DUST Search - Sticky:We are increasing Clone Pack Amounts

CCP FoxFour wrote:

To be honest I wish we had been quicker to respond to this, and for that you have my apologies. Summer around the office here in Iceland means that so many people are out on vacation and getting things done can be a bit tricky.

Keeping this simple for now I reviewed the numbers and player feedback and do agree that 100 clones is to few to offer a decent chance of winning for the attacker.

Increase clone pack size from 100 clones to 120 clones.
Increase clone pack cost from 30m ISK to 36m ISK.

That is a 20% increase to both the size and cost of the clone package.

For now I think we will also leave the minimum clones for immediate re-attack at 100, I highly doubt anyone is going to win with only 20 clones and if they do... well good for them. :)

I would like to open this up to debate and discussion though and see if anyone has a reason for it going up to 125 or some other number.

I hope to have this out next week, but I don't know what EVE's deployment schedule is so need to double check that which means we have a few days to discuss.

With all of that said, there is one lingering thing: Unless I have video proof of The Black Jackal cheering this won't happen. See here: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1128131#post1128131 He promised me cheering, I demand my cheering! Evil

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CCP FoxFour C C P C C P Alliance 27600	Posted - 2013.08.01 15:16:00 - [1] - Quote To be honest I wish we had been quicker to respond to this, and for that you have my apologies. Summer around the office here in Iceland means that so many people are out on vacation and getting things done can be a bit tricky. Keeping this simple for now I reviewed the numbers and player feedback and do agree that 100 clones is to few to offer a decent chance of winning for the attacker. Increase clone pack size from 100 clones to 120 clones. Increase clone pack cost from 30m ISK to 36m ISK. That is a 20% increase to both the size and cost of the clone package. For now I think we will also leave the minimum clones for immediate re-attack at 100, I highly doubt anyone is going to win with only 20 clones and if they do... well good for them. :) I would like to open this up to debate and discussion though and see if anyone has a reason for it going up to 125 or some other number. I hope to have this out next week, but I don't know what EVE's deployment schedule is so need to double check that which means we have a few days to discuss. With all of that said, there is one lingering thing: Unless I have video proof of The Black Jackal cheering this won't happen. See here: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1128131#post1128131 He promised me cheering, I demand my cheering! CCP SocksFour Game Designer // Team True Grit

Kain Spero Spero Escrow Services 1868	Posted - 2013.08.01 15:25:00 - [2] - Quote This is an awesome and very welcomed change! I had a question about the immediate re-attacks that might spawn from these. If the immediate re-attack fails the attacker still gets their window so if they launch another attack it lands the next day correct?
Heinrich Jagerblitzen D3LTA FORC3 Inver Brass 566	Posted - 2013.08.01 16:02:00 - [3] - Quote Many thanks! Perfect little adjustment, this will help a lot more corporations get involved with Planetary Conquest. We appreciate you listening to the community. o7
Iskandar Zul Karnain Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 1505	Posted - 2013.08.01 16:19:00 - [4] - Quote I'm happy to see this change. Hopefully we will see more of the little guys breaking into PC.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 6853	Posted - 2013.08.01 17:40:00 - [5] - Quote Woot.
Torr Wrath Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 554	Posted - 2013.08.01 17:46:00 - [6] - Quote Seems like a solid change. I am all for it.
Draco Cerberus Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 227	Posted - 2013.08.01 18:02:00 - [7] - Quote That is perfect, in the event that someone wins with 20 clones it should tell them that they should have gotten into PC a lot sooner. I welcome this change.
mini rehak The Southern Legion 41	Posted - 2013.08.01 19:30:00 - [8] - Quote Jackal get that video out NOW!
Soraya Xel New Eden's Most Wanted Top Men. 216	Posted - 2013.08.01 20:41:00 - [9] - Quote CCP FoxFour wrote: For now I think we will also leave the minimum clones for immediate re-attack at 100, I highly doubt anyone is going to win with only 20 clones and if they do... well good for them. :) So you endorse that a clone pack should take a district from a no show in one night then. Because 20 more clones has a drastic effect in that regard.
Scrote Schroder The Southern Legion 58	Posted - 2013.08.01 22:03:00 - [10] - Quote Thank you CCP, PC in general is now such a pleasure to play - winning or losing. The battles for TSOLE are much more evenly matched now we have a stable game environment that plays well and feels nice. The 100 clones has forced us to really sharpen our game against the talent we have been fighting the past few weeks. We have even won a few times in this build :). The matches we haven't won have still been so close that we were all on the edge of our seats - both sides MCC's on 0 Armour has been a fairly common occurance. I was saying to the guys a few days ago that the matches have been more exciting than watching high profile sports matches where the teams are head to head in the final minute. Having 120 clones will give us that little bit more freedom to be more aggressive in the match, as we have had several battles lost because of literally one clone. Thanks again guys, we will be happy to test your changes.

WhiskeyJack Otako The Southern Legion 110	Posted - 2013.08.01 22:20:00 - [11] - Quote I will paint your name on my forehead and race thru town naked if you'll turn on friendly fire in the MCC on the Oceania server.
The Loathing The Southern Legion 196	Posted - 2013.08.01 22:48:00 - [12] - Quote Absolutely phenomenal news Fox! Thanks for giving us the time of day on the matter. Pretty much everything else I had to say Scrote has touched on. 1 more thing to do now. Get that bloody footage off Jackal. Challenge Accepted!
Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 2599	Posted - 2013.08.01 23:17:00 - [13] - Quote Di you really need to put [DEV POST] in the title?
The Black Jackal The Southern Legion 663	Posted - 2013.08.02 01:57:00 - [14] - Quote CCP FoxFour wrote: To be honest I wish we had been quicker to respond to this, and for that you have my apologies. Summer around the office here in Iceland means that so many people are out on vacation and getting things done can be a bit tricky. Keeping this simple for now I reviewed the numbers and player feedback and do agree that 100 clones is to few to offer a decent chance of winning for the attacker. Increase clone pack size from 100 clones to 120 clones. Increase clone pack cost from 30m ISK to 36m ISK. That is a 20% increase to both the size and cost of the clone package. For now I think we will also leave the minimum clones for immediate re-attack at 100, I highly doubt anyone is going to win with only 20 clones and if they do... well good for them. :) I would like to open this up to debate and discussion though and see if anyone has a reason for it going up to 125 or some other number. I hope to have this out next week, but I don't know what EVE's deployment schedule is so need to double check that which means we have a few days to discuss. With all of that said, there is one lingering thing: Unless I have video proof of The Black Jackal cheering this won't happen. See here: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1128131#post1128131 He promised me cheering, I demand my cheering! Will get that vid to you ASAP.!!!!! A promise is a promise!
TrueXer0z DUST University Ivy League 47	Posted - 2013.08.02 08:32:00 - [15] - Quote there should be different clone packs. 100 - 30m 150 - 50m If you win a match and want to drop another clone pack, make only the 100 open. simple imo...just have both. prices modified to ccp's personal preference. But, seems like there is no reason to not have the choice. Edit: I would say that the least that could be done is that you can put the option in...if it seems like it is being used then great, if not...then oh well take it out again.

CCP FoxFour C C P C C P Alliance 27670	Posted - 2013.08.02 10:45:00 - [16] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Di you really need to put [DEV POST] in the title? It makes me feel special OK. CCP SocksFour Game Designer // Team True Grit

The Black Jackal The Southern Legion 666	Posted - 2013.08.02 13:30:00 - [17] - Quote http://youtu.be/atq0M2mMWEQ Because I made you a promise FoxFour. Disclaimer: Cracked, damaged, or broken screens resulting due to allowing this video to be seen on them are NOT the fault of The Black Jackal, The Southern Legion, or any other affiliates. YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED.
Arcturis Vanguard Pure Innocence. EoN. 61	Posted - 2013.08.02 16:52:00 - [18] - Quote TrueXer0z wrote: there should be different clone packs. 100 - 30m 150 - 50m If you win a match and want to drop another clone pack, make only the 100 open. simple imo...just have both. prices modified to ccp's personal preference. But, seems like there is no reason to not have the choice. Edit: I would say that the least that could be done is that you can put the option in...if it seems like it is being used then great, if not...then oh well take it out again. I like the idea of a couple of choices. Maybe 120 clones for one pack and then 150 for another. I like the idea of a deeper pool of clone to assault a district that has a deep reserve. Depending on how the battle goes, an attacking Corp could relaunch right after the battle? It would be a risk verse reward for the attacking Corp. Risk being cloned out on the reattack in hopes of grinding down more clones, which would be the reward. What do you guys think?
Arcturis Vanguard Pure Innocence. EoN. 61	Posted - 2013.08.02 16:54:00 - [19] - Quote Arcturis Vanguard wrote: TrueXer0z wrote: there should be different clone packs. 100 - 30m 150 - 50m If you win a match and want to drop another clone pack, make only the 100 open. simple imo...just have both. prices modified to ccp's personal preference. But, seems like there is no reason to not have the choice. Edit: I would say that the least that could be done is that you can put the option in...if it seems like it is being used then great, if not...then oh well take it out again. I like the idea of a couple of choices. Maybe 120 clones for one pack and then 150 for another. I like the idea of a deeper pool of clone to assault a district that has a deep reserve. Depending on how the battle goes, an attacking Corp could relaunch right after the battle? It would be a risk verse reward for the attacking Corp. Risk being cloned out on the reattack in hopes of grinding down more clones, which would be the reward. What do you guys think? Of course this really benefits corps trying to get into PC, as most established corps will be attacking with their own districts that have high clone counts...
mini rehak The Southern Legion 42	Posted - 2013.08.02 18:57:00 - [20] - Quote The Black Jackal wrote: http://youtu.be/atq0M2mMWEQ Because I made you a promise FoxFour. Disclaimer: Cracked, damaged, or broken screens resulting due to allowing this video to be seen on them are NOT the fault of The Black Jackal, The Southern Legion, or any other affiliates. YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED. Aww where was the pirate hat, eye patch, and parrot?

RydogV Shadow Company HQ 239	Posted - 2013.08.02 19:38:00 - [21] - Quote Great news. Now the next step in the chain of evolutionary change: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=99325&find=unread
Skipper Jones Murder Cakes Of Doom 573	Posted - 2013.08.03 17:46:00 - [22] - Quote The Black Jackal wrote: http://youtu.be/atq0M2mMWEQ Because I made you a promise FoxFour. Disclaimer: Cracked, damaged, or broken screens resulting due to allowing this video to be seen on them are NOT the fault of The Black Jackal, The Southern Legion, or any other affiliates. YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED. I was expecting pom poms...
The Black Jackal The Southern Legion 682	Posted - 2013.08.04 04:49:00 - [23] - Quote Skipper Jones wrote: The Black Jackal wrote: http://youtu.be/atq0M2mMWEQ Because I made you a promise FoxFour. Disclaimer: Cracked, damaged, or broken screens resulting due to allowing this video to be seen on them are NOT the fault of The Black Jackal, The Southern Legion, or any other affiliates. YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED. I was expecting pom poms... Sorry, I don't have pom poms. and I'm Australian. We don't 'cheer' like that.
gargantuise aaron Sanguine Knights 1	Posted - 2013.08.08 08:01:00 - [24] - Quote I would like to see multiple clone packs, with the bigger ones being slightly more cost effective, but please never involve aurium in the clone packages
bardghost First Assault Legacy Legion 0	Posted - 2013.08.09 10:42:00 - [25] - Quote gargantuise aaron wrote: I would like to see multiple clone packs, with the bigger ones being slightly more cost effective, but please never involve aurium in the clone packages do aurum but still be able to use isk to pay for the same packs then people like me who have aurum left over but dont know what to use it for can use it
Yosef Autaal KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 116	Posted - 2013.08.09 11:47:00 - [26] - Quote I preferred the size of 100 for the reason is you couldn't use the clone packs to take a district in one day (though I'm not 100% sure but I guess if you didn't loose a single clone you could re-attack) with this disadvantage of packs it made a real difference between the choice to use a pack or attack with a districts clones. the tough battle can go with both sides loosing over 100 clones but a white wash will see the winners only loosing a handful of clones, so with 120 clones a good corp can now steal a district anywhere from a small weak corp with a single pack without much chance for the defenders to try and assemble
The Black Jackal The Southern Legion 699	Posted - 2013.08.10 06:19:00 - [27] - Quote Why has this seemingly vanished? Ity's not stickied anymore.
Cenex Langly D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 164	Posted - 2013.08.10 13:32:00 - [28] - Quote Yay!

CCP FoxFour C C P C C P Alliance 28032	Posted - 2013.08.12 18:29:00 - [29] - Quote I just wanted to keep you guys updated: We have not forgotten about this. We are just very busy with polishing up 1.4. This is still happening, it's just slipped a little bit. I will try and get you a more accurate date as soon as possible. Game Designer // Team True Grit http://twitter.com/regnerba

Soraya Xel New Eden's Most Wanted Top Men. 246	Posted - 2013.08.12 19:50:00 - [30] - Quote Thanks. Was starting to wonder if we were waiting for 1.4 to get this change.

gargantuise aaron Sanguine Knights 38	Posted - 2013.08.12 20:31:00 - [31] - Quote Have the option to by 100+ x clones so you can buy as many as you want
SponkSponkSponk The Southern Legion 185	Posted - 2013.08.13 01:44:00 - [32] - Quote Good to see it's back on the agenda.
Kain Spero Spero Escrow Services 1945	Posted - 2013.08.16 17:53:00 - [33] - Quote CCP FoxFour wrote: I just wanted to keep you guys updated: We have not forgotten about this. We are just very busy with polishing up 1.4. This is still happening, it's just slipped a little bit. I will try and get you a more accurate date as soon as possible. Thanks for keeping us posted. Any update on when this change will actually land?

CCP FoxFour C C P C C P Alliance 28086	Posted - 2013.08.19 15:54:00 - [34] - Quote This change will be going out with tomorrows, Tuesday August 19th, deployment. CCP FoxFour wrote: Increase clone pack size from 100 clones to 120 clones. Increase clone pack cost from 30m ISK to 36m ISK. Game Designer // Team True Grit http://twitter.com/regnerba

Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 7478	Posted - 2013.08.19 15:57:00 - [35] - Quote Woot
Zeylon Rho Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1923	Posted - 2013.08.19 15:57:00 - [36] - Quote CCP FoxFour wrote: This change will be going out with tomorrows, Tuesday August 19th, deployment. CCP FoxFour wrote: Increase clone pack size from 100 clones to 120 clones. Increase clone pack cost from 30m ISK to 36m ISK. Tuesday is the 20th.
Absolute Idiom II No Free Pass 445	Posted - 2013.08.19 15:59:00 - [37] - Quote Zeylon Rho wrote: CCP FoxFour wrote: This change will be going out with tomorrows, Tuesday August 19th, deployment. CCP FoxFour wrote: Increase clone pack size from 100 clones to 120 clones. Increase clone pack cost from 30m ISK to 36m ISK. Tuesday is the 20th.
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 199	Posted - 2013.08.19 16:00:00 - [38] - Quote Indeed this makes the horde very happy, how very convenient.

CCP FoxFour C C P C C P Alliance 28087	Posted - 2013.08.19 16:01:00 - [39] - Quote I fixed the date. I r dumb dumb. :( Game Designer // Team True Grit http://twitter.com/regnerba

TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 199	Posted - 2013.08.19 16:01:00 - [40] - Quote Why not 150 and don't raise the price,

Beren Hurin The Vanguardians 1120	Posted - 2013.08.19 16:02:00 - [41] - Quote Aren't you on vacation Foxfour?
Exergonic TeamPlayers EoN. 305	Posted - 2013.08.19 19:48:00 - [42] - Quote CCP FoxFour wrote: I fixed the date. I r dumb dumb. :( Give me Gum gum dumb dumb!
Prangstar RND Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 174	Posted - 2013.08.19 20:01:00 - [43] - Quote price should go back to 80 mil.
Jungian Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 154	Posted - 2013.08.19 21:57:00 - [44] - Quote lol. took a while, but was that a surprise? no. it was expected.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. League of Infamy 912	Posted - 2013.08.19 23:17:00 - [45] - Quote CCP FoxFour wrote: This change will be going out with tomorrows, Tuesday August 20th, deployment. CCP FoxFour wrote: Increase clone pack size from 100 clones to 120 clones. Increase clone pack cost from 30m ISK to 36m ISK. So you guys look at the data from PC and decide to increase the cost of clone packs? I'm not sure what data you guys look at, but PC is dead. There's no demand. I'll give you one guess. What would be the best way to increase purchases of clone packs? It's not hard, I'll give you a hint. Google supply and demand.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. League of Infamy 913	Posted - 2013.08.19 23:18:00 - [46] - Quote Prangstar RND wrote: price should go back to 80 mil. Are you freakin serious? There's no team deploy. There's no corp battle. Most people can't afford them at 30 and you want to increase it to 80? Please give me an explanation of your logic.
Beren Hurin The Vanguardians 1203	Posted - 2013.08.23 17:05:00 - [47] - Quote Evelopedia needs an update.
gargantuise aaron Sanguine Knights 106	Posted - 2013.08.23 17:11:00 - [48] - Quote bardghost wrote: gargantuise aaron wrote: I would like to see multiple clone packs, with the bigger ones being slightly more cost effective, but please never involve aurium in the clone packages do aurum but still be able to use isk to pay for the same packs then people like me who have aurum left over but dont know what to use it for can use it It would make this game ptw
Levithunder Nova Corps Marines Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 33	Posted - 2013.08.23 18:39:00 - [49] - Quote thank you ccp for funding the mega corps limitless isk to repeatedly pub stomp me with. PC clone starter pack 10,000,000isk If you lose a battle against the defender you get payed isk for trying .


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