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Starshine Etherium
Greywolf Syndicate
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Posted - 2013.08.01 09:33:00 -
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it only makes sense to have an AV suit to counter. Why the hell should a madrugar get a buff? |
ChromeBreaker
SVER True Blood
964
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Posted - 2013.08.01 09:34:00 -
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Starshine Etherium wrote:it only makes sense to have an AV suit to counter. Why the hell should a madrugar get a buff?
Full vehicle ballance pass for 1.4 / 1.5... including AV
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Paladin Sas
Pro Hic Immortalis
League of Infamy
148
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Posted - 2013.08.01 09:34:00 -
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Starshine Etherium wrote:it only makes sense to have an AV suit to counter. Why the hell should a madrugar get a buff?
i assume someone with a madrugar beat the crap out of your team a few minutes ago? |
Nalhe Saldana
Forsaken Immortals
Top Men.
87
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Posted - 2013.08.01 09:35:00 -
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With the current balance it doesn't make sense but they are going to have a vehicle balance pass and the pilot suit is a good addition for the future. |
Nguruthos IX
Hellstorm Inc
League of Infamy
946
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Posted - 2013.08.01 09:38:00 -
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Starshine Etherium wrote:it only makes sense to have an AV suit to counter. Why the hell should a madrugar get a buff?
Because they'll probably just make it a gimp suit that's expensive and takes millions more SP (on top of the huge SP sink that vehicles already are)
Then they'll just balance vehicles around pilots needing a pilot suit as baseline. So it's not a buff, but an SP sink/requirement.
Which also will mean we can't fall back to another drop suit when we're shot down or before we call something in. Since we know pilot suits will be pretty terrible on the ground by design.
I will be seriously surprised if pilot suits are more a boon than a bane. However it would be nice if they allowed more customization in vehicle setups. I guess
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Paladin Sas
Pro Hic Immortalis
League of Infamy
151
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Posted - 2013.08.01 09:40:00 -
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Nguruthos IX wrote:Starshine Etherium wrote:it only makes sense to have an AV suit to counter. Why the hell should a madrugar get a buff? Because they'll probably just make it a gimp suit that's expensive and takes millions more SP (on top of the huge SP sink that vehicles already are) Then they'll just balance vehicles around pilots needing a pilot suit as baseline. So it's not a buff, but an SP sink/requirement. Which also will mean we can't fall back to another drop suit when we're shot down or before we call something in. Since we know pilot suits will be pretty terrible on the ground by design. I will be seriously surprised if pilot suits are more a boon than a bane. However it would be nice if they allowed more customization in vehicle setups. I guess
all a pilot suit really needs is what a baseline scout has, hell, even lacking a light weapon slot, you can slap on a proto SMG and still be devestating on the ground |
Starshine Etherium
Greywolf Syndicate
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Posted - 2013.08.01 09:40:00 -
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Paladin Sas wrote:Starshine Etherium wrote:it only makes sense to have an AV suit to counter. Why the hell should a madrugar get a buff? i assume someone with a madrugar beat the crap out of your team a few minutes ago?
I just want something I can add to my repetoire against the madrugars I stomp on. |
RAGING GIGGLES
Hostile Acquisition Inc
The Superpowers
8
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Posted - 2013.08.01 09:43:00 -
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there's only standard tanks out atm, while there is proto AV. Also, AV nades, forge guns, swarmlaunchers, and even MD get a damage bonus vs. armor, and since the madrugar is armor oriented....yeah... |
Cosgar
ParagonX
3672
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Posted - 2013.08.01 09:44:00 -
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Starshine Etherium wrote:Paladin Sas wrote:Starshine Etherium wrote:it only makes sense to have an AV suit to counter. Why the hell should a madrugar get a buff? i assume someone with a madrugar beat the crap out of your team a few minutes ago? I just want something I can add to my repetoire against the madrugars I stomp on.
After killing gimped standard tanks with your prototype AV, do you celebrate by taking candy from babies and pushing old ladies down stairs? |
Paladin Sas
Pro Hic Immortalis
League of Infamy
151
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Posted - 2013.08.01 09:46:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:Starshine Etherium wrote:Paladin Sas wrote:Starshine Etherium wrote:it only makes sense to have an AV suit to counter. Why the hell should a madrugar get a buff? i assume someone with a madrugar beat the crap out of your team a few minutes ago? I just want something I can add to my repetoire against the madrugars I stomp on. After killing gimped standard tanks with your prototype AV, do you celebrate by taking candy from babies and pushing old ladies down stairs?
... are you spying on me? |
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Nguruthos IX
Hellstorm Inc
League of Infamy
950
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Posted - 2013.08.01 09:46:00 -
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Paladin Sas wrote:Nguruthos IX wrote:Starshine Etherium wrote:it only makes sense to have an AV suit to counter. Why the hell should a madrugar get a buff? Because they'll probably just make it a gimp suit that's expensive and takes millions more SP (on top of the huge SP sink that vehicles already are) Then they'll just balance vehicles around pilots needing a pilot suit as baseline. So it's not a buff, but an SP sink/requirement. Which also will mean we can't fall back to another drop suit when we're shot down or before we call something in. Since we know pilot suits will be pretty terrible on the ground by design. I will be seriously surprised if pilot suits are more a boon than a bane. However it would be nice if they allowed more customization in vehicle setups. I guess all a pilot suit really needs is what a baseline scout has, hell, even lacking a light weapon slot, you can slap on a proto SMG and still be devestating on the ground
perhaps. Assuming things like PG/CPU and that their modules work the same. Who knows. But CCP said their plan with pilot suits was to make them garbage on the ground and better in vehicles. Which makes sense. That's the goal at least |
CoD isAIDS
Tronhadar Free Guard
Minmatar Republic
104
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Posted - 2013.08.01 09:46:00 -
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Starshine Etherium wrote:it only makes sense to have an AV suit to counter. Why the hell should a madrugar get a buff?
Lol
There's PRO AV. If you can't destroy a tank with that, you're doing it wrong. |
Rusty Shallows
Black Jackals
203
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Posted - 2013.08.01 09:47:00 -
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Starshine Etherium wrote:it only makes sense to have an AV suit to counter. Why the hell should a madrugar get a buff?
Please don't go there SE. CCP will get around to heavy suits in the future.
Allot of pilots are in need of some boosting anyways. Let's just see how this plays out. |
Paladin Sas
Pro Hic Immortalis
League of Infamy
152
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Posted - 2013.08.01 09:48:00 -
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Nguruthos IX wrote:
perhaps. Assuming things like PG/CPU and that their modules work the same. Who knows. But CCP said their plan with pilot suits was to make them garbage on the ground and better in vehicles. Which makes sense. That's the goal at least
soooo, time to get that melee skill up? |
CoD isAIDS
Tronhadar Free Guard
Minmatar Republic
104
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Posted - 2013.08.01 09:49:00 -
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Paladin Sas wrote:Nguruthos IX wrote:
perhaps. Assuming things like PG/CPU and that their modules work the same. Who knows. But CCP said their plan with pilot suits was to make them garbage on the ground and better in vehicles. Which makes sense. That's the goal at least
soooo, time to get that melee skill up?
Not everybody wants to be a proto stomping scrub. |
Nguruthos IX
Hellstorm Inc
League of Infamy
950
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Posted - 2013.08.01 09:52:00 -
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Paladin Sas wrote:Nguruthos IX wrote:
perhaps. Assuming things like PG/CPU and that their modules work the same. Who knows. But CCP said their plan with pilot suits was to make them garbage on the ground and better in vehicles. Which makes sense. That's the goal at least
soooo, time to get that melee skill up?
lol.
If the suit actually offered some net benefit to vehicles I'd be happy with no gun.
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Paladin Sas
Pro Hic Immortalis
League of Infamy
152
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Posted - 2013.08.01 09:53:00 -
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CoD isAIDS wrote:Paladin Sas wrote:Nguruthos IX wrote:
perhaps. Assuming things like PG/CPU and that their modules work the same. Who knows. But CCP said their plan with pilot suits was to make them garbage on the ground and better in vehicles. Which makes sense. That's the goal at least
soooo, time to get that melee skill up? Not everybody wants to be a proto stomping scrub.
I'd liek to take the opportunity to point out that my Proto SMG is on a basic scout suit cuz im a boss like that. its also on my swarm fit because theres no reason i shouldnt be able to smash infantry in between making tankers cry |
pegasis prime
BIG BAD W0LVES
Eternal Syndicate
608
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Posted - 2013.08.01 09:57:00 -
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Starshine Etherium wrote:it only makes sense to have an AV suit to counter. Why the hell should a madrugar get a buff?
If you cant solo a STD hav with PROTO av equipment your doing it wrong and blatently suck. We need our pikot suits and proti havs to stand uo against proto av weponary. |
Dovallis Martan JenusKoll
Osmon Surveillance
Caldari State
12
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Posted - 2013.08.01 10:05:00 -
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Paladin Sas wrote:CoD isAIDS wrote:Paladin Sas wrote:Nguruthos IX wrote:
perhaps. Assuming things like PG/CPU and that their modules work the same. Who knows. But CCP said their plan with pilot suits was to make them garbage on the ground and better in vehicles. Which makes sense. That's the goal at least
soooo, time to get that melee skill up? Not everybody wants to be a proto stomping scrub. I'd liek to take the opportunity to point out that my Proto SMG is on a basic scout suit cuz im a boss like that. its also on my swarm fit because theres no reason i shouldnt be able to smash infantry in between making tankers cry
You need a proto to do that?... My militia scrambler pistol says otherwise.
Also.. Most of the tanks you're celebrating over cost only about 150,000 ISK each. |
Paladin Sas
Pro Hic Immortalis
League of Infamy
153
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Posted - 2013.08.01 10:11:00 -
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you can get enforcer tanks for only 150k isk? TANKERS EVERYWHERE REJOICE!!! TANKS ARE CHEAP AGAIN!!! |
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Kekklian Noobatronic
Goonfeet
Top Men.
269
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Posted - 2013.08.01 10:32:00 -
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ChromeBreaker wrote:Starshine Etherium wrote:it only makes sense to have an AV suit to counter. Why the hell should a madrugar get a buff? Full vehicle ballance pass for 1.4 / 1.5... including AV Chill out
AV Balancing means nerfing AV into oblivion. Mark my words - they will make tanks OP again, and fail to allow AV to keep pace. They're grasping for numbers, and what better way to get people than big tanks that never die.. |
Nguruthos IX
Hellstorm Inc
League of Infamy
956
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Posted - 2013.08.01 10:34:00 -
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Kekklian Noobatronic wrote:ChromeBreaker wrote:Starshine Etherium wrote:it only makes sense to have an AV suit to counter. Why the hell should a madrugar get a buff? Full vehicle ballance pass for 1.4 / 1.5... including AV Chill out AV Balancing means nerfing AV into oblivion. Mark my words - they will make tanks OP again, and fail to allow AV to keep pace. They're grasping for numbers, and what better way to get people than big tanks that never die..
Do you troll every thread?
Obviously the standard before had been make AV OP because 90% of players are infantry and would QQ too hard if they couldn't solo a proto tank with their AR. |
Billi Gene
The Southern Legion
206
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Posted - 2013.08.01 11:57:00 -
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we've had the AV nerf (ironically it was at the same time we had proto tanks iirc), now we are having the reverse swing-this time no proto tank and with proto AV....does anyone suspect there might be data collation going on somewhere? |
Racro 01 Arifistan
The Surrogates Of War
15
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Posted - 2013.08.01 12:01:00 -
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Starshine Etherium wrote:it only makes sense to have an AV suit to counter. Why the hell should a madrugar get a buff?
cause a majority of av deals explosive damage and ironically armour = weak vs explosive. and tanks cant really do thier job well unless you REALLY dive and spec into them. ***** me when a solo wykomi swarmer can kill a well fit madrugar in 3 volleys. by himself from the redline or a spire/high ass building where the tank cant get cover due to the hieght he has. and 30 secs for a rep cooldown is a pain. |
Mobius Wyvern
BetaMax.
2791
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Posted - 2013.08.01 12:02:00 -
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Starshine Etherium wrote:it only makes sense to have an AV suit to counter. Why the hell should a madrugar get a buff?
Don't worry: that annoying armor repairer is getting "fixed".
I mean, I'm hoping that was scrapped in favor of the balance pass for 1.5, or using any vehicle at all for any reason is just going to be suicide.
The stupid hit marker doesn't even display where you were hit from correctly so you can evade the right way. |
Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star.
EoN.
770
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Posted - 2013.08.01 12:08:00 -
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Starshine Etherium wrote:it only makes sense to have an AV suit to counter. Why the hell should a madrugar get a buff?
You already have a suit
Its a heavy/medium suit or even light if you run that way, generally stacked with damage mods and carrys lolswarms for no aiming
If you cant kill a tank now then you are just bad |
Mobius Wyvern
BetaMax.
2791
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Posted - 2013.08.01 12:21:00 -
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Kekklian Noobatronic wrote:ChromeBreaker wrote:Starshine Etherium wrote:it only makes sense to have an AV suit to counter. Why the hell should a madrugar get a buff? Full vehicle ballance pass for 1.4 / 1.5... including AV Chill out AV Balancing means nerfing AV into oblivion. Mark my words - they will make tanks OP again, and fail to allow AV to keep pace. They're grasping for numbers, and what better way to get people than big tanks that never die..
Keep in mind that if someone can fit a Gunnlogi to survive against 2-3 AV players for maybe 90 seconds at most, that will be considered OP.
A vehicle either dies to one player, or it has to be nerfed until it can do so. |
True Adamance
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
959
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Posted - 2013.08.01 12:22:00 -
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Starshine Etherium wrote:it only makes sense to have an AV suit to counter. Why the hell should a madrugar get a buff?
Dude you don't even know how sweet us AVers have it do you?
Your taking your huge advantage for granted. |
Jason Pearson
Seraphim Auxiliaries
2319
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Posted - 2013.08.01 12:36:00 -
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Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote:Paladin Sas wrote:CoD isAIDS wrote:Paladin Sas wrote:Nguruthos IX wrote:
perhaps. Assuming things like PG/CPU and that their modules work the same. Who knows. But CCP said their plan with pilot suits was to make them garbage on the ground and better in vehicles. Which makes sense. That's the goal at least
soooo, time to get that melee skill up? Not everybody wants to be a proto stomping scrub. I'd liek to take the opportunity to point out that my Proto SMG is on a basic scout suit cuz im a boss like that. its also on my swarm fit because theres no reason i shouldnt be able to smash infantry in between making tankers cry You need a proto to do that?... My militia scrambler pistol says otherwise. Also.. Most of the tanks you're celebrating over cost only about 150,000 ISK each.
I wish, my Madrugars cost about 1.3 mil, My Gunnlogi costs 1.4mil.
Then again, I have a fully fit BPO Gunnlogi, 265k :D |
Khal V'Rani
Nephilim Initiative
210
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Posted - 2013.08.01 13:26:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:Kekklian Noobatronic wrote:ChromeBreaker wrote:Starshine Etherium wrote:it only makes sense to have an AV suit to counter. Why the hell should a madrugar get a buff? Full vehicle ballance pass for 1.4 / 1.5... including AV Chill out AV Balancing means nerfing AV into oblivion. Mark my words - they will make tanks OP again, and fail to allow AV to keep pace. They're grasping for numbers, and what better way to get people than big tanks that never die.. Keep in mind that if someone can fit a Gunnlogi to survive against 2-3 AV players for maybe 90 seconds at most, that will be considered OP. A vehicle either dies to one player, or it has to be nerfed until it can do so.
I'm spec'ing lolswarms & AV now specifically because of the llav murder taxi b.s. however,
a tank is a tank. It has a whole configuration of play style named after it for a reason.
When proto tanks come out, whether specialty tanks or not, 1 of me should not be able
take out 1 of them. Even if I'm running full proto swarms, damage mods, grenades and
RE/proxies unless that tanker sucks. As AV I want a tank to be feared thereby causing
greater need for AV specialists. And more fun for me and hopefully you too...
At the moment though I generally feel bad for most of the tankers. They go boom too easy
most the time. You tankers have my support. I'm still gunna pop you when I get the chance
but know it's out of love. |
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