DUST Search - All powerful militia shotgun

OZAROW wrote:

Assert Dominance wrote:

OZAROW wrote:

Assert Dominance wrote:

OZAROW wrote:

The gun is not worse because spread operation doesnt affect a militia weapon, but if you hit dead on with the creodon or a duvalle it's worse only because it shoots like a slug because of the operation bonus of a tight spread.
So basically your saying you can't aim!
Pay up!

It shoots like a slug? Not close, it shoots like a sloppy buckshot that doesnt register have the time, and i would pay if you truly convinced me proto is better. I has plenty isks to burn.

Stats prove the gun is worse I proved why it works better ,pay up

lolstats... As far as real gameplay, results do not differ, except not using proto gives me possibilities to enhance my suit, not paying you.

Your entire post was a troll post anyway, I don't need your money but you an I both know it's a stupid question an you won't pay anyone anyway, it's just a isk tease troll thread!

The militia has more spread because its a militia weapon so the only reason it works for you is because you can't aim!

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Assert Dominance Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 126	Posted - 2013.08.04 00:26:00 - [1] - Quote If anyone can prove its worse than the creodron excluding two less shells in a clip, ill give you 100 mil isk. I dont even use my proto shotty anymore lol.
Karazantor Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 133	Posted - 2013.08.04 01:00:00 - [2] - Quote Given the crappy shotgun mechanics at present, there is no use skilling up as we don't know if the final product will be any good. Also, said crappy mechanics (screwy hitboxes, laggy aiming and horrific hit detection) mean that its very difficult to tell the difference between any shotgun types at present, hit anything bar a proto and its dead, 50% of the time you won't hit though because 'computer says no'.
Seymor Krelborn DUST University Ivy League 441	Posted - 2013.08.04 01:01:00 - [3] - Quote Karazantor wrote: Given the crappy shotgun mechanics at present, there is no use skilling up as we don't know if the final product will be any good. Also, said crappy mechanics (screwy hitboxes, laggy aiming and horrific hit detection) mean that its very difficult to tell the difference between any shotgun types at present, hit anything bar a proto and its dead, 50% of the time you won't hit though because 'computer says no'. this is all true...
Cosgar ParagonX 3856	Posted - 2013.08.04 01:03:00 - [4] - Quote Optimal range is supposedly the worst out of all the shotguns.
Spec Ops Cipher Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 277	Posted - 2013.08.04 01:10:00 - [5] - Quote Assert Dominance wrote: If anyone can prove its worse than the creodron excluding two less shells in a clip, ill give you 100 mil isk. I dont even use my proto shotty anymore lol. MLT does 480 dam, does 100% dam at 5m. PRO does 528 dam, does 100% dam at 7m. Da daaaa! Don't send me the full hundred mil, only what you can spare :P Scout awaaaaaaay
Soozu 5o1st 152	Posted - 2013.08.04 01:11:00 - [6] - Quote Assert Dominance wrote: If anyone can prove its worse than the creodron excluding two less shells in a clip, ill give you 100 mil isk. I dont even use my proto shotty anymore lol. Reload is slower.... way slower... pay up.
Zendeal Horizons' Edge Orion Empire 6	Posted - 2013.08.04 01:35:00 - [7] - Quote Pretty much spot on with the range difference Yeah the damage is higher but the credon gets a range bonus. I tested it today and also the max range is about 1-2m more which falls in line with the previous posters stats It's somewhat useless for its cost. But Militia SG is garbage compared to all others, just skill into a standard with the option for an AUR. cG-3
OZAROW A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 278	Posted - 2013.08.04 01:53:00 - [8] - Quote It's a better sg if you have no points in the shotgun, the lower your points the better, because you hit better due to the fact that each level of shotgun operation tightens your spread, hence if you don't point up the sg it work as a sg is intended to work! Greater spread more damage excellent at close range! Other sg at proficiency only work well because it allows you to shoot faster, hence the hit detection problems. It's deceiving because the more points in the sg the worse it gets, you need operation high to open quick reload ammo an lower rof, but in doing this you lose the spread, so even tho a proto gun has more damage your optimal range decreases an you have to be way too accurate, a lot of passive skill in the game do not affect militia gear so that would mean that you still get a wider spread using a militia sg. I think I described this well enough an if your a merc of your word make the cheque payable to OZAROW
Assert Dominance Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 127	Posted - 2013.08.04 07:58:00 - [9] - Quote I dont agree with any of the points made, keeping mah isks.
Jade Hasegawa Intrepidus XI EoN. 29	Posted - 2013.08.04 08:19:00 - [10] - Quote Seymor Krelborn wrote: Karazantor wrote: Given the crappy shotgun mechanics at present, there is no use skilling up as we don't know if the final product will be any good. Also, said crappy mechanics (screwy hitboxes, laggy aiming and horrific hit detection) mean that its very difficult to tell the difference between any shotgun types at present, hit anything bar a proto and its dead, 50% of the time you won't hit though because 'computer says no'. this is all true... it is? I get ganked by shotties more often then anything other then the sodding redline snipers

OZAROW A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 280	Posted - 2013.08.04 11:25:00 - [11] - Quote Assert Dominance wrote: I dont agree with any of the points made, keeping mah isks. Well we all knew you wernt going to part with it anyway, admiting an paying would take some class
OZAROW A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 280	Posted - 2013.08.04 11:33:00 - [12] - Quote The gun is not worse because spread operation doesnt affect a militia weapon, but if you hit dead on with the creodon or a duvalle it's worse only because it shoots like a slug because of the operation bonus of a tight spread. So basically your saying you can't aim! Pay up!
BL4CKST4R WarRavens League of Infamy 903	Posted - 2013.08.04 11:40:00 - [13] - Quote Assert Dominance wrote: If anyone can prove its worse than the creodron excluding two less shells in a clip, ill give you 100 mil isk. I dont even use my proto shotty anymore lol. The fact you have a proto shotgun is what makes the militia shotgun good, skills.
Zendeal Horizons' Edge Orion Empire 6	Posted - 2013.08.04 11:45:00 - [14] - Quote Assert Dominance wrote: I dont agree with any of the points made, keeping mah isks. You were asking for proof, not asking for opinions. I would love it if CCP were to post the game data stats and remove the 100mil ISK from your account.
AP Grasshopper Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2013.08.04 11:52:00 - [15] - Quote The militia shotgun, forge gun and locus grenade are probably the 3 best militia weapons currently available.
Rusty Sandstorm Raven Accord Black Core Alliance 24	Posted - 2013.08.04 12:31:00 - [16] - Quote It has the word creodron in it, meaning it was born into a wealthy family. Unlike the other lesser peasant shotguns, the creodron's opinion actually means something to politicians.
Assert Dominance Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 132	Posted - 2013.08.04 17:36:00 - [17] - Quote OZAROW wrote: The gun is not worse because spread operation doesnt affect a militia weapon, but if you hit dead on with the creodon or a duvalle it's worse only because it shoots like a slug because of the operation bonus of a tight spread. So basically your saying you can't aim! Pay up! It shoots like a slug? Not close, it shoots like a sloppy buckshot that doesnt register have the time, and i would pay if you truly convinced me proto is better. I has plenty isks to burn.
mollerz Minja Scouts 802	Posted - 2013.08.04 17:41:00 - [18] - Quote Welcher.
ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 362	Posted - 2013.08.04 18:38:00 - [19] - Quote Assert Dominance wrote: OZAROW wrote: The gun is not worse because spread operation doesnt affect a militia weapon, but if you hit dead on with the creodon or a duvalle it's worse only because it shoots like a slug because of the operation bonus of a tight spread. So basically your saying you can't aim! Pay up! It shoots like a slug? Not close, it shoots like a sloppy buckshot that doesnt register have the time, and i would pay if you truly convinced me proto is better. I has plenty isks to burn. Lies. He is the core gamer, the bastard child of the casual and hardcore gamer. He invests the former's effort and cries when he doesn't get the latter's results. CrotchGrab 360 wrote: You're so philosophical. please adorn me with more pearls of wisdom.
OZAROW A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 288	Posted - 2013.08.04 18:46:00 - [20] - Quote Assert Dominance wrote: OZAROW wrote: The gun is not worse because spread operation doesnt affect a militia weapon, but if you hit dead on with the creodon or a duvalle it's worse only because it shoots like a slug because of the operation bonus of a tight spread. So basically your saying you can't aim! Pay up! It shoots like a slug? Not close, it shoots like a sloppy buckshot that doesnt register have the time, and i would pay if you truly convinced me proto is better. I has plenty isks to burn. Stats prove the gun is worse I proved why it works better ,pay up

Tectonic Fusion The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 94	Posted - 2013.08.04 19:36:00 - [21] - Quote AP Grasshopper wrote: The militia shotgun, forge gun and locus grenade are probably the 3 best militia weapons currently available. No love for the SMG?
Assert Dominance Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 134	Posted - 2013.08.04 23:44:00 - [22] - Quote OZAROW wrote: Assert Dominance wrote: OZAROW wrote: The gun is not worse because spread operation doesnt affect a militia weapon, but if you hit dead on with the creodon or a duvalle it's worse only because it shoots like a slug because of the operation bonus of a tight spread. So basically your saying you can't aim! Pay up! It shoots like a slug? Not close, it shoots like a sloppy buckshot that doesnt register have the time, and i would pay if you truly convinced me proto is better. I has plenty isks to burn. Stats prove the gun is worse I proved why it works better ,pay up lolstats... As far as real gameplay, results do not differ, except not using proto gives me possibilities to enhance my suit, not paying you.
OZAROW A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 289	Posted - 2013.08.04 23:55:00 - [23] - Quote Assert Dominance wrote: OZAROW wrote: Assert Dominance wrote: OZAROW wrote: The gun is not worse because spread operation doesnt affect a militia weapon, but if you hit dead on with the creodon or a duvalle it's worse only because it shoots like a slug because of the operation bonus of a tight spread. So basically your saying you can't aim! Pay up! It shoots like a slug? Not close, it shoots like a sloppy buckshot that doesnt register have the time, and i would pay if you truly convinced me proto is better. I has plenty isks to burn. Stats prove the gun is worse I proved why it works better ,pay up lolstats... As far as real gameplay, results do not differ, except not using proto gives me possibilities to enhance my suit, not paying you. Your entire post was a troll post anyway, I don't need your money but you an I both know it's a stupid question an you won't pay anyone anyway, it's just a isk tease troll thread! The militia has more spread because its a militia weapon so the only reason it works for you is because you can't aim!
Poplo Furuya Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 577	Posted - 2013.08.05 00:55:00 - [24] - Quote Assert Dominance wrote: OZAROW wrote: Assert Dominance wrote: OZAROW wrote: The gun is not worse because spread operation doesnt affect a militia weapon, but if you hit dead on with the creodon or a duvalle it's worse only because it shoots like a slug because of the operation bonus of a tight spread. So basically your saying you can't aim! Pay up! It shoots like a slug? Not close, it shoots like a sloppy buckshot that doesnt register have the time, and i would pay if you truly convinced me proto is better. I has plenty isks to burn. Stats prove the gun is worse I proved why it works better ,pay up lolstats... As far as real gameplay, results do not differ, except not using proto gives me possibilities to enhance my suit, not paying you. You didn't request proof that it was worse in practice. You requested proof that it was worse in any fashion other than magazine capacity. Which it is. 10% lower base damage, slower reload, 2 metres less on the optimal range. A couple of side-by-side screenshots taken in the course of a minute would satisfy your stated condition. Obviously you didn't actually intend to put your money where your mouth is otherwise your mouth would be more tightly regulated. The integrity to uphold declarations and the wisdom to not make half-arsed ones are fine qualities, both sadly absent in this thread.
10123Jman The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 47	Posted - 2013.08.05 01:31:00 - [25] - Quote Assert Dominance wrote: If anyone can prove its worse than the creodron excluding two less shells in a clip, ill give you 100 mil isk. I dont even use my proto shotty anymore lol. Militia shotgun sucks!! at least you get a lot of damage with the creodron breach can i please have that 100 million ISK???
Assert Dominance Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 137	Posted - 2013.08.05 01:31:00 - [26] - Quote OZAROW wrote: Assert Dominance wrote: OZAROW wrote: Assert Dominance wrote: OZAROW wrote: The gun is not worse because spread operation doesnt affect a militia weapon, but if you hit dead on with the creodon or a duvalle it's worse only because it shoots like a slug because of the operation bonus of a tight spread. So basically your saying you can't aim! Pay up! It shoots like a slug? Not close, it shoots like a sloppy buckshot that doesnt register have the time, and i would pay if you truly convinced me proto is better. I has plenty isks to burn. Stats prove the gun is worse I proved why it works better ,pay up lolstats... As far as real gameplay, results do not differ, except not using proto gives me possibilities to enhance my suit, not paying you. Your entire post was a troll post anyway, I don't need your money but you an I both know it's a stupid question an you won't pay anyone anyway, it's just a isk tease troll thread! The militia has more spread because its a militia weapon so the only reason it works for you is because you can't aim! I fail to see your logic here, quote where i said i cant aim with the creodron so i need to use militia and i really will pay you. And the fact that you believe the credron works as slug rounds is hilarious, you know the difference between buckshot and slug bro?
Eldest Dragon D3LTA FORC3 Inver Brass 61	Posted - 2013.08.05 02:27:00 - [27] - Quote Assert I agree its not really better, by any noticeable difference, and btw will you do me a favour.. tell jungian I owe him a head shot lmfao ;)
Rynoceros Rise Of Old Dudes 458	Posted - 2013.08.05 02:33:00 - [28] - Quote CRG-3 is all you need. If you like the hit detection roulette that happens between matches.
Konohamaru Sarutobi Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 560	Posted - 2013.08.05 02:42:00 - [29] - Quote Proto is more expensive. Dah. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OaiSHcHM0PA
Eldest Dragon D3LTA FORC3 Inver Brass 61	Posted - 2013.08.06 06:26:00 - [30] - Quote Check it out, just asked you to tell him assert, and 24 hours later what do you know...just gave jungian that bullet to the face I promised him. :) p.s. He's 1 good player though.. have to admit.. lol :p



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