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Takron Nistrom
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Posted - 2014.04.19 14:11:00 -
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I say maybe...
As long as there is carreer wp matchmaking as well. Otherwise people such as myself, who dont have the free time or the stock of hotpockets required to poopsock, wont be able to use proto. I enjoy using proto stuff but im no 40-0 nolifer.
I say use carrer wp to match make. Carrer sp and strict suit sorting will only help those who play a lot. People who dont play much or come back after a long break will have a large amount of passive sp but not much skill and they'll still get rolled.
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Takron Nistrom
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Posted - 2014.04.19 15:34:00 -
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Ghosts Chance wrote:i am also in favor of further deviding the community into even smaller groups to ensure that im only ever fighting the exact same people over and over and over again.
basically thats what will happen if your suggestion were to be brought into the game.
Because no one plays right now. They're all tired of being rolled.
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Takron Nistrom
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Posted - 2014.04.19 15:42:00 -
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Ghosts Chance wrote:Operative 2511 Dajli wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:i am also in favor of further deviding the community into even smaller groups to ensure that im only ever fighting the exact same people over and over and over again.
basically thats what will happen if your suggestion were to be brought into the game. As if that isn't already happening? Also, if you want to fight competitively then why wouldn't you expect to be fighting fewer people in the same league? Also also, why shouldn't you be fighting people on your level rather than stomping weaker opponents? Unless, you don't really want the competition. If you fit proto you should fight proto. So what if it's even just one other guy? well first, nobody would play int he proto leage, instead they will just advanace stomp... then you will QQ that you are getting stomped in ADV tier and you will move down to basic, where another group will be basic stomping you then you will QQ some more that you are getting stomped in basic tier and move down to militia, where you will get rolled by nothing but heavys
Eactly, you just proved my point, which is why you need more than just gear for MM. No one likes to be stomped 24\7. QQ or not, its not fun and we all cannot live in our moms basement, living on hotpockets, like some of the community does.
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Takron Nistrom
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Posted - 2014.04.19 15:55:00 -
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Ghosts Chance wrote:Takron Nistrom wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:Operative 2511 Dajli wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:i am also in favor of further deviding the community into even smaller groups to ensure that im only ever fighting the exact same people over and over and over again.
basically thats what will happen if your suggestion were to be brought into the game. As if that isn't already happening? Also, if you want to fight competitively then why wouldn't you expect to be fighting fewer people in the same league? Also also, why shouldn't you be fighting people on your level rather than stomping weaker opponents? Unless, you don't really want the competition. If you fit proto you should fight proto. So what if it's even just one other guy? well first, nobody would play int he proto leage, instead they will just advanace stomp... then you will QQ that you are getting stomped in ADV tier and you will move down to basic, where another group will be basic stomping you then you will QQ some more that you are getting stomped in basic tier and move down to militia, where you will get rolled by nothing but heavys Eactly, you just proved my point, which is why you need more than just gear for MM. No one likes to be stomped 24\7. QQ or not, its not fun and we all cannot live in our moms basement, living on hotpockets, like some of the community does. i think you missed the point where if you segregate the community further the player pool you can play against will be TINY so either 15-30min que times... or your fighting the exact same people over and over again the teams only changing when new players log on and old ones log off or stop queing up. the solution to the problem is a bigger player pool not a smaller one. because a stomp squad queing for ADV tier is still going to get put into a game with you due to lack of other players available in the que. segregating the players in any way makes matchmaking and stomping even worse.
No, because if you make a good matchmaking system and eliminate constant stomping, more people will play and give you a larger pool to draw from
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Takron Nistrom
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Posted - 2014.04.19 16:07:00 -
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Ghosts Chance wrote:Takron Nistrom wrote:
No, because if you make a good matchmaking system and eliminate constant stomping, more people will play and give you a larger pool to draw from
no, becuase in order for people to stop being stomped you need a larger player pool, wich you cant get untill you eliminate the stomping...wich you cant do untill you have the larger player pool since you cant eliminate the stomping and improve the matchmaking without the larger player pool, your not going to get a larger player pool.
With improved MM, it will be tight for awhile and there may be large wait times, but as news grows that MM is better, so will the pool and time will shrink.
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Takron Nistrom
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Posted - 2014.04.19 16:15:00 -
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Ghosts Chance wrote:howard sanchez wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:CYRAX SERVIUS wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:i am also in favor of further deviding the community into even smaller groups to ensure that im only ever fighting the exact same people over and over and over again.
basically thats what will happen if your suggestion were to be brought into the game. That's already happening now bro with such a small player base, this game needs serious help that only us players can fix, but the mentality of most players in this game won't allow it... that was kinda my point, if you think its bad now imagine how bad it would be if you further devided the playerbase into even smaller groups So wtf, chance? Are you suggesting that everything is just fine now and noobs should stfu?? What's your suggestion again? my suggestion is to not implement things that will not only make the problem worse and not fix anything but also create new problems.
It sounds to me (us), that you just dont want to go against people, who could actually beat you on a reg basis.
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Takron Nistrom
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Posted - 2014.04.19 16:50:00 -
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Forever ETC wrote:If we don't do matchmaking now, it will never happen. CCP had an year to do it, and back when we had 9,000 players online at any given time was the perfect time to do it. But they screwed it over, so now we have this playerbase. If we use Gear ranking, the only ways you could get stomped are, the opposing team has better gungame, tank spam, and corp sync. If you haven't made a new character to try out Academy, do it now. You will see how different it is because all that matters is gungame(and of course the objective of the game). Two of these problems can be solved. Vehicle Spam: Limit Numbers of each Vehicle class. EX: 3 HAV, 4 DS, no limit for LAVs. Corp Sync: Bring back Corp Battles, or only allow one full squad of each corp per side.
I dont know if I would be that facetious about it, theyll do it eventually. Im hoping FanFest brings much needed air to this game.
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Takron Nistrom
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Posted - 2014.04.19 17:00:00 -
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Ghosts Chance wrote:howard sanchez wrote: Yep, that's what it sounded like. People like you want to keep the broke ass status quo. You want to preserve your messed up unbalanced game system that continues to keep this game on life support.
Thanks for your input
i think you misunderstood what i said.. game = broken this threads solution breaks the game EVEN MORE THEN IT IS NOW clear enough for you?
No...it doesnt.
It might be hard for awhile but it will improve.
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Takron Nistrom
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Posted - 2014.04.19 17:13:00 -
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Ghosts Chance wrote:Takron Nistrom wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:howard sanchez wrote: Yep, that's what it sounded like. People like you want to keep the broke ass status quo. You want to preserve your messed up unbalanced game system that continues to keep this game on life support.
Thanks for your input
i think you misunderstood what i said.. game = broken this threads solution breaks the game EVEN MORE THEN IT IS NOW clear enough for you? No...it doesnt. It might be hard for awhile but it will improve. let me expand on this, the second you seperate gameplay into these kind of tiers it opens things up to massive abuse militia tier will be DOMINATED by max passive skilled vets running around in heavys suits with militia ARs, and no other suits going to be able to take that down 1v1. basic tier will be dominated by HMG heavys, nothing else can compair in this bracket. ADV tier will be balanced for the most part but all the proto stompers will organise here in MINMAXED suits the same way they do in proto now, its just they will do it in advanced suits meaning the exact same problem we have now will still exsist. proto will be a ghost town. so 2 completly broken brackets dominated by minmaxing metagaming assholes, 1 semi balanced bracket dominated by the same prople who proto stomp now and one ghost town. nothing fixed, community devided for no reason whatsoever. new players who can only use militia will be stuck in the militia bracket against assholes who have figured out how to make a dropsuit/tank/anything invicable in that bracket, they will be stomped even ahrder then ever before making the NPE even worse then it is now (assuming no other changes) anyone who advances to basic will face the same minmaxed results as people looking for easy kills will MINMAX the absolute hell out of that bracket as well and stomp anything and everything to pad their KDR. becuase of how easy it is to make a new character, people WILL just make new characters to stomp with if their matchmaking ratings go too high and they get bad matchups for MLT and STD brackets. theres so many things wrong with this solution that its very very difficult for me to illustrate it all at once... but this solution not only doesnnt solve the current stomping problem but it causes 2 new stomping problems we dont currently have. and thats assuming player levels are higher and matchmaking works.
Ok, so now that you elaborated on your position. It is clear you did not read my whole post. I said we need more than just gear in MM, so what you just said, wont happen.
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Takron Nistrom
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Posted - 2014.04.19 17:29:00 -
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So you admit to being part of the problem and surprise surprise, you don't want it fixed.
If a few want to remake characters to only stomp, so be it, but the majority will move on and play the way they should.
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GÇò Horace, The Odes of Horace
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