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Cyrius Li-Moody
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2013.07.31 12:35:00 -
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Cosgar be trollin' |
Mobius Wyvern
BetaMax.
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Posted - 2013.07.31 12:36:00 -
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Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:Cosgar be trollin'
See.
All you have to do is mention that ARs aren't perfectly balanced and people start calling you a troll.
inb4 you must be scrub hater AR is fine |
Cyrius Li-Moody
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
510
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Posted - 2013.07.31 12:38:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:Cosgar be trollin' See. All you have to do is mention that ARs aren't perfectly balanced and people start calling you a troll. inb4 you must be scrub hater AR is fine
Wuh? I'm a masshole....
and I read the thread this is playing off of.... |
Cat Merc
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Posted - 2013.07.31 12:38:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:All I hear AR players talking about is that their weapon requires aim and skill. If your aim is so good, why not cut the clip size down to 45? Crutch much? #13 Posted: 2013.07.31 10:02 | Rynoceros wrote:48 in the Militia, and it really doesn't make a difference.
Reloads are so fast on ARs, that a 30 shot clip probably wouldn't bother me. I was being generous with 45, but 30 seems about right too with AR users 1337 gun game skills. Since your aim is so good, you can do it with aim assist for an extra challenge. 
/hitdetection
I can aim straight at a target, unload 30 bullets, and maybe one will hit. |
Mobius Wyvern
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Posted - 2013.07.31 12:39:00 -
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Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:Mobius Wyvern wrote:Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:Cosgar be trollin' See. All you have to do is mention that ARs aren't perfectly balanced and people start calling you a troll. inb4 you must be scrub hater AR is fine Wuh? I'm a masshole.... and I read the thread this is playing off of....
>Preaches about knee-jerk reactions
>Makes one
Yeah, guess I ate it on that post. |
Cyrius Li-Moody
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
512
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Posted - 2013.07.31 12:40:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:Mobius Wyvern wrote:Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:Cosgar be trollin' See. All you have to do is mention that ARs aren't perfectly balanced and people start calling you a troll. inb4 you must be scrub hater AR is fine Wuh? I'm a masshole.... and I read the thread this is playing off of.... >Preaches about knee-jerk reactions >Makes one Yeah, guess I ate it on that post.
It's okay I still love you  |
Cat Merc
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Posted - 2013.07.31 12:40:00 -
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Leovarian L Lavitz wrote:i feel this would balance it with the scramblers; lower clip but significant accurate damage, or over heat and more ammo.
Assault scrambler rifle is exactly the same as the AR.
Only larger clip, better sight and MORE hip fire accuracy.
The kick people speak of?
AR has it too, they just don't feel it, do a side by side and you will see, the only reason you feel it on the ASCR is because it has a better sight.
In fact, in the end the ASCR kicks less. |
Cat Merc
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Posted - 2013.07.31 12:43:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Rynoceros wrote:48 in the Militia, and it really doesn't make a difference.
Reloads are so fast on ARs, that a 30 shot clip probably wouldn't bother me. Well if AR did more damage per shot then yeah sure take the clip down to 3o or so but the gun would have to feel a lot more power than it does now..... but then that's why I like and use the Breach AR on my other toons. Breach AR is and will be (the Rail Rifle) Bolter of New Eden.
Two facts:
Breach AR has 100 less DPS than normal AR.
Why?
Because it was once OP and it has never recovered.
Second:
The Caldari Rail Rifle will be a long range gun, which is the opposite of the Breach Rifle. |
Mobius Wyvern
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Posted - 2013.07.31 12:49:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:True Adamance wrote:Rynoceros wrote:48 in the Militia, and it really doesn't make a difference.
Reloads are so fast on ARs, that a 30 shot clip probably wouldn't bother me. Well if AR did more damage per shot then yeah sure take the clip down to 3o or so but the gun would have to feel a lot more power than it does now..... but then that's why I like and use the Breach AR on my other toons. Breach AR is and will be (the Rail Rifle) Bolter of New Eden. Two facts: Breach AR has 100 less DPS than normal AR. Why? Because it was once OP and it has never recovered. Second: The Caldari Rail Rifle will be a long range gun, which is the opposite of the Breach Rifle.
The Rail Rifle looks like it'll have the lowest damage of the ARs, but the best application of damage at range.
The Breach AR becomes useless outside of 30 meters. |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2013.07.31 13:01:00 -
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ARs need overheat or jam, not a smaller clip. |
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trollsroyce
Ametat Security
Amarr Empire
638
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Posted - 2013.07.31 13:08:00 -
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Supporting this thought, satire or not.
AR could be diffrerentiated further from HMG by reducing the clip. This way a spray and pray HMG would have more of a place, allowing constant pushing much easier than AR.
ScR would be more in line with AR; heat management vs. reload management. |
Mobius Wyvern
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Posted - 2013.07.31 13:08:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:ARs need overheat or jam, not a smaller clip.
Honestly, what I really think they need is a faster increase on dispersion. The only issue with the magazine size they have right now is that even without maxed AR skills, you can still get most of the way through your magazine before your accuracy starts to degrade.
If they were to adjust the dispersion rate so that the weapon becomes inaccurate faster, and thus emphasizes the use of long bursts to maintain accuracy, the magazine size would be no issue at all. |
Cat Merc
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Posted - 2013.07.31 13:11:00 -
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trollsroyce wrote:Supporting this thought, satire or not.
AR could be diffrerentiated further from HMG by reducing the clip. This way a spray and pray HMG would have more of a place, allowing constant pushing much easier than AR.
ScR would be more in line with AR; heat management vs. reload management.
HMG is fine, it's a powerful beast, IF YOU USE COVER. |
calisk galern
BurgezzE.T.F
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Posted - 2013.07.31 13:16:00 -
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Panther Alpha wrote:Because it takes 60+ bullets to kill a heavy ? or a female Caldari ... what is wrong with the Female Caldari's ? they are harder to kill than a heavy... 
well based on the flaylock crutch nerf, I believe guns aren't supposed to kill people without a reload, ar's should require you to reload against a heavy. |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2013.07.31 13:22:00 -
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calisk galern wrote:Panther Alpha wrote:Because it takes 60+ bullets to kill a heavy ? or a female Caldari ... what is wrong with the Female Caldari's ? they are harder to kill than a heavy... well based on the flaylock crutch nerf, I believe guns aren't supposed to kill people without a reload, ar's should require you to reload against a heavy.
You know the flaylock deserved its nerf when most people happily compare it to primary light weapons |
Aero Yassavi
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
894
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Posted - 2013.07.31 13:55:00 -
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I love how so many people believe aiming in a video game requires some huge amount of skill, especially at mid range with a full auto weapon.
Don't get me wrong, there are skill-related factors even in Dust that ultimately determine who survives and who respawns, but aiming is hardly a contributor. Everybody (well, pretty much everybody) can aim. |
M McManus
Sinq Laison Gendarmes
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.07.31 16:06:00 -
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40max  |
Buster Friently
Rosen Association
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Posted - 2013.07.31 16:27:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:All I hear AR players talking about is that their weapon requires aim and skill. If your aim is so good, why not cut the clip size down to 45? Crutch much? #13 Posted: 2013.07.31 10:02 | Rynoceros wrote:48 in the Militia, and it really doesn't make a difference.
Reloads are so fast on ARs, that a 30 shot clip probably wouldn't bother me. I was being generous with 45, but 30 seems about right too with AR users 1337 gun game skills. Since your aim is so good, you can do it with aim assist for an extra challenge.
The overall ammo carried should be reduced too, not just the magazine size. |
VonSpliff
spliff's channel
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Posted - 2013.07.31 16:54:00 -
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As an Ar user overheat on jam would be cool, if it works right. I do use full auto, as a posed to the Tactical. Spray and pray tactic can work but the down side is horrible. If you hold the trigger too long it hop and tacks like poop. (Minus the gek and any bop ar, for some reason they have no bounce ) so an overheat would be a nice tool to teach how to use an ar.
Now the tact variants are a whole different monsters. They are nasty for the KbM users. But with SKILL an AR can and will give you a fighting chance.
Oh yeah F you No-Talent LAV drivers. |
Oso Peresoso
RisingSuns
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Posted - 2013.07.31 16:58:00 -
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With HP pools the way they are, the 12 round difference between militia and standard AR was immediately noticeable for me on day 1.
DUST Fiend wrote:ARs need overheat or jam, not a smaller clip.
**** no, increase their dispersion maybe, but a random jam chance is probably the worst thing you could do. Overheat might make sense because they are blasters, but then I'd just use a scrambler rifle. |
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Rynoceros
Rise Of Old Dudes
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Posted - 2013.07.31 16:59:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:Cosgar wrote:All I hear AR players talking about is that their weapon requires aim and skill. If your aim is so good, why not cut the clip size down to 45? Crutch much? #13 Posted: 2013.07.31 10:02 | Rynoceros wrote:48 in the Militia, and it really doesn't make a difference.
Reloads are so fast on ARs, that a 30 shot clip probably wouldn't bother me. I was being generous with 45, but 30 seems about right too with AR users 1337 gun game skills. Since your aim is so good, you can do it with aim assist for an extra challenge. /hitdetection I can aim straight at a target, unload 30 bullets, and maybe one will hit.
I'm not for or against the clip nerf we're discussing, but this is the most compelling argument posted. |
King Kobrah
SyNergy Gaming
EoN.
917
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Posted - 2013.07.31 17:00:00 -
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Yes. .especially when half of those 60 won't register even when on target due to garbage hit detection |
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Storm Wind Strikeforce
Caldari State
200
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Posted - 2013.07.31 17:01:00 -
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Panther Alpha wrote:Because it takes 60+ bullets to kill a heavy ? or a female Caldari ... what is wrong with the Female Caldari's ? they are harder to kill than a heavy...
female caldari are really like caldari scouts |
trollsroyce
Ametat Security
Amarr Empire
640
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Posted - 2013.07.31 17:23:00 -
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King Kobrah wrote:Yes. .especially when half of those 60 won't register even when on target due to garbage hit detection
This is the key underlying issue in all current balance problems. You cannot balance a shooter's guns if the game mechanics are flawed; when the mechanics change every previous effort to balance is lost. When AR's start hitting twice as much with improved core aiming, weapons need a complete overhaul again. |
Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
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Posted - 2013.07.31 17:35:00 -
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Support.
AR users complain about how much damage other weapons can deal, but ARs can get way more kills-per-clip than most other weapons.
One exception is the scrambler rifle (60 shots and semi auto?), but I would count the cooldown as a reload. |
Aquinarius Zoltanus
0uter.Heaven
EoN.
217
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Posted - 2013.07.31 18:20:00 -
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Rusty Shallows wrote:
As Shayz said, this is push-back. There's a perception that people in the AR crowd are trying to nerf all other weapons down to the current Laser Rifle.
To be honest I don't think Cosgar is being serious. More like counter-trolling.
Finally someone who understands what this post is. This is not a serious suggestion from Cosgar, he's just trying to point out how ridiculous it is that some AR users are trying to say that 6 shots is too much for the Mass Driver. |
Mobius Wyvern
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Posted - 2013.08.01 01:07:00 -
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Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:Mobius Wyvern wrote:Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:Mobius Wyvern wrote:Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:Cosgar be trollin' See. All you have to do is mention that ARs aren't perfectly balanced and people start calling you a troll. inb4 you must be scrub hater AR is fine Wuh? I'm a masshole.... and I read the thread this is playing off of.... >Preaches about knee-jerk reactions >Makes one Yeah, guess I ate it on that post. It's okay I still love you
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stlcarlos989
SVER True Blood
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Posted - 2013.08.01 02:01:00 -
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Ok then give MD 4 shots, HMG 250, shotgun 6, and a maximum of 1 grenade carried. |
ReGnYuM
TeamPlayers
EoN.
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Posted - 2013.08.01 02:23:00 -
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Last time I checked
The AR was not a noob tube
Then again, I wish I could just aim at the ground with my AR |
ReGnYuM
TeamPlayers
EoN.
631
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Posted - 2013.08.01 02:25:00 -
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Better yet!
You can reduce my Clip size just give my AR splash damage LOLOLOLOL  |
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