hand-to-hand combat only does something if you actually fit a melee mod. Meaning the skills is entirely worthless.

I agree that hand-to-hand combat needs to be fixed but I don't think we should have all these actions that you suggested probably because of all the bugs and stuff that will come with it. Remember, we cant have melee be over powered like a one shot one kill type thing because that would be taking even more from nova knives. I do like the dazing idea though it makes sense.

minja is supposed to be 'unmatched in hand to hand combat' but has a melee damage output of 100.......

I thought it was 80?

Weird that scouts have less melee damage than other grames. Which is why I now use a minmatar assault for CQC.

100 at proto level due to skill,still not good enough though

Right now, we have a skill called "hand-to-hand combat". Since when was taking turns pistol-whipping each other hand-to-hand combat?
I've been trying to go as a CQC-based minmatar suit, and I'm finding melee useless most of the time- so the system needs to be redone.

First off- improve myofibril stimulants (probably misspelled it) for the things I'm about to suggest. All that needs to be changed is to also reduce the stamina consumed with melee strikes.

Next- speed up the melee "RoF". I know you aren't shooting, but after we connect the first hit, we should be able to quickly throw a few more punches in; perhaps a punch can even daze who we hit (imagine punching someone in the face to give you the opportunity to reload or charge your knives)

This is where it might get a little ridiculous, but would be cool to see anyhow.

• Hitting melee at the end of a sprint to tackle your target
• Holding down melee while in front of someone to grab their gun/arm before throwing, punching, shooting, or stabbing them
• Holding down melee while behind someone to throw them on the ground, or just cling to their back while holding your sidearm if they're heavier than you (imagine a scout jumping on a heavies back, then unloading a scrambler pistol into their skull)

What does everyone think?

I don't know why they did this, just use the nova knives

Having those melee animations would be cool. But I think tackling is a little much.

Not sure if you're just adding onto my point, or going against it, but this would make the melee mod worth using.

ok we need takedown animations for assassinations (rear melee). just for the fun factor.

Although if these goes in nova knifers will complain even more than they already do.

I'm not thinking insta-kill. I'm thinking take them down, THEN kill them however you want. Nova knifers could take advantage of that too.
I consider myself primarily a nova knifer (the majority of my SP is in it), although I haven't done it since 1.2 broke them.

I come from a game where melee is the most ridicolously overpowered abused crap of all times, so I really enjoy the fact people actually shoot at me even when I'm very close to them...

...but I'm not really against a SLIGHT and intelligent melee buff... I think.

While I would love to be able to stick my scrambler pistol in someone's neck and insta-kill them, I agree that it would be a bad idea overall.

However, I would absolutely love to have some form of stealth attack that had the potential to be fatal though not insta-kill (think Joel choking someone from behind in TLoU or Lara choking bad guys with the bow in Tomb Raider). Something where if you choose to use it, you can potentially kill your victim but are left vulnerable to others.

There should be a 1 hit kill from the back.

Hit detection is broken with knives

And hit detection is perfect for melee, it's just that there is no point in doing 100 damage to sombody with roughly 500-600 eHP. Unless they want my scout to start dumping what few shields I have to deal extra melee damage.

I come from a game where melee is the most ridicolously overpowered abused crap of all times, so I really enjoy the fact people actually shoot at me even when I'm very close to them...

...but I'm not really against a SLIGHT and intelligent melee buff... I think.

LOL moment: Place a RE behind someone, throw 'em down onto it and detonate.

People would cry op, mostly assault rifle users.