I'm going to try to keep this edition of the 'Perfecting the Roles' series as brief as possible because it's honestly not as in depth as some of my previous posts.

That doesn't make it any less important however and honestly I feel that this edition is the most important article I've written to date and I'm actually very intrigued to see what CCP Wolfman and Remnant have to say about it.

This all started as a rumor I heard among my corporation that Mass Drivers did full damage no matter what range as long as it was within the splash radius. Essentially what this meant is that one meter away or five meters away, it was still going to do the full amount of damage.

Well, to that end I have some good news and some bad news.

The good news is that this myth isn't true - there is an escalation toward damage as the round lands closer and closer to the target.

The bad news, and this is very important, is that splash damage completely ignores the rules of damage application to shields and armor. That being said, the damage application peak is pretty steep. From our testing we've found that at the very edge of it's splash radius it will do very little damage but it shoots straight up to it's full damage potential at around half of it's splash radius.

So let's talk a little more about the damage application toward tanking style and why this is important.

According to the laws of Weapon Efficiency vs Shield/Armor that the game sets forth, a standard Mass Driver with no skills (I.E, me) will do 242 direct damage and 116 splash damage at it's base. Now, being as it is an explosive weapon it's supposed to do less damage to shields and more damage to armor.

This is where we run into our first problem.

- The efficiency of the weapon isn't the same as is listed on the dev blog: https://web.ccpgamescdn.com/dust/news.control/64862/1/damageprofiles.jpg

As we can see here, the listed damage is -20% to shields and +20% to armor. It's actually something like -30% on shields and we're not sure what the efficiency is on armor because we weren't brave enough to go that far.

Now the second (and most important) problem.

- Splash damage is not affected by the reduced efficiency and will do normal damage.

We conducted the test by setting up a Nanohive as our staging point and having the target (in this case a Proto Heavy) stand 4m away. All skills considered on my end, the maximum splash radius on the Mass Driver is 4.2m. At approximately 2m, the weapon starts to dish out full splash damage. In this range we found a running average of 115.6 damage - right about what it's supposed to do without reduced efficiency.

Direct damage does have the application of reduced damage to shields, however, with direct rounds landing 170 damage consistently (reduced from 242, according to basic mathematics it's supposed to do 169.4, so this is right around what it's supposed to). Headshots are consistent as well, so the only discrepancy is the splash damage not being affected by these numbers.

That being said we tried some other weapons out to see how they were affected and whether or not this was localized just to the Mass Driver.

What we discovered is that there is definitely something odd going on with the weapons as the Forge Gun did a whopping 300 damage (splash damage for the militia is 231) and the Plasma Cannon did 323 (with my skills it was supposed to do 302 - though this is consistent with increased damage to shields). Unfortunately the testing site at this point was being harassed by other players who refused to acknowledge that we were testing for the sake of easy(ier?) kills.

So, what we do know is that there is some outside interference with Splash Damage. Something is occurring with it to increase the amount of damage beyond what is being listed on 'Show Info'. We don't know what it is yet but you can bet that we're going to be conducted further tests until we figure out exactly what it is.

If anyone has more information regarding this phenomenon, please inform us so that we may press for more accurate results.

CCP, if you're reading this, I'm sure we would all love a bit of investigation into what is happening!

Probably a bug. Before 1.3 I was dealing reduced damage to shields with splash, I haven't run a non-grenade weapon with splash after the update. My grenades appear to be having their damage reduced appropriately against shield players.

Thank for your work, CPM Hans got it forwarded.

hey can you do a perfecting the roles on ARs next? it would be interesting

The efficiency of the sniper rifle is off too. It has 90% on shields.

We tested Grenades sparsely, we're going to test those rather extensively later on once we have a more thorough understanding of what is actually happening and whether or not it applies with all weapons. Once we have that down, we'll tackle Locus and Flux grenades.

We did some testing of grenades. Locus grenades appear to be +/-30% instead of +/- 20%. Would like to see whether your results concur.

So nerf the mass driver again until it doesn't work? Well I guess so.

We did some testing of grenades. Locus grenades appear to be +/-30% instead of +/- 20%. Would like to see whether your results concur.

This would be a buff by anyone's rights. You need to lose the opinionated ideals and see past the red line at what's really going on, because if the damage isn't being reduced against shields than it's not being buffed against armor.

Now, please, don't jump to conclusions.

Ah I see. Sorry , just been on the defensive lately. People are getting on my nerves on forums lately crying about every damn weapon in the game.

who wants to bet the splash damage is being applied in such a way it picks up as a headshot since part of it has a vector to the head, no matter where the explosion comes from so it gets a boost from that ? not that all the damage counts as HS but some of it ?

Good work, Aeon. Hope CCP sees this.

To my knowledge it's been passed on via the CPM

Yeah, I saw that. I just hope CCP will consider your suggestions.

AR's are a finicky subject but I can see what I can do. They are my weapon of choice as well so there will definitely be some inevitable bias but I will do my best to keep a level head about it.

If it's any help to you, here's a few pages of community feedback on the AR. Maybe you'll find some use in it.

And good work Aeon. +1

This is a good thread Aeon. I hope these issues get raised as defects - especially the reduced splash damage range for friendly fire to oneself. At the very least I'd expect this thread to be highlighted in the 'bugs discussed this week' to at least determine if this is 'by design' or not.

Out of interest did you find that explosive weapon shots that were direct hits did both the direct hit damage and splash damage to the target? I have had a hunch this is happening but have no testing/data to confirm or debunk the theory.