat noises. KH spies were a long time ago when they were big and were advertising all over the forums. They had enemy EVE pilots in their chat watching the location we'd post so we started posting them only in our chat and never had any problems. We've also had Gallente spies invade our chat. Contrary to what people believe about us we don't always have a full qsync a lot of the times it's 2 squads of 5 or 6 which allowed these guys who were in our room to que with us and TK and suicide. There's been plenty of other instances which is the reason we went with a password protected chat. |
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Posted - 2014.10.13 20:42:00 -
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MINA Longstrike wrote:
You're really trying to make the claim that Kirjuun Heiian was spying on you? What a ****ing joke. Or are you simply stating that we're complicit because it's a public channel?
What the **** do I not speak english? Gallente EVE pilots were chilling in your KH room. We were qsyncing in KH. When we'd post a district location there Gallente EVE pilots would attack our one pilot that would try to show up. No where did I say KH was spying on us... wtf |
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Posted - 2014.10.13 20:44:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:
I think Mr Ox really needs to understand is that its the spies you don't know about that are the ones that will **** you over.... if you know about them it's not all that much of an issue.
Hell I used to welcome to Matari pilots who would try to drop on me while I was in place over a district.
Those are the ones I'm talking about, we only knew about them because our pilot told us a few different times that he'd try to show up but got ran off by a small fleet that was waiting on him. Plus we'd be playing primarily randoms and then all of a sudden they'd have EVE support. It's not hard to figure out. |
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