DUST Search - Proto in pub matches

dday3six wrote:

bolsh lee wrote:

Part of the problem I see is veterans/any one who was playing before the CCP salvage buy out plan and/or connections with a corp who is active in PC, is sitting on a large mountain of ISK ive said it before and I still stand by it as im one that runs nothing but proto in pub matches...

Proto gear needs to be more expensive.... Proto cost is cheap when you're sitting on a mountain of isk and risk vs reward doesn't matter...

There may be some millionaires that keep their proto gear in the garage during pub matches but if you got it why not use it especially if you can afford to lose it...

1: Up the cost of proto gear so it feels like we're actually losing something valuable

2: Hope 1.4 match making can group people by gear and wallet size..

Cause I dont even hit tab when I drop out of the mcc or look at what kind of suit im shooting at just straight balls to the wall in my shiny non expensive proto gear...

Dont hate the player hate the game!

The issue with PRO costing more is a risk of creating a pay to win enviroment due to the existence of AUR items at PRO level. Proto is often the carrot which keeps players in the game. Whether it's a goal or playing with a toy which took months to obtain.

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Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 367	Posted - 2013.08.03 00:57:00 - [1] - Quote Da fuq?
Allah's Snackbar Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic 456	Posted - 2013.08.03 01:04:00 - [2] - Quote Tallen Ellecon wrote: Da fuq? Some just like to watch the world burn. Some worlds probably deserve it though to be honest.
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 894	Posted - 2013.08.03 01:06:00 - [3] - Quote Take it as a good practice for overcoming a gear disadvantage. If you can do well in standard gear fighting proto, you're gonna really kick ass when you put the black suits on.
BOOOGERTRON BORTZORG Expert Intervention Caldari State 350	Posted - 2013.08.03 01:07:00 - [4] - Quote Allah's Snackbar wrote: Tallen Ellecon wrote: Da fuq? Some just like to watch the world burn. Some worlds probably deserve it though to be honest. Ya. Take that people of Mercury.
GET ATMESON Robbing The Hood 88	Posted - 2013.08.03 01:08:00 - [5] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: Take it as a good practice for overcoming a gear disadvantage. If you can do well in standard gear fighting proto, you're gonna really kick ass when you put the black suits on. It doesn't matter if they are in proto. You have gun game + your team with gun game + being smart = beat there a$$ I never have a problem with proto in a pub.
dday3six Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 154	Posted - 2013.08.03 01:16:00 - [6] - Quote GET ATMESON wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: Take it as a good practice for overcoming a gear disadvantage. If you can do well in standard gear fighting proto, you're gonna really kick ass when you put the black suits on. It doesn't matter if they are in proto. You have gun game + your team with gun game + being smart = beat there a$$ I never have a problem with proto in a pub. I love how players always try to turn the discussion of these threads to talking about how good they are.
ZDub 303 TeamPlayers EoN. 1459	Posted - 2013.08.03 01:19:00 - [7] - Quote Why would you not run proto gear in all matches all of the time if you had the SP and ISK for it?
BLKDG ROYAL SQUAD Shadow of the Apocalypse 29	Posted - 2013.08.03 01:20:00 - [8] - Quote Forge guns make proto suits go bye bye Start making too expensive to bring in the protos into pub stomps cheers
Everything Dies Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 9	Posted - 2013.08.03 01:53:00 - [9] - Quote What are people referring to, when they mention "proto" in terms of public matches? Armor? Weapons? For example, I'm finally running in a proto (Basic) suit, but my weapons are a Lv5 sniper rifle, Lv3 swarm launcher or a Lv1 light weapon (currently a mass driver, but I'm getting ready to unlock shotguns and give them a try.) My shield extenders are advanced and armor fittings are all basic. I don't consider these to be over-powered (particularly if I try and fight up close) but would this be considered unfair? My offensive power is pretty much the same as it was with the Advanced suit--I've basically simply added more defense.
Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 2629	Posted - 2013.08.03 02:03:00 - [10] - Quote A teammate of mine (don't know who it was) called in a ton of merc pack BPO LAVs for us when the other team pulled proto out. Hilarity ensued.

Charlotte O'Dell 0uter.Heaven EoN. 822	Posted - 2013.08.03 02:17:00 - [11] - Quote But proto stomping is fun.
Killar-12 Molon Labe. League of Infamy 391	Posted - 2013.08.03 02:18:00 - [12] - Quote Implement Teiricide, Nuff Said
GET ATMESON Robbing The Hood 91	Posted - 2013.08.03 02:43:00 - [13] - Quote dday3six wrote: GET ATMESON wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: Take it as a good practice for overcoming a gear disadvantage. If you can do well in standard gear fighting proto, you're gonna really kick ass when you put the black suits on. It doesn't matter if they are in proto. You have gun game + your team with gun game + being smart = beat there a$$ I never have a problem with proto in a pub. I love how players always try to turn the discussion of these threads to talking about how good they are. I didnt talk about how good i am. I just sayed I dont have problems with proto in pub
Palatinate Gravity Prone EoN. 16	Posted - 2013.08.03 03:00:00 - [14] - Quote GET ATMESON wrote: dday3six wrote: GET ATMESON wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: Take it as a good practice for overcoming a gear disadvantage. If you can do well in standard gear fighting proto, you're gonna really kick ass when you put the black suits on. It doesn't matter if they are in proto. You have gun game + your team with gun game + being smart = beat there a$$ I never have a problem with proto in a pub. I love how players always try to turn the discussion of these threads to talking about how good they are. I didnt talk about how good i am. I just sayed I dont have problems with proto in pub Everytime I read a proto thread there's always people saying "I always beat protos" and you know dam well that 9/10 encounters with a proto 1 on 1 you get your arse torn in half.
KrazyEyeKilla The Phalanx Inc 18	Posted - 2013.08.03 03:15:00 - [15] - Quote ZDub 303 wrote: Why would you not run proto gear in all matches all of the time if you had the SP and ISK for it? This exactly.
8213 Grade No.2 70	Posted - 2013.08.03 03:23:00 - [16] - Quote Truth be told. Protos really only have 1.5 advantages. 1) They probably have a lot more HP to to bust through, that's how they usually win their gun fights. You may hit more shots, but you take less to die than them. 1.5) Chances are they have been playing the game for a while, so they are a little more knowledgeable. Give it time. These maps have a lot to learn about.
8213 Grade No.2 70	Posted - 2013.08.03 03:24:00 - [17] - Quote ZDub 303 wrote: Why would you not run proto gear in all matches all of the time if you had the SP and ISK for it? True. Its your character, its your gear. Use it how ever you want. If you can get away with it, why not use the best gear available to you?
RuckingFetard Better Hide R Die D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 469	Posted - 2013.08.03 03:56:00 - [18] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: A teammate of mine (don't know who it was) called in a ton of merc pack BPO LAVs for us when the other team pulled proto out. Hilarity ensued. Poor suckers
Nemo Bluntz TeamPlayers EoN. 199	Posted - 2013.08.03 04:37:00 - [19] - Quote Anyone who uses anything other than Militia Gear in pubs is a noob. Gotta give yourself artificial crutches to know that you're good at the RPGFPS where the other team is likely to also be using top gear. Also, did you put any points into passive skills (ie: Assault Rifle Proficiency)? If you did, way to use those extra 3% damage buffs per level you noob scrub. You have to use the weapons and gear that real ass players would use to win to be good. If its level 1 garbage? Hahahaha, is this your first day? But if you use stuff that is arbitrarily deemed 'too good', you're just a loser with too much isk. Get it?
Jax Saurian GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 67	Posted - 2013.08.03 05:29:00 - [20] - Quote Nemo Bluntz wrote: Anyone who uses anything other than Militia Gear in pubs is a noob. Gotta give yourself artificial crutches to know that you're good at the RPGFPS where the other team is likely to also be using top gear. Also, did you put any points into passive skills (ie: Assault Rifle Proficiency)? If you did, way to use those extra 3% damage buffs per level you noob scrub. You have to use the weapons and gear that real ass players would use to win to be good. If its level 1 garbage? Hahahaha, is this your first day? But if you use stuff that is arbitrarily deemed 'too good', you're just a loser with too much isk. Get it? ??? Not sure who side your on guessing neither

Tyrunis Bloodstone sephiroth clones D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 9	Posted - 2013.08.03 05:32:00 - [21] - Quote Yep the red eyes are in the building...and they are not that difficult to kill
SERPENT-Adamapple Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 151	Posted - 2013.08.03 05:36:00 - [22] - Quote Jax Saurian wrote: Nemo Bluntz wrote: Anyone who uses anything other than Militia Gear in pubs is a noob. Gotta give yourself artificial crutches to know that you're good at the RPGFPS where the other team is likely to also be using top gear. Also, did you put any points into passive skills (ie: Assault Rifle Proficiency)? If you did, way to use those extra 3% damage buffs per level you noob scrub. You have to use the weapons and gear that real ass players would use to win to be good. If its level 1 garbage? Hahahaha, is this your first day? But if you use stuff that is arbitrarily deemed 'too good', you're just a loser with too much isk. Get it? ??? Not sure who side your on guessing neither The side of the MCC
DJINN leukoplast Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 900	Posted - 2013.08.03 05:39:00 - [23] - Quote Proto gear in pub is only an issue when they have a full squad of 6 vs a bunch of randoms. Otherwise a few stray proto suits in a match is no big deal at all.
GET ATMESON Robbing The Hood 93	Posted - 2013.08.03 05:55:00 - [24] - Quote Palatinate wrote: GET ATMESON wrote: dday3six wrote: GET ATMESON wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: Take it as a good practice for overcoming a gear disadvantage. If you can do well in standard gear fighting proto, you're gonna really kick ass when you put the black suits on. It doesn't matter if they are in proto. You have gun game + your team with gun game + being smart = beat there a$$ I never have a problem with proto in a pub. I love how players always try to turn the discussion of these threads to talking about how good they are. I didnt talk about how good i am. I just sayed I dont have problems with proto in pub Everytime I read a proto thread there's always people saying "I always beat protos" and you know dam well that 9/10 encounters with a proto 1 on 1 you get your arse torn in half. Yea thats 1v1. In this game if you fight 1v1 your very lucky.
bolsh lee Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 336	Posted - 2013.08.03 05:59:00 - [25] - Quote Part of the problem I see is veterans/any one who was playing before the CCP salvage buy out plan and/or connections with a corp who is active in PC, is sitting on a large mountain of ISK ive said it before and I still stand by it as im one that runs nothing but proto in pub matches... Proto gear needs to be more expensive.... Proto cost is cheap when you're sitting on a mountain of isk and risk vs reward doesn't matter... There may be some millionaires that keep their proto gear in the garage during pub matches but if you got it why not use it especially if you can afford to lose it... 1: Up the cost of proto gear so it feels like we're actually losing something valuable 2: Hope 1.4 match making can group people by gear and wallet size.. Cause I dont even hit tab when I drop out of the mcc or look at what kind of suit im shooting at just straight balls to the wall in my shiny non expensive proto gear... Dont hate the player hate the game!
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 371	Posted - 2013.08.03 06:06:00 - [26] - Quote bolsh lee wrote: Part of the problem I see is veterans/any one who was playing before the CCP salvage buy out plan and/or connections with a corp who is active in PC, is sitting on a large mountain of ISK ive said it before and I still stand by it as im one that runs nothing but proto in pub matches... Proto gear needs to be more expensive.... Proto cost is cheap when you're sitting on a mountain of isk and risk vs reward doesn't matter... There may be some millionaires that keep their proto gear in the garage during pub matches but if you got it why not use it especially if you can afford to lose it... 1: Up the cost of proto gear so it feels like we're actually losing something valuable 2: Hope 1.4 match making can group people by gear and wallet size.. Cause I dont even hit tab when I drop out of the mcc or look at what kind of suit im shooting at just straight balls to the wall in my shiny non expensive proto gear... Dont hate the player hate the game! I'm all for freedom and personal responsibility. I think Proto should cost a lot more.
dday3six Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 155	Posted - 2013.08.03 06:16:00 - [27] - Quote bolsh lee wrote: Part of the problem I see is veterans/any one who was playing before the CCP salvage buy out plan and/or connections with a corp who is active in PC, is sitting on a large mountain of ISK ive said it before and I still stand by it as im one that runs nothing but proto in pub matches... Proto gear needs to be more expensive.... Proto cost is cheap when you're sitting on a mountain of isk and risk vs reward doesn't matter... There may be some millionaires that keep their proto gear in the garage during pub matches but if you got it why not use it especially if you can afford to lose it... 1: Up the cost of proto gear so it feels like we're actually losing something valuable 2: Hope 1.4 match making can group people by gear and wallet size.. Cause I dont even hit tab when I drop out of the mcc or look at what kind of suit im shooting at just straight balls to the wall in my shiny non expensive proto gear... Dont hate the player hate the game! The issue with PRO costing more is a risk of creating a pay to win enviroment due to the existence of AUR items at PRO level. Proto is often the carrot which keeps players in the game. Whether it's a goal or playing with a toy which took months to obtain.
bolsh lee Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 336	Posted - 2013.08.03 06:31:00 - [28] - Quote dday3six wrote: The issue with PRO costing more is a risk of creating a pay to win enviroment due to the existence of AUR items at PRO level. Proto is often the carrot which keeps players in the game. Whether it's a goal or playing with a toy which took months to obtain. Same story different price point.. It's bassicly that way now because those players that are NOT blessed with millions feel its mandatory to get proto to compete so they spend AUR in place of isk or SP they dont have... If anything its worse right now because the minority is hurting because of the **** poor matchmaking... If the price for isk variant proto went up the concept would stay the same spend AUR to get something quicker the carrot would still be there and imo with out a price increase that particular carrot that which CCP is holding could eventually wither away because of the amount of Isk in circulation... Especially if PvE gets implemented and say the payout is simillar to pubs if not more the average joe will be able to obtain isk just as quick if not close to that of a veteran in PC....
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 371	Posted - 2013.08.03 06:32:00 - [29] - Quote dday3six wrote: bolsh lee wrote: Part of the problem I see is veterans/any one who was playing before the CCP salvage buy out plan and/or connections with a corp who is active in PC, is sitting on a large mountain of ISK ive said it before and I still stand by it as im one that runs nothing but proto in pub matches... Proto gear needs to be more expensive.... Proto cost is cheap when you're sitting on a mountain of isk and risk vs reward doesn't matter... There may be some millionaires that keep their proto gear in the garage during pub matches but if you got it why not use it especially if you can afford to lose it... 1: Up the cost of proto gear so it feels like we're actually losing something valuable 2: Hope 1.4 match making can group people by gear and wallet size.. Cause I dont even hit tab when I drop out of the mcc or look at what kind of suit im shooting at just straight balls to the wall in my shiny non expensive proto gear... Dont hate the player hate the game! The issue with PRO costing more is a risk of creating a pay to win enviroment due to the existence of AUR items at PRO level. Proto is often the carrot which keeps players in the game. Whether it's a goal or playing with a toy which took months to obtain. Honestly the fears of P2W are outmatched by a need for more development. Ending excessive Proto stomping would make it more fun for old and new players.
HYENAKILLER X Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 106	Posted - 2013.08.03 07:16:00 - [30] - Quote Lol, when I go proto im raining hell.

Beowulf Folkvar HavoK Core RISE of LEGION 11	Posted - 2013.08.03 07:41:00 - [31] - Quote Palatinate wrote: GET ATMESON wrote: dday3six wrote: GET ATMESON wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: Take it as a good practice for overcoming a gear disadvantage. If you can do well in standard gear fighting proto, you're gonna really kick ass when you put the black suits on. It doesn't matter if they are in proto. You have gun game + your team with gun game + being smart = beat there a$$ I never have a problem with proto in a pub. I love how players always try to turn the discussion of these threads to talking about how good they are. I didnt talk about how good i am. I just sayed I dont have problems with proto in pub Everytime I read a proto thread there's always people saying "I always beat protos" and you know dam well that 9/10 encounters with a proto 1 on 1 you get your arse torn in half. If u have weapon proficiency then its easier to take protos but most of the time they work in teams so I get ripped a new hole.
Beowulf Folkvar HavoK Core RISE of LEGION 11	Posted - 2013.08.03 07:43:00 - [32] - Quote DJINN leukoplast wrote: Proto gear in pub is only an issue when they have a full squad of 6 vs a bunch of randoms. Otherwise a few stray proto suits in a match is no big deal at all. I agree. And its fun when u use militia gear and take a proto 1v1
Shattered Mirage The Enclave Syndicate Dark Taboo 54	Posted - 2013.08.03 08:10:00 - [33] - Quote Allah's Snackbar wrote: Tallen Ellecon wrote: Da fuq? Some just like to watch the world burn. Some worlds probably deserve it though to be honest. I wanna cause the world to burn!
Cat Merc BetaMax. 3788	Posted - 2013.08.03 08:20:00 - [34] - Quote I have too much ISK. Liquidation of assets does that.
Soozu 5o1st 146	Posted - 2013.08.03 08:46:00 - [35] - Quote Beowulf Folkvar wrote: DJINN leukoplast wrote: Proto gear in pub is only an issue when they have a full squad of 6 vs a bunch of randoms. Otherwise a few stray proto suits in a match is no big deal at all. I agree. And its fun when u use militia gear and take a proto 1v1 Yep this. I've played on non full Asian servers for most of my Dust career. Nothing hurts this game more than a full proto squad running in a pack and repeatedly smashing 3 or 4 singles. I have no doubt this is why they merged standard and OMS. A bit of advice to running against these types is sacrifice a clone when you put one down... that is when you catch one alone or up front shoot up his dead body till it goes grey rather than the 5 other attackers coming at you. Let them see you doing it, it feels good and you'll notice a change in the group towards you that earns a smile... full proto doing an about face and running from your militia suit... priceless. Don't forget the double taps.


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