As you can see there are a lot of people complaining about weapons being OP. I'm not trying insult CCP in anyway shape or form but urge you to just stop nerfing things.
I decided to buy the elite pack so I can invest my SP into mainly weaponry so I can test out the differences in them for myself. Here is a list of weapons that I currently have excluding the items that came with the elite pack.
Main Weapons :
Assault rifle lvl 4
Mass Driver lvl 3
Forge Gun lvl 4
Heavy Machine Gun lvl 4
Sniper rifle lvl 1
Scrambler Rifle lvl 1
Dren Weapons:
Dren Swarm Launcher
Dren Shot gun
Dren Scrambler Pistol
Dren Assault Rifle

Side Arms:
Flaylock lvl 5
Nova knife lvl 1

As you can see I own pretty much own all the weapons that people complain about being OP.
Not one out do a other in all situations, even the assault rifles falls short in certain situations. What IGÇÖve noticed by how you nerf certain weapons is mainly based on its performance (kills).
Now please answer this question, if you base your nerf on how many kills this weapon get how valid are your results? Why I ask this question let me explain. We all heard of GÇ£flavor of the monthGÇ¥, we all know what it means. It seems that whenever a gun is over used it gets nerfed which honestly is dumb because so far the Assault rifle is the flavor of the game. What IGÇÖm trying to express is that now I see people complaining about the forge gun, mass driver and even the nova knife which is sad. Think about this, if everyone starts using the nova knife will you nerf it because itGÇÖs OP or because itGÇÖs being used too much? Just because something is the flavor of the month does not mean its OP, it just means that people are starting to use this weapon more and more which honestly isnGÇÖt a bad thing . You canGÇÖt nerf things because its being USED a lot, itGÇÖs just wasting peopleGÇÖs time by making a weapon less effective just because someone got killed by it a couple times. I writing this and hoping that a dev or anyone on the team can understand that just because a couple of people are upset about this or that doesnGÇÖt mean you should just make anything else less effective.

Forge Gun nerf request: People claim the forge gun is OP because it can 1 shot any infantry and mainly because of the deadly forge snipers. They request that you make it like the swarm launcher (strictly AV) because its GÇ£OPGÇ¥ which imo is false. Think about it, even in the weapon description it CLEARLY STATES that itGÇÖs an ANTI MATERIAL WEAPON meaning it isnGÇÖt solely an ANTI VEHICLE. ItGÇÖs a unique gun mainly because itGÇÖs the ONLY weapon that is really effective for both infantry and vehicles. And it also has its MAJOR draw backs like charge time, slow reload and being on a slow moving sitting duck. As for forge sniping, it takes skill, itGÇÖs hard to move moving targets it requires a dropship and someone with amo. If a gun requires this much work to get a couple of kills on earth can it be OP?

Mass Driver nerf request: People claim its OP because it has 6 rounds per clip and the blast radius damage. You guys once already messed with it and made it so bad that people stopped using it. Now itGÇÖs finally useable and people already crying about it? Might aswell undo the nerf of the flaylock so people use that than people would ignore the mass driver. Honestly this gun isnGÇÖt as easy as you all make it sound. The arc takes time to get used to; it can kill the user if used incorrectly or if somebody runs right in front of you which happen a lot -_-. The gun has many draw backs that people ignore, the user has to place his shots right. He has to take into account the elevation, distance, structures and placement of the shot itself. It has almost NO amo. And already people want to nerf it to like 4 or 5 shots per clip? Um really?

Nova knife nerf request: Yea seriously someone asked to nerf them LOL, pathetic I really donGÇÖt have say much about them.
Flaylock nerf request: Yes people still want it either nerfed again or removed but so far the gun sucks right now, I can still get a decent amount of kills but now you have to be closer to the enemy to get a kill with it. I prefer the SMG now.

Assault Rifle: DonGÇÖt touch this gun really its fine. People complain about it as a way to attack the people who cry about OP. Which most of the people who cry OP are mostly AR users who donGÇÖt like to be taken out of their comfort zone. People say Dust AR or AR 514? But um its common sense, that gun is used the most in ALL FPS game out there. ItGÇÖs the cheapest to skill into and has the most BPOGÇ¥S out there for it. ItGÇÖs a jack of all trade guns which honestly isnGÇÖt a bad thing. Some say itGÇÖs a master of all trades but eh I disagree with that. After all I use most of the common guns in the game.

What IGÇÖm requesting is simple, edit the rules of how people should post their little suggestionGÇÖs. Hire a team of forum mods so they can keep an eye out on threads and remove or edit as needed. Please stop wasting your time on nerf request because they are keeping you all away from what really needs to be done like new game modes etc.
Please I urge you CCP, donGÇÖt fall into these nerf request and donGÇÖt strictly point the nerf hammer on just kill charts. Kill chars are invalid. Why? For example, barely anyone cries about the nova knife being OP, letGÇÖs say you donGÇÖt touch the knife at ALL but all the sudden people start using it A LOT, And people actually get GOOD at using THAT ONE UNTOUCHED WEAPON. Is it op when everyone starts using it? Is that what OP really mean? Of course people will always cry and complain and I will get trolled for this post. But IGÇÖve had it with the community always trying to change things so it fits their comfort zone.

This is a very arguable statement, but I will repliy to it anyway...

I Consider the STD AR like the DEVs thought of the TAR.

It Fills too many roles.

And by roles, I mean Ranges.

I, myself, think that cutting its range, and then Buffing EVERY other weapon, exempt the Sidearms, the ScR, and the Explosives.

And then, fine-tuning the weapons, so they fill their roles, like the Shotgun could use a slight Damage Buff (1-2 Points per pellet), the HMG also needs a slight damage Buff (1-3 Points), The Laser needs to have a larger range of effectiveness (Its mechanics make it more effective in a particular range bracket then in the rest of its range. It what kept it from being used in CQC when it wasn't in the shape it is now.), etcetera, etcetera, etcetera,

IIRC the devs rely more on their numbers than forum rantings. They still read the forums and take into account what people are saying but it's by no means the defining factor for game balancing.

Flaylock Steve is right guys. Having a nerf request on the AR or any of the other weapons at this point is like handing out feather pillows to Dusters, it won't fix anything because they are all pretty balanced. I've played since closed beta and this is the best balance it has ever had.

As for the rest, new game modes and more gear that will still need to be balanced (as it all does when new) need to be a priority or we as a community run the risk of having a stagnant game. Already there are calls for new game modes and new equipment, when will devs have time to program these things if all they are doing is balancing the limited selection of gear that is now quite well balanced?

Get your priorities straight, lets help this game get to a larger number of players than COD, it has the potential, just needs something added at this point to make it special (player market & PVE).

I think it's funny how the AR users say this after all the other useful weapons have been nerfed. Now it's "ok, step back, and focus on priorities"

Well, perhaps one more nerf should be in store before they do that.

Yeah a balance where one weapon accounts for more kills than 10 or 11 combined isn't anywhere near balanced, and for the record, this isn't the best balance that they've had (unless you're part of the king AR crowd).

Flaylock Steve is right guys. Having a nerf request on the AR or any of the other weapons at this point is like handing out feather pillows to Dusters, it won't fix anything because they are all pretty balanced. I've played since closed beta and this is the best balance it has ever had.

As for the rest, new game modes and more gear that will still need to be balanced (as it all does when new) need to be a priority or we as a community run the risk of having a stagnant game. Already there are calls for new game modes and new equipment, when will devs have time to program these things if all they are doing is balancing the limited selection of gear that is now quite well balanced?

Get your priorities straight, lets help this game get to a larger number of players than COD, it has the potential, just needs something added at this point to make it special (player market & PVE).

Yup.

While the AR/ARs will always be more common then the other guns, being able to account for the kills of 11 weapons combined is Ludacris, and many guns need buffs (LRs, HMG, etc....).

One Last Swing, but try to make it a real light one, and then get out the buffer.

Don't forget the Wax either.

Yup.

While the AR/ARs will always be more common then the other guns, being able to account for the kills of 11 weapons combined is Ludacris, and many guns need buffs (LRs, HMG, etc....).

One Last Swing, but try to make it a real light one, and then get out the buffer.

Don't forget the Wax either.

Just because something gets more time on the kill feed doesn't make it unbalanced.

If you actually want to see if a weapon is balanced you can't just look at how many kills it gets overall, you need to look at how many kills it gets per user life and compare it to similar stats for other weapons(also take into account operation and proficiency levels). This should get you a general idea of current weapon balance.

Forge Guns = agree

MD = Although I hate any grenade launcher in shooters I will withhold complaints of this gun on the forums until I use it myself. (I've not been giving this weapon a fair trial so far so judging it would be wrong of me.)

Knives = The guy actually gave up on that topic LOL. But really, how can one say that the knives of all weapons ever made on any game, was actually OP?

Flaylock = I used the flaylock the day b4 1.3 and other then the random glitches were players would take no damage at all, every shot actually netted me a kill. Glitch aside I felt it was OP. Have yet to use it since 1.3 but based on the blog I felt the nerf went a bit too far by reducing it's direct damage as direct hits are actually difficult to get.

AR = Agree. I don't use AR, with the exception of test characters and starter fits, but I know for a fact that nerfing them would be a dumb move. AR are supposed to be, like the assault class, flexible.

P.S. Ammo has two "m"s and +1 for voicing your opinions.

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`Sigh. Just another fun game of DUST .

Any weapon, like the AR, that's used by the vast majority of players, and outguns it's close cousin (scrambler rifle) 10 to one, is, most definitely OP and hurting the game.

I know you guys all use it, and it hurts to hear your build is OP, but it is.

I see you've never played with or against me. I use mass drivers exclusively.


In any case the point I was trying to make is that you can't judge weapon balance based on the kill feed alone.

I only have one gun I think is OP and that's the Mass Driver. I can't escape that thing for nothing. And every guy I encounter with one that I've gotten in their face (shotgunner) they never get a suicide. Splash is too high. Radius is kinda high too. It seems everyone is using them now because it's the easiest weapon to get a kill with. Which is stupid. People complain about the AR it's pretty worthless in CQC. Hip fire has to be spray and pray I've noticed, medium range is effective, and long range if the guy just keeps moving then he will probably beat you. I play with the AR so I know. Most guys I kill with the AR are because I'm behind them, they're standing still, or they keep moving either foward, left or right. They don't mix them up.

Flaylock got nerfed, I'm very happy about it. I still use my flaylock and I do good. It's actually a sidearm now. I don't do as good because the hit detection is horrible in this game. But guess what, NO ONE uses flaylock anymore.

Mass Driver doesn't needd skill to use. Fire, hit, fire, hit. MAYBE you get lucky and he misses. With the AR, you shoot, and hope the guy doesn't move too much. Everyone knows it. Mass Driver doesn't need the nerf bat, but it does need to get tickled down some.

I only have one gun I think is OP and that's the Mass Driver. I can't escape that thing for nothing. And every guy I encounter with one that I've gotten in their face (shotgunner) they never get a suicide. Splash is too high. Radius is kinda high too. It seems everyone is using them now because it's the easiest weapon to kill with. Which is stupid. People complain about the AR it's pretty worthless in CQC. Hip fire has to be spray and pray I've noticed, medium range is MD effective at long range if the guy just keeps moving then he will probably beat you. I play with the AR now. Most guys I kill with the AR are because I'm behind them, they're standing still, or they keep movin. foward, left or right. They don't mix them up.

Flaylock got nerfed, I'm very happy about it. I still use my flaylock and I do good. It's actually a sidearm now. I don't do as good because the hit detection is horrible in this game. But guess what, NO ONE uses flaylock anymore.

Mass Driver doesn't needd skill to use. Fire, hit, fire, hit. MAYBE you get lucky and he misses. With the AR, you shoot, and hope the guy doesn't move too much. Everyone knows it. Mass Driver doesn't need the nerf bat, but it does need to get tickled down some.

waaahh make asking for nerfs against forum rules!

Seriously dude, CCP are not sheeple. Asking to nerf "nerf XXX threads" is a bit silly.

Any weapon, like the AR, that's used by the vast majority of players, and outguns it's close cousin (scrambler rifle) 10 to one, is, most definitely OP and hurting the game.

I know you guys all use it, and it hurts to hear your build is OP, but it is.

So, let's say that they remove the AR, and everyone starts using the scrambler rifle cause is the most similar weapon to the AR. scrambler rifle is now the most used weapon cause is the weapon most people is familiar with, NOW the scrambler rifle is OP??

Flaylock Steve is right guys. Having a nerf request on the AR or any of the other weapons at this point is like handing out feather pillows to Dusters, it won't fix anything because they are all pretty balanced. I've played since closed beta and this is the best balance it has ever had.

As for the rest, new game modes and more gear that will still need to be balanced (as it all does when new) need to be a priority or we as a community run the risk of having a stagnant game. Already there are calls for new game modes and new equipment, when will devs have time to program these things if all they are doing is balancing the limited selection of gear that is now quite well balanced?

Get your priorities straight, lets help this game get to a larger number of players than COD, it has the potential, just needs something added at this point to make it special (player market & PVE).

I think it's funny how the AR users say this after all the other useful weapons have been nerfed. Now it's "ok, step back, and focus on priorities"

Well, perhaps one more nerf should be in store before they do that.

Yeah a balance where one weapon accounts for more kills than 10 or 11 combined isn't anywhere near balanced, and for the record, this isn't the best balance that they've had (unless you're part of the king AR crowd).

it needs the damn bugs fixing and punishing the MCC AFK scrubbers too

So, let's say that they remove the AR, and everyone starts using the scrambler rifle cause is the most similar weapon to the AR. scrambler rifle is now the most used weapon cause is the weapon most people is familiar with, NOW the scrambler rifle is OP??