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Thurak1 Psygod9 RISE of LEGION 22	Posted - 2013.08.03 02:01:00 - [1] - Quote I have been playing a heavy for several months now and i have maxed out my weapons (the HMG and forge gun) and maxed out my dropsuit and armor upgrades. I still get killed fairly often in CQC simply because as a heavy i can't turn very fast so assault or scout (especially scout) suits simply run around me and pop off a shot here and there. It used to be that there was a shield tank type of dropsuit that had less of a movement penalty and was considerably more mobile. Given the many weapons now that can polish off a heavy in under 6 rounds can someone please think about the mobility of a heavy? I am not saying that heavys need to be indestructible but i think some consideration is due especially with how short range the hmg is. Forge guns are somewhat of a saving grace at least with that i can kill someone before they mow me down with AR fire.
GET ATMESON Robbing The Hood 89	Posted - 2013.08.03 02:04:00 - [2] - Quote Thurak1 wrote: I have been playing a heavy for several months now and i have maxed out my weapons (the HMG and forge gun) and maxed out my dropsuit and armor upgrades. I still get killed fairly often in CQC simply because as a heavy i can't turn very fast so assault or scout (especially scout) suits simply run around me and pop off a shot here and there. It used to be that there was a shield tank type of dropsuit that had less of a movement penalty and was considerably more mobile. Given the many weapons now that can polish off a heavy in under 6 rounds can someone please think about the mobility of a heavy? I am not saying that heavys need to be indestructible but i think some consideration is due especially with how short range the hmg is. Forge guns are somewhat of a saving grace at least with that i can kill someone before they mow me down with AR fire. Turn up your X and Y to 80 -100. Helps alot
Dimitri Rascolovitch The Immortal Knights 12	Posted - 2013.08.03 02:07:00 - [3] - Quote GET ATMESON wrote: Thurak1 wrote: I have been playing a heavy for several months now and i have maxed out my weapons (the HMG and forge gun) and maxed out my dropsuit and armor upgrades. I still get killed fairly often in CQC simply because as a heavy i can't turn very fast so assault or scout (especially scout) suits simply run around me and pop off a shot here and there. It used to be that there was a shield tank type of dropsuit that had less of a movement penalty and was considerably more mobile. Given the many weapons now that can polish off a heavy in under 6 rounds can someone please think about the mobility of a heavy? I am not saying that heavys need to be indestructible but i think some consideration is due especially with how short range the hmg is. Forge guns are somewhat of a saving grace at least with that i can kill someone before they mow me down with AR fire. Turn up your X and Y to 80 -100. Helps alot even so, the heavys turn ludicriously slow
Meeko Fent Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 496	Posted - 2013.08.03 02:08:00 - [4] - Quote Dimitri Rascolovitch wrote: GET ATMESON wrote: Thurak1 wrote: I have been playing a heavy for several months now and i have maxed out my weapons (the HMG and forge gun) and maxed out my dropsuit and armor upgrades. I still get killed fairly often in CQC simply because as a heavy i can't turn very fast so assault or scout (especially scout) suits simply run around me and pop off a shot here and there. It used to be that there was a shield tank type of dropsuit that had less of a movement penalty and was considerably more mobile. Given the many weapons now that can polish off a heavy in under 6 rounds can someone please think about the mobility of a heavy? I am not saying that heavys need to be indestructible but i think some consideration is due especially with how short range the hmg is. Forge guns are somewhat of a saving grace at least with that i can kill someone before they mow me down with AR fire. Turn up your X and Y to 80 -100. Helps alot even so, the heavys turn ludicriously slow The fix? 1.4.
Dimitri Rascolovitch The Immortal Knights 12	Posted - 2013.08.03 02:15:00 - [5] - Quote Meeko Fent wrote: Dimitri Rascolovitch wrote: GET ATMESON wrote: Thurak1 wrote: I have been playing a heavy for several months now and i have maxed out my weapons (the HMG and forge gun) and maxed out my dropsuit and armor upgrades. I still get killed fairly often in CQC simply because as a heavy i can't turn very fast so assault or scout (especially scout) suits simply run around me and pop off a shot here and there. It used to be that there was a shield tank type of dropsuit that had less of a movement penalty and was considerably more mobile. Given the many weapons now that can polish off a heavy in under 6 rounds can someone please think about the mobility of a heavy? I am not saying that heavys need to be indestructible but i think some consideration is due especially with how short range the hmg is. Forge guns are somewhat of a saving grace at least with that i can kill someone before they mow me down with AR fire. Turn up your X and Y to 80 -100. Helps alot even so, the heavys turn ludicriously slow The fix? 1.4. i know, it sucks that we have to wait a month for it though
Thurak1 Psygod9 RISE of LEGION 22	Posted - 2013.08.03 02:20:00 - [6] - Quote Yea do you remember what it was like when there was a real shield heavy dropsuit? it was such a nice suit it had less armor but slightly more shields and less of a movement penalty. So you stacked up on shield extenders and had good protection and some mobility. I cant even get cover to evade mass drivers these days and dam those things have a big blast radius.
Oswald Rehnquist Abandoned Privilege General Tso's Alliance 103	Posted - 2013.08.03 03:21:00 - [7] - Quote fret not, everyone is going to be getting the same turn speed in 1.4. Since they thought everyone should strafe like a scout I figure turning speed like a scout would be the next step to equalize. Hey at least we go .4 faster than assaults while sprinting. I am actually happy for heavies, just not going to like what this is going to do to scouts.
Dimitri Rascolovitch The Immortal Knights 13	Posted - 2013.08.03 03:28:00 - [8] - Quote Oswald Rehnquist wrote: fret not, everyone is going to be getting the same turn speed in 1.4. Since they thought everyone should strafe like a scout I figure turning speed like a scout would be the next step to equalize. Hey at least we go .4 faster than assaults while sprinting. I am actually happy for heavies, just not going to like what this is going to do to scouts. i feel sorry for the scouts really, aside from heavies and dropship pilots the scouts really get the shaft
Thurak1 Psygod9 RISE of LEGION 22	Posted - 2013.08.03 03:35:00 - [9] - Quote Scout suits are really made for covert operations. Unfortunantly in the game there are not a great many covert roles to play. You can snipe very well on certain maps with a nice low profile / signature. You could skill into hacking very fast or you could simply try to be the eyes and ears for your squad or team painting targets of interest like tanks or maybe even attemping to place drop uplinks in places of strategic importance. Probably the most devastating role would be a sniper in a good spot. Then again there are the nova knife scouts that dont even show up on radar till after they have hit you.
Meeko Fent Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 499	Posted - 2013.08.03 03:44:00 - [10] - Quote Dimitri Rascolovitch wrote: Oswald Rehnquist wrote: fret not, everyone is going to be getting the same turn speed in 1.4. Since they thought everyone should strafe like a scout I figure turning speed like a scout would be the next step to equalize. Hey at least we go .4 faster than assaults while sprinting. I am actually happy for heavies, just not going to like what this is going to do to scouts. i feel sorry for the scouts really, aside from heavies and dropship pilots the scouts really get the shaft Well, at least they're fixing the SG.

Dimitri Rascolovitch The Immortal Knights 14	Posted - 2013.08.03 03:50:00 - [11] - Quote until some AR user gets killed by it and whines because its OP and they want cod514
Thurak1 Psygod9 RISE of LEGION 22	Posted - 2013.08.03 03:54:00 - [12] - Quote Dimitri Rascolovitch wrote: until some AR user gets killed by it and whines because its OP and they want cod514 yea i have noticed that on the forums people get all bent out of shape any time a weapon does more damage than the AR's or a AR gets nerfed because its obviously being exploited ( IE tactical AR and modded controllers taking out everything they get somewhat close to )
Rusty Shallows Black Jackals 208	Posted - 2013.08.03 05:50:00 - [13] - Quote Some of the suit limitations came across as high concept ideas for a game that doesn't need them. If Heavies had some kind of forward tanking ability then it would make sense to limit mobility. If Heavies has excessive tanking period then having more options to out maneuver them would definitely be needed. Oswald Rehnquist wrote: fret not, everyone is going to be getting the same turn speed in 1.4. Since they thought everyone should strafe like a scout I figure turning speed like a scout would be the next step to equalize. Hey at least we go .4 faster than assaults while sprinting. I am actually happy for heavies, just not going to like what this is going to do to scouts. CCP is aware of the Scouts issue. Although we were expecting some love for Dropships two months ago and nothing happened then. Scouts will get something tangible someday and God willing before the next game build.
GET ATMESON Robbing The Hood 93	Posted - 2013.08.03 05:53:00 - [14] - Quote If we change heavys up we will be 100% nerfed. I put money on that. People will cry about getting shot in CQC because thats were we work best. AR should be rang and semi bad at CQC. AR are not OP but the CQC should be changed. I dont want nerfs to be passed around tho so I dont QQ about it.
D legendary hero THE WARRIORS OF LEGEND 523	Posted - 2013.08.03 06:24:00 - [15] - Quote Thurak1 wrote: I have been playing a heavy for several months now and i have maxed out my weapons (the HMG and forge gun) and maxed out my dropsuit and armor upgrades. I still get killed fairly often in CQC simply because as a heavy i can't turn very fast so assault or scout (especially scout) suits simply run around me and pop off a shot here and there. It used to be that there was a shield tank type of dropsuit that had less of a movement penalty and was considerably more mobile. Given the many weapons now that can polish off a heavy in under 6 rounds can someone please think about the mobility of a heavy? I am not saying that heavys need to be indestructible but i think some consideration is due especially with how short range the hmg is. Forge guns are somewhat of a saving grace at least with that i can kill someone before they mow me down with AR fire. its funny when you forgun from the roof people say its OP, but when you snipe in a distant mountain somewhere its perfectly fine. people are still trying to nerf the forgun. hey, the real problem is that ARs can burn through your suit instantaneously (literally with 425 dps, if you have 1500ehp they still kill you in one clip in under 4 seconds. the average heavy has 1000 ehp.. so you survive 2.3 seconds if its just 1 AR shooting you...lol)
D legendary hero THE WARRIORS OF LEGEND 523	Posted - 2013.08.03 06:27:00 - [16] - Quote Thurak1 wrote: Scout suits are really made for covert operations. Unfortunantly in the game there are not a great many covert roles to play. You can snipe very well on certain maps with a nice low profile / signature. You could skill into hacking very fast or you could simply try to be the eyes and ears for your squad or team painting targets of interest like tanks or maybe even attemping to place drop uplinks in places of strategic importance. Probably the most devastating role would be a sniper in a good spot. Then again there are the nova knife scouts that dont even show up on radar till after they have hit you. scouts get killed by milita ARs in .7seconds upto its max ange where that TTK increases to .9 seconds. W00T!
Shattered Mirage The Enclave Syndicate Dark Taboo 54	Posted - 2013.08.03 08:19:00 - [17] - Quote D legendary hero wrote: Thurak1 wrote: Scout suits are really made for covert operations. Unfortunantly in the game there are not a great many covert roles to play. You can snipe very well on certain maps with a nice low profile / signature. You could skill into hacking very fast or you could simply try to be the eyes and ears for your squad or team painting targets of interest like tanks or maybe even attemping to place drop uplinks in places of strategic importance. Probably the most devastating role would be a sniper in a good spot. Then again there are the nova knife scouts that dont even show up on radar till after they have hit you. scouts get killed by milita ARs in .7seconds upto its max ange where that TTK increases to .9 seconds. W00T! A.R.s are waaaay OP...
General Erick Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 54	Posted - 2013.08.03 08:31:00 - [18] - Quote Thurak1 wrote: I have been playing a heavy for several months now and i have maxed out my weapons (the HMG and forge gun) and maxed out my dropsuit and armor upgrades. I still get killed fairly often in CQC simply because as a heavy i can't turn very fast so assault or scout (especially scout) suits simply run around me and pop off a shot here and there. It used to be that there was a shield tank type of dropsuit that had less of a movement penalty and was considerably more mobile. Given the many weapons now that can polish off a heavy in under 6 rounds can someone please think about the mobility of a heavy? I am not saying that heavys need to be indestructible but i think some consideration is due especially with how short range the hmg is. Forge guns are somewhat of a saving grace at least with that i can kill someone before they mow me down with AR fire. I think they took that out for the Caldari Heavy (Or whatever the shield guys are) that may come soon
ALPHA DECRIPTER M.E.R.C. Conventional Forces D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 204	Posted - 2013.08.03 09:25:00 - [19] - Quote looks at tombstone "Here lies the scout suite. May it rust in peace." `Sigh. Just another fun game of DUST .
Sean Mcbride XERCORE E X T E R M I N A T U S 11	Posted - 2013.08.04 18:08:00 - [20] - Quote I play both scout and heavy 7 million SP scout 4 million SP heavy and both need some serious work done to them to be effective but I can't say how bad the scout is in CQC because well I play a long range sniper scout.. But I know getting shredded by and AR user in CQC in a heavy just pisses me the frack off because as so many put it...and I know from real world experience the AR (which truly stands for Armalite Riffle not Assault RIffle) is a General Purpose Weapon. Master of Nothing but can decent at everything.

Oswald Rehnquist Abandoned Privilege General Tso's Alliance 115	Posted - 2013.08.04 19:41:00 - [21] - Quote Considering that Sentinels don't get equipment, I think they should get some sort of active hardeners, meaning an unprepared heavy will go down in 4 seconds, but a prepared heavy can charge out in the open for whatever given length of time to cross a gap and shrug off the damage. X seconds of 90% resistance gives you guys 4.26 to 7.6 seconds of life during X time frame. The concept is far from OP considering it has to be activated, so I don't see how others could try to tear the thought down.
THUNDERGROOVE ZionTCD 134	Posted - 2013.08.04 20:48:00 - [22] - Quote If they are in range of the HMG they can strafe faster than you can turn. Unless it's another heavy or amarr assault/logi
D legendary hero THE WARRIORS OF LEGEND 562	Posted - 2013.08.04 20:49:00 - [23] - Quote ^^right now a miltia Ar shooting at 1 heavy can tear his health down to zero in 1.5 seconds. an active hardener that give a heavy 75% resitanc would increase his life span substantially. this could work all it needs is a balancing factor like head shots still do full damage or flux grenades can turn it off or something...


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