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Takron Nistrom Tinfoil Hatz 331	Posted - 2014.04.19 14:11:00 - [1] - Quote I say maybe... As long as there is carreer wp matchmaking as well. Otherwise people such as myself, who dont have the free time or the stock of hotpockets required to poopsock, wont be able to use proto. I enjoy using proto stuff but im no 40-0 nolifer. I say use carrer wp to match make. Carrer sp and strict suit sorting will only help those who play a lot. People who dont play much or come back after a long break will have a large amount of passive sp but not much skill and they'll still get rolled. GÇ£Pulvis et umbra sumus. (We are but dust and shadow.)GÇ¥ GÇò Horace, The Odes of Horace
Fire of Prometheus Alpha Response Command 4284	Posted - 2014.04.19 14:29:00 - [2] - Quote Or the easiest way would be to have meta level matchmaking..... And make separate matches this based on that, there could be basic matches (where suits with a total meta of 20* or lower can be used) and just repeat that for other tiered matches * numbers are just examples they can be changed. Alpha Response Command (ALREC) The premier training corp for commandos. Apply today!
Meknow Intaki 135	Posted - 2014.04.19 15:20:00 - [3] - Quote From a sporting point of view you wouldn't put a high school football team (basic) up against a university (advanced) of NFL (proto) team =ƒÿ£=ƒÿà I guess people out there would like to see that http://www.youtube.com/embed/OFtfVxbvcXE?autoplay=1
Bubba Rector BR514 21	Posted - 2014.04.19 15:21:00 - [4] - Quote Gear restricted matchmaking will not solve the issue of stomping. The corps that Q-sync 12 or more members in a match will just turn it into ADV-Stomp or MLT-Stomp. What we need is a system that matches by squad or corp count.
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 1989	Posted - 2014.04.19 15:26:00 - [5] - Quote i am also in favor of further deviding the community into even smaller groups to ensure that im only ever fighting the exact same people over and over and over again. basically thats what will happen if your suggestion were to be brought into the game. I put Kinetic Catalyzers on EVERYTHING
Operative 2511 Dajli True Companion Planetary Requisitions 22	Posted - 2014.04.19 15:30:00 - [6] - Quote Easy solution. Add gear scores to items or just split between standard, adv or proto suits. You'd select a primary and secondary suit ahead of time. Highest suit counts toward match level. Lol, the ban hammer got me!
Operative 2511 Dajli True Companion Planetary Requisitions 22	Posted - 2014.04.19 15:33:00 - [7] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: i am also in favor of further deviding the community into even smaller groups to ensure that im only ever fighting the exact same people over and over and over again. basically thats what will happen if your suggestion were to be brought into the game. As if that isn't already happening? Also, if you want to fight competitively then why wouldn't you expect to be fighting fewer people in the same league? Also also, why shouldn't you be fighting people on your level rather than stomping weaker opponents? Unless, you don't really want the competition. If you fit proto you should fight proto. So what if it's even just one other guy? Lol, the ban hammer got me!
Takron Nistrom Tinfoil Hatz 333	Posted - 2014.04.19 15:34:00 - [8] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: i am also in favor of further deviding the community into even smaller groups to ensure that im only ever fighting the exact same people over and over and over again. basically thats what will happen if your suggestion were to be brought into the game. Because no one plays right now. They're all tired of being rolled. GÇ£Pulvis et umbra sumus. (We are but dust and shadow.)GÇ¥ GÇò Horace, The Odes of Horace
Operative 2511 Dajli True Companion Planetary Requisitions 22	Posted - 2014.04.19 15:36:00 - [9] - Quote Bubba Rector wrote: Gear restricted matchmaking will not solve the issue of stomping. The corps that Q-sync 12 or more members in a match will just turn it into ADV-Stomp or MLT-Stomp. What we need is a system that matches by squad or corp count. At least it will be based more on team work and strategy. At the moment it really isn't. I've seen matches where the other team was doing its best but still couldn't manage because they were being mowed down 3 to every bricked proto user. Lol, the ban hammer got me!
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 1989	Posted - 2014.04.19 15:36:00 - [10] - Quote Operative 2511 Dajli wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: i am also in favor of further deviding the community into even smaller groups to ensure that im only ever fighting the exact same people over and over and over again. basically thats what will happen if your suggestion were to be brought into the game. As if that isn't already happening? Also, if you want to fight competitively then why wouldn't you expect to be fighting fewer people in the same league? Also also, why shouldn't you be fighting people on your level rather than stomping weaker opponents? Unless, you don't really want the competition. If you fit proto you should fight proto. So what if it's even just one other guy? well first, nobody would play int he proto leage, instead they will just advanace stomp... then you will QQ that you are getting stomped in ADV tier and you will move down to basic, where another group will be basic stomping you then you will QQ some more that you are getting stomped in basic tier and move down to militia, where you will get rolled by nothing but heavys I put Kinetic Catalyzers on EVERYTHING

Takron Nistrom Tinfoil Hatz 334	Posted - 2014.04.19 15:42:00 - [11] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: Operative 2511 Dajli wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: i am also in favor of further deviding the community into even smaller groups to ensure that im only ever fighting the exact same people over and over and over again. basically thats what will happen if your suggestion were to be brought into the game. As if that isn't already happening? Also, if you want to fight competitively then why wouldn't you expect to be fighting fewer people in the same league? Also also, why shouldn't you be fighting people on your level rather than stomping weaker opponents? Unless, you don't really want the competition. If you fit proto you should fight proto. So what if it's even just one other guy? well first, nobody would play int he proto leage, instead they will just advanace stomp... then you will QQ that you are getting stomped in ADV tier and you will move down to basic, where another group will be basic stomping you then you will QQ some more that you are getting stomped in basic tier and move down to militia, where you will get rolled by nothing but heavys Eactly, you just proved my point, which is why you need more than just gear for MM. No one likes to be stomped 24\7. QQ or not, its not fun and we all cannot live in our moms basement, living on hotpockets, like some of the community does. GÇ£Pulvis et umbra sumus. (We are but dust and shadow.)GÇ¥ GÇò Horace, The Odes of Horace
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 1990	Posted - 2014.04.19 15:49:00 - [12] - Quote Takron Nistrom wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: Operative 2511 Dajli wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: i am also in favor of further deviding the community into even smaller groups to ensure that im only ever fighting the exact same people over and over and over again. basically thats what will happen if your suggestion were to be brought into the game. As if that isn't already happening? Also, if you want to fight competitively then why wouldn't you expect to be fighting fewer people in the same league? Also also, why shouldn't you be fighting people on your level rather than stomping weaker opponents? Unless, you don't really want the competition. If you fit proto you should fight proto. So what if it's even just one other guy? well first, nobody would play int he proto leage, instead they will just advanace stomp... then you will QQ that you are getting stomped in ADV tier and you will move down to basic, where another group will be basic stomping you then you will QQ some more that you are getting stomped in basic tier and move down to militia, where you will get rolled by nothing but heavys Eactly, you just proved my point, which is why you need more than just gear for MM. No one likes to be stomped 24\7. QQ or not, its not fun and we all cannot live in our moms basement, living on hotpockets, like some of the community does. i think you missed the point where if you segregate the community further the player pool you can play against will be TINY so either 15-30min que times... or your fighting the exact same people over and over again the teams only changing when new players log on and old ones log off or stop queing up. the solution to the problem is a bigger player pool not a smaller one. because a stomp squad queing for ADV tier is still going to get put into a game with you due to lack of other players available in the que. segregating the players in any way makes matchmaking and stomping even worse. I put Kinetic Catalyzers on EVERYTHING
Bubba Rector BR514 21	Posted - 2014.04.19 15:52:00 - [13] - Quote but I like hot pockets.... In all seriousness tho, it would divide the community. Any suggestion would. The 12+ man teams happen on both sides of the field. Why not match them together?
Takron Nistrom Tinfoil Hatz 334	Posted - 2014.04.19 15:55:00 - [14] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: Takron Nistrom wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: Operative 2511 Dajli wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: i am also in favor of further deviding the community into even smaller groups to ensure that im only ever fighting the exact same people over and over and over again. basically thats what will happen if your suggestion were to be brought into the game. As if that isn't already happening? Also, if you want to fight competitively then why wouldn't you expect to be fighting fewer people in the same league? Also also, why shouldn't you be fighting people on your level rather than stomping weaker opponents? Unless, you don't really want the competition. If you fit proto you should fight proto. So what if it's even just one other guy? well first, nobody would play int he proto leage, instead they will just advanace stomp... then you will QQ that you are getting stomped in ADV tier and you will move down to basic, where another group will be basic stomping you then you will QQ some more that you are getting stomped in basic tier and move down to militia, where you will get rolled by nothing but heavys Eactly, you just proved my point, which is why you need more than just gear for MM. No one likes to be stomped 24\7. QQ or not, its not fun and we all cannot live in our moms basement, living on hotpockets, like some of the community does. i think you missed the point where if you segregate the community further the player pool you can play against will be TINY so either 15-30min que times... or your fighting the exact same people over and over again the teams only changing when new players log on and old ones log off or stop queing up. the solution to the problem is a bigger player pool not a smaller one. because a stomp squad queing for ADV tier is still going to get put into a game with you due to lack of other players available in the que. segregating the players in any way makes matchmaking and stomping even worse. No, because if you make a good matchmaking system and eliminate constant stomping, more people will play and give you a larger pool to draw from GÇ£Pulvis et umbra sumus. (We are but dust and shadow.)GÇ¥ GÇò Horace, The Odes of Horace
CYRAX SERVIUS Death Firm. Canis Eliminatus Operatives 1694	Posted - 2014.04.19 15:56:00 - [15] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: i am also in favor of further deviding the community into even smaller groups to ensure that im only ever fighting the exact same people over and over and over again. basically thats what will happen if your suggestion were to be brought into the game. That's already happening now bro with such a small player base, this game needs serious help that only us players can fix, but the mentality of most players in this game won't allow it... CEO Whiskey squad leader Once Bitten Twice Shy....
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 1990	Posted - 2014.04.19 15:57:00 - [16] - Quote Takron Nistrom wrote: No, because if you make a good matchmaking system and eliminate constant stomping, more people will play and give you a larger pool to draw from no, becuase in order for people to stop being stomped you need a larger player pool, wich you cant get untill you eliminate the stomping...wich you cant do untill you have the larger player pool I put Kinetic Catalyzers on EVERYTHING
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 1990	Posted - 2014.04.19 16:00:00 - [17] - Quote CYRAX SERVIUS wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: i am also in favor of further deviding the community into even smaller groups to ensure that im only ever fighting the exact same people over and over and over again. basically thats what will happen if your suggestion were to be brought into the game. That's already happening now bro with such a small player base, this game needs serious help that only us players can fix, but the mentality of most players in this game won't allow it... that was kinda my point, if you think its bad now imagine how bad it would be if you further devided the playerbase into even smaller groups I put Kinetic Catalyzers on EVERYTHING
Takron Nistrom Tinfoil Hatz 336	Posted - 2014.04.19 16:07:00 - [18] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: Takron Nistrom wrote: No, because if you make a good matchmaking system and eliminate constant stomping, more people will play and give you a larger pool to draw from no, becuase in order for people to stop being stomped you need a larger player pool, wich you cant get untill you eliminate the stomping...wich you cant do untill you have the larger player pool since you cant eliminate the stomping and improve the matchmaking without the larger player pool, your not going to get a larger player pool. With improved MM, it will be tight for awhile and there may be large wait times, but as news grows that MM is better, so will the pool and time will shrink. GÇ£Pulvis et umbra sumus. (We are but dust and shadow.)GÇ¥ GÇò Horace, The Odes of Horace
howard sanchez YELLOWCAB SERVICES 889	Posted - 2014.04.19 16:07:00 - [19] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: CYRAX SERVIUS wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: i am also in favor of further deviding the community into even smaller groups to ensure that im only ever fighting the exact same people over and over and over again. basically thats what will happen if your suggestion were to be brought into the game. That's already happening now bro with such a small player base, this game needs serious help that only us players can fix, but the mentality of most players in this game won't allow it... that was kinda my point, if you think its bad now imagine how bad it would be if you further devided the playerbase into even smaller groups So wtf, chance? Are you suggesting that everything is just fine now and noobs should stfu?? What's your suggestion again?
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 1990	Posted - 2014.04.19 16:11:00 - [20] - Quote howard sanchez wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: CYRAX SERVIUS wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: i am also in favor of further deviding the community into even smaller groups to ensure that im only ever fighting the exact same people over and over and over again. basically thats what will happen if your suggestion were to be brought into the game. That's already happening now bro with such a small player base, this game needs serious help that only us players can fix, but the mentality of most players in this game won't allow it... that was kinda my point, if you think its bad now imagine how bad it would be if you further devided the playerbase into even smaller groups So wtf, chance? Are you suggesting that everything is just fine now and noobs should stfu?? What's your suggestion again? my suggestion is to not implement things that will not only make the problem worse and not fix anything but also create new problems. I put Kinetic Catalyzers on EVERYTHING

howard sanchez YELLOWCAB SERVICES 889	Posted - 2014.04.19 16:14:00 - [21] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: howard sanchez wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: CYRAX SERVIUS wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: i am also in favor of further deviding the community into even smaller groups to ensure that im only ever fighting the exact same people over and over and over again. basically thats what will happen if your suggestion were to be brought into the game. That's already happening now bro with such a small player base, this game needs serious help that only us players can fix, but the mentality of most players in this game won't allow it... that was kinda my point, if you think its bad now imagine how bad it would be if you further devided the playerbase into even smaller groups So wtf, chance? Are you suggesting that everything is just fine now and noobs should stfu?? What's your suggestion again? my suggestion is to not implement things that will not only make the problem worse and not fix anything but also create new problems. Yep, that's what it sounded like. People like you want to keep the broke ass status quo. You want to preserve your messed up unbalanced game system that continues to keep this game on life support. Thanks for your input
Takron Nistrom Tinfoil Hatz 336	Posted - 2014.04.19 16:15:00 - [22] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: howard sanchez wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: CYRAX SERVIUS wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: i am also in favor of further deviding the community into even smaller groups to ensure that im only ever fighting the exact same people over and over and over again. basically thats what will happen if your suggestion were to be brought into the game. That's already happening now bro with such a small player base, this game needs serious help that only us players can fix, but the mentality of most players in this game won't allow it... that was kinda my point, if you think its bad now imagine how bad it would be if you further devided the playerbase into even smaller groups So wtf, chance? Are you suggesting that everything is just fine now and noobs should stfu?? What's your suggestion again? my suggestion is to not implement things that will not only make the problem worse and not fix anything but also create new problems. It sounds to me (us), that you just dont want to go against people, who could actually beat you on a reg basis. GÇ£Pulvis et umbra sumus. (We are but dust and shadow.)GÇ¥ GÇò Horace, The Odes of Horace
Maximos Forcus BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 23	Posted - 2014.04.19 16:27:00 - [23] - Quote Large squads, and the ability to q-sync, are an issue. Using specific gear is "just like real life" and the rich and/or powerful will be better at dominating. Taking that out of the game is killing it. Why buy AUR for gear if it doesn't improve your chances on the field? And no AUR means a swift end to the game. Pub matches should be more about random and small teams, as the in-game description suggests. So limit the squad sizes to a max. of 1/4 of a side (so 4 for the current 16 v. 16) and add some intelligence making syncing fail in 90% of the time. You might still get stomped, but the chances of lopsidedness will diminish significantly. Three lefts don't make a right. Unless you're two dimensional and only know right angles.
Forever ETC 703rd Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 332	Posted - 2014.04.19 16:30:00 - [24] - Quote If we don't do matchmaking now, it will never happen. CCP had an year to do it, and back when we had 9,000 players online at any given time was the perfect time to do it. But they screwed it over, so now we have this playerbase. If we use Gear ranking, the only ways you could get stomped are, the opposing team has better gungame, tank spam, and corp sync. If you haven't made a new character to try out Academy, do it now. You will see how different it is because all that matters is gungame(and of course the objective of the game). Two of these problems can be solved. Vehicle Spam: Limit Numbers of each Vehicle class. EX: 3 HAV, 4 DS, no limit for LAVs. Corp Sync: Bring back Corp Battles, or only allow one full squad of each corp per side. Well, time to go Commando. Fill the Ranks at 703rd. Love,Hate, and everything in between.- ETC 2013 THIS IS AMARR!!!
Takron Nistrom Tinfoil Hatz 337	Posted - 2014.04.19 16:50:00 - [25] - Quote Forever ETC wrote: If we don't do matchmaking now, it will never happen. CCP had an year to do it, and back when we had 9,000 players online at any given time was the perfect time to do it. But they screwed it over, so now we have this playerbase. If we use Gear ranking, the only ways you could get stomped are, the opposing team has better gungame, tank spam, and corp sync. If you haven't made a new character to try out Academy, do it now. You will see how different it is because all that matters is gungame(and of course the objective of the game). Two of these problems can be solved. Vehicle Spam: Limit Numbers of each Vehicle class. EX: 3 HAV, 4 DS, no limit for LAVs. Corp Sync: Bring back Corp Battles, or only allow one full squad of each corp per side. I dont know if I would be that facetious about it, theyll do it eventually. Im hoping FanFest brings much needed air to this game. GÇ£Pulvis et umbra sumus. (We are but dust and shadow.)GÇ¥ GÇò Horace, The Odes of Horace
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 1990	Posted - 2014.04.19 16:56:00 - [26] - Quote howard sanchez wrote: Yep, that's what it sounded like. People like you want to keep the broke ass status quo. You want to preserve your messed up unbalanced game system that continues to keep this game on life support. Thanks for your input i think you misunderstood what i said.. game = broken this threads solution breaks the game EVEN MORE THEN IT IS NOW clear enough for you? I put Kinetic Catalyzers on EVERYTHING
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 1990	Posted - 2014.04.19 16:58:00 - [27] - Quote Takron Nistrom wrote: It sounds to me (us), that you just dont want to go against people, who could actually beat you on a reg basis. please explain to me how you came to that conclusion based off me saying "games broke, this solution breaks it even more" I put Kinetic Catalyzers on EVERYTHING
Takron Nistrom Tinfoil Hatz 338	Posted - 2014.04.19 17:00:00 - [28] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: howard sanchez wrote: Yep, that's what it sounded like. People like you want to keep the broke ass status quo. You want to preserve your messed up unbalanced game system that continues to keep this game on life support. Thanks for your input i think you misunderstood what i said.. game = broken this threads solution breaks the game EVEN MORE THEN IT IS NOW clear enough for you? No...it doesnt. It might be hard for awhile but it will improve. GÇ£Pulvis et umbra sumus. (We are but dust and shadow.)GÇ¥ GÇò Horace, The Odes of Horace
Operative 2511 Dajli True Companion Planetary Requisitions 25	Posted - 2014.04.19 17:07:00 - [29] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: Operative 2511 Dajli wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: i am also in favor of further deviding the community into even smaller groups to ensure that im only ever fighting the exact same people over and over and over again. basically thats what will happen if your suggestion were to be brought into the game. As if that isn't already happening? Also, if you want to fight competitively then why wouldn't you expect to be fighting fewer people in the same league? Also also, why shouldn't you be fighting people on your level rather than stomping weaker opponents? Unless, you don't really want the competition. If you fit proto you should fight proto. So what if it's even just one other guy? well first, nobody would play int he proto leage, instead they will just advanace stomp... then you will QQ that you are getting stomped in ADV tier and you will move down to basic, where another group will be basic stomping you then you will QQ some more that you are getting stomped in basic tier and move down to militia, where you will get rolled by nothing but heavys But if everybody is matched according to gear then there won't be any QQing except maybe where it belongs which is over team play and strategy. Lol, the ban hammer got me!
Duran Lex Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 722	Posted - 2014.04.19 17:08:00 - [30] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: howard sanchez wrote: Yep, that's what it sounded like. People like you want to keep the broke ass status quo. You want to preserve your messed up unbalanced game system that continues to keep this game on life support. Thanks for your input i think you misunderstood what i said.. game = broken this threads solution breaks the game EVEN MORE THEN IT IS NOW clear enough for you? I think you are under the impression that your opinion is more then just that, an opinion. Others are disagreeing with you chance, Maybe you should get over it.



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