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JETSTORM1090
Against All Oddz
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Posted - 2013.07.31 06:26:00 -
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In the lastest dev blog I seen that they are reintroducing aim assist...then they continue to say "don't sneer its part of console gaming", well I am sick of people using the crutch that is auto-aim in competitive FPS, whatever skill it takes to play dust will be removed with auto-aim, I just feel it makes games too easy and makes it less fun when a person whos new to games picks up a controller and can perform well because of auto-aim, please don't add it back... |
Kasote Denzara
A Vulture
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Posted - 2013.07.31 06:29:00 -
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Here, here.
I hail from the times of "balls to the wall, seek out and crush all in a hellish firefight" UT and Quake, not this pansy "balls in the dirt" hide and seek crap these days.
Oh. Wait.
People were skilled back then. I forgot that kids these days are too goddamn spoiled to be anything but a bottom feeder that needs a crutch to play. This is New Eden, we don't give crutches. We take them away and kick you while you're down. |
Cyrius Li-Moody
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
504
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Posted - 2013.07.31 06:30:00 -
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JETSTORM1090 wrote:In the lastest dev blog I seen that they are reintroducing aim assist...then they continue to say "don't sneer its part of console gaming", well I am sick of people using the crutch that is auto-aim in competitive FPS, whatever skill it takes to play dust will be removed with auto-aim, I just feel it makes games too easy and makes it less fun when a person whos new to games picks up a controller and can perform well because of auto-aim, please don't add it back...
hate to tell you but auto-aim is already in and has been in.
it's just not working all too well. |
Bleeding Knight
Sardaukar Merc Guild
General Tso's Alliance
9
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Posted - 2013.07.31 06:31:00 -
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Remove aim assist when they remove kb+m.m. |
DeeJay One
BetaMax.
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Posted - 2013.07.31 06:31:00 -
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Kasote Denzara wrote:Here, here.
I hail from the times of "balls to the wall, seek out and crush all in a hellish firefight" UT and Quake, not this pansy "balls in the dirt" hide and seek crap these days.
Oh. Wait.
People were skilled back then. I forgot that kids these days are too goddamn spoiled to be anything but a bottom feeder that needs a crutch to play. This is New Eden, we don't give crutches. We take them away and kick you while you're down.
Remove K&M support then we can talk about removing the aim assist option for the DS3.
BP, MSPANC |
Robocop Junior
The Surrogates Of War
84
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Posted - 2013.07.31 06:36:00 -
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For real people are lazy as it is wtf do you need a car that parks itself for gosh the machines are going to take over soon it is inevitable. I miss watching porno on my VCR I dunno why. |
Anita Hardone
Fraternity of St. Venefice
Amarr Empire
196
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Posted - 2013.07.31 06:36:00 -
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.... these threads are funny. They usually go like this.
"Hay lets brag about my superiority because i dont use Aim Assist... and then complain about someone killing me because they supposedly use aim assist"
"Lets compare a really old crappy game that had a total of 5 feature mechanics, to a new game with alot more and complain about how its easy mode (even though i probably go negative every match)" |
Kasote Denzara
A Vulture
52
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Posted - 2013.07.31 06:37:00 -
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DeeJay One wrote:Remove K&M support then we can talk about removing the aim assist option for the DS3.
BP, MSPANC
I don't use keyboard and mouse on a console, man, even if it's recommended (though I'm not saying it is). In my opinion, it's not difficult to gently tilt a stick, though I suppose that falls under the "hand to eye coordination" thing, which years after years of both console and computer FPS has helped me hone. |
Drud Green
Royal Uhlans
Amarr Empire
131
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Posted - 2013.07.31 06:46:00 -
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Since when was dust a competitive fps?
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Ludvig Enraga
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
300
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Posted - 2013.07.31 06:50:00 -
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It's all marketing man. I think CCP thinks that the core console player expects an auto aim crutch. |
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Ludvig Enraga
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
300
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Posted - 2013.07.31 06:51:00 -
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Drud Green wrote:Since when was dust a competitive fps?
at this pace it won't be. |
JETSTORM1090
Against All Oddz
144
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Posted - 2013.07.31 06:54:00 -
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Anita Hardone wrote:.... these threads are funny. They usually go like this.
"Hay lets brag about my superiority because i dont use Aim Assist... and then complain about someone killing me because they supposedly use aim assist"
"Lets compare a really old crappy game that had a total of 5 feature mechanics, to a new game with alot more and complain about how its easy mode (even though i probably go negative every match)"
These posts are funny,
So you are saying you do use auto aim and go negative every match without it right?...
By the way why did you even post in the thread? |
Malkai Inos
Opus Arcana
Covert Intervention
941
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Posted - 2013.07.31 06:58:00 -
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Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:JETSTORM1090 wrote:In the lastest dev blog I seen that they are reintroducing aim assist...then they continue to say "don't sneer its part of console gaming", well I am sick of people using the crutch that is auto-aim in competitive FPS, whatever skill it takes to play dust will be removed with auto-aim, I just feel it makes games too easy and makes it less fun when a person whos new to games picks up a controller and can perform well because of auto-aim, please don't add it back... hate to tell you but auto-aim is already in and has been in. it's just not working all too well. The dev blog in question explicitly states that they turned it off.
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JETSTORM1090
Against All Oddz
144
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Posted - 2013.07.31 07:05:00 -
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Bleeding Knight wrote:Remove aim assist when they remove kb+m.m.
Im pretty sure they won't be removing keyboard and mouse, prolly because they would lose a lot of players. Im not the biggest fan of people using a keyboard and mouse but it doesn't bother me too much. |
BARDAS
DUST University
Ivy League
254
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Posted - 2013.07.31 07:09:00 -
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Aim assist is going to be another huge kick to the nuts for Scouts... like we need another. I feel like Oliver the orphan. Please sir can I have some more? |
Robocop Junior
The Surrogates Of War
85
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Posted - 2013.07.31 07:13:00 -
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I wish I could play this with my NES Power Glove. |
Oso Peresoso
RisingSuns
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Posted - 2013.07.31 07:15:00 -
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has ANY console FPS not used some level of aim assist? controllers are **** for aiming anyway without it. ANY CQC battle you get into in dust is evidence of that. |
Robocop Junior
The Surrogates Of War
85
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Posted - 2013.07.31 07:17:00 -
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BARDAS wrote:Aim assist is going to be another huge kick to the nuts for Scouts... like we need another. I feel like Oliver the orphan. Please sir can I have some more?
How will it assist them when you are stabbing them in the back lol. How does nova knifing feel anyway now? Any different? Only weapon I haven't really tried yet. |
Phantom Vaxer
The Generals
EoN.
69
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Posted - 2013.07.31 07:55:00 -
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Hope at least they don't make aim assist mandatory. I aim fine with controllers with no aim assist. Aim assist sometimes just straight up ruins how I aim anyways. |
Anita Hardone
Fraternity of St. Venefice
Amarr Empire
197
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Posted - 2013.07.31 07:59:00 -
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JETSTORM1090 wrote:Anita Hardone wrote:.... these threads are funny. They usually go like this.
"Hay lets brag about my superiority because i dont use Aim Assist... and then complain about someone killing me because they supposedly use aim assist"
"Lets compare a really old crappy game that had a total of 5 feature mechanics, to a new game with alot more and complain about how its easy mode (even though i probably go negative every match)" These posts are funny, So you are saying you do use auto aim and go negative every match without it right?... By the way why did you even post in the thread?
Clearly you quoted a post that i made in this thread. And ya, its turned on by default. It doesn't matter either.
K, Kiddo? |
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Robert JD Niewiadomski
NULLIMPEX INC
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Posted - 2013.07.31 08:09:00 -
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Disclaimer: I have AS turned on. I intend to keep it this way... And i admire players who do otherwise  You kick ass
What we have now:
1) Aim assist can be turned off from SYSTEM OPTIONS in NeoCom.
2) It just turns your reticle red when your target is in line of fire.
What we'll have after 1.4 (or 1.5)
1) Aim assist can be turned off from SYSTEM OPTIONS in NeoCom.
2) It will SNAP your reticle to your target when it's close to the line of fire.
3) It will turn you a little when you strife to maintain the snap
That's what i understood from devblog.
My proposition is to reward players who turn AS off with higher WP gain, increased base ammo capacity for weapons affected by AS, with higher SP gain and ISK payouts. They deserve it... |
Nocturnal Soul
Immortal Retribution
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Posted - 2013.07.31 08:10:00 -
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hmm i only agree with the higher wp |
Nocturnal Soul
Immortal Retribution
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Posted - 2013.07.31 08:11:00 -
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and sp |
Nocturnal Soul
Immortal Retribution
307
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Posted - 2013.07.31 08:12:00 -
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oh and the isk |
Anita Hardone
Fraternity of St. Venefice
Amarr Empire
197
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Posted - 2013.07.31 08:19:00 -
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And now we are at the point in the thread where people think they deserve more.
"lel" |
Jastad
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
85
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Posted - 2013.07.31 08:23:00 -
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MMM i think that there a misunderstand.
Auto aim will not aim for you, Auto aim in CONTROLLER BASED-FPS means FRICTION and Magnetism.
When your cross point an enemy while is moving from far friction come in help, preventing you to pass after the target and decreasing your turn speed so you can match the target speed and hit him ( If it's a headshot or not depend to you)
When in CQC magnetism come in help, helping your aim to lock on the target in fast moved battle.
Thats why they are difficult to tune, cause magnetism must be short for not be an AIMBOT but not too short for be useless
And thats the same for friction
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Robert JD Niewiadomski
NULLIMPEX INC
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Posted - 2013.07.31 08:24:00 -
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Anita Hardone wrote:And now we are at the point in the thread where people think they deserve more.
"lel" Well, they can turn their AS on 
One more thing, players who turn their AS off could have "Skull & Bones" icon in front of their name... |
Jastad
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
85
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Posted - 2013.07.31 08:24:00 -
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Side note:
Every FPS has this mechanics, the right tune is achieved when people don't feel this mechs |
Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star.
EoN.
760
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Posted - 2013.07.31 09:17:00 -
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But how will the retards aim if you take it out? |
Robert JD Niewiadomski
NULLIMPEX INC
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Posted - 2013.07.31 09:44:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:But how will the retards aim if you take it out? We will have to learn to aim Or go play chess... |
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Drud Green
Royal Uhlans
Amarr Empire
131
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Posted - 2013.07.31 09:46:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:But how will the retards aim if you take it out?
Afraid of a lil competition eh?
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Kekklian Noobatronic
Goonfeet
Top Men.
265
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Posted - 2013.07.31 09:50:00 -
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JETSTORM1090 wrote:In the lastest dev blog I seen that they are reintroducing aim assist...then they continue to say "don't sneer its part of console gaming", well I am sick of people using the crutch that is auto-aim in competitive FPS, whatever skill it takes to play dust will be removed with auto-aim, I just feel it makes games too easy and makes it less fun when a person whos new to games picks up a controller and can perform well because of auto-aim, please don't add it back...
ITT - "I use the Mouse on the PS3, and I don't want DS3 users to have a chance against me."
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Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star.
EoN.
760
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Posted - 2013.07.31 09:54:00 -
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Drud Green wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:But how will the retards aim if you take it out? Afraid of a lil competition eh?
My AA is turned off
Plus it doesnt work if you are in a tank |
Beren Hurin
The Vanguardians
877
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Posted - 2013.07.31 11:04:00 -
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CCP Wolfman's Devblog
Quote:The assists in question are magnetism and adhesion. Magnetism works by helping you maintain your aim as you strafe a target. Adhesion adjusts your rotation when an enemy is targeted to help you stay on target. Why did we disable them in the first place? In testing, we found that in a limited number of circumstances they could interfere with aiming instead of assisting it. We made the decision to disable it until we could iron out the kinks in the system. Since it was disabled, there has been feedback that staying on target, particularly at closer ranges has become harder.
It's off right now. If you think its working for you you are wrong. If you think you are dieing extra because of it you are wrong. If you are a short range AR user, when it comes back, you will be picked off EASIER by longer range players who you have been strafing easily for so long. |
DJINN leukoplast
Hellstorm Inc
League of Infamy
866
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Posted - 2013.07.31 11:09:00 -
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In a competitive FPS game where the kb/m is an option, aim-assist is absolutely mandatory. Otherwise I would agree.
Get rid of kb/m support and get rid of aim-assist, or keep kb/m support and keep aim-assist.
We all know kb/m isn't going anywhere in Dust, therefore aim-assist MUST stay. |
Billi Gene
The Southern Legion
197
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Posted - 2013.07.31 11:15:00 -
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play how you want to play, stop trying to dictate how others play.
wonder if this is just fear of a nerf from the annoying CQC strafe spam community.  |
ryo sayo mio
Algintal Core
Gallente Federation
7
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Posted - 2013.07.31 11:24:00 -
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Yep as much as i dont want more aim assist as a ds3 user i know we need it once the kb/m get there op raw input if u played in the closed beta u will know how op kb/m was. |
semperfi1999
Internal Error.
Negative-Feedback
700
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Posted - 2013.07.31 13:35:00 -
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Hilarious that someone actually said competitive multiplayer and Dust in the same sentence without being derogatory............. |
Aero Yassavi
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
891
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Posted - 2013.07.31 13:43:00 -
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Aim Assist is not the same thing as Auto Aim. And even then, you can have a shooter with auto aim that is still really skill intensive. |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
5560
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Posted - 2013.07.31 13:45:00 -
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As soon as the bigger crutch of KBM is removed, I might be inclined to agree.
I play without aim assist cuz it's broken, but I'll likely turn it back on once it's fixed.
Gotta keep up with the PC tryhards somehow
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Anita Hardone
Fraternity of St. Venefice
Amarr Empire
204
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Posted - 2013.07.31 14:00:00 -
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Only game where ive actually thought the Aim assist was a crutch/exploit is in certain CoD games. You just have to face in the general direction then ADS and it puts you right on the nearest enemy. |
Bones McGavins
TacoCat Industries
393
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Posted - 2013.07.31 14:04:00 -
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JETSTORM1090 wrote:In the lastest dev blog I seen that they are reintroducing aim assist...then they continue to say "don't sneer its part of console gaming", well I am sick of people using the crutch that is auto-aim in competitive FPS, whatever skill it takes to play dust will be removed with auto-aim, I just feel it makes games too easy and makes it less fun when a person whos new to games picks up a controller and can perform well because of auto-aim, please don't add it back...
Auto-aim doesnt remotely remove the competitive nature of FPS on consoles. EVERY FPS on consoles has it. DUST is literally the only one without. Halo? BF? COD? All have aim assist. Aim assist doesnt suddenly take away the need for player skill. Round up 1000 people who play Halo and id be shocked if any of them could kill me 1on1. Halo (before Reach especially) was super competitive, it was an MLG game (still might be). Hell, Halo pretty much defines "competitive FPS on console."
The thought process that auto aim suddenly means no need for skill is flawed.
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Cat Merc
BetaMax.
3654
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Posted - 2013.07.31 14:06:00 -
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Like it or not, it's necessary on a console.
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Oso Peresoso
RisingSuns
434
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Posted - 2013.07.31 14:07:00 -
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Robert JD Niewiadomski wrote:
My proposition is to reward players who turn AS off with higher WP gain, increased base ammo capacity for weapons affected by AS, with higher SP gain and ISK payouts. They deserve it...
This is dumb. You haven't helped anyone win more by turning of aim assist. Its a preference, nothing more. |
Malkai Inos
Opus Arcana
Covert Intervention
941
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Posted - 2013.07.31 14:09:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:Like it or not, it's necessary on a console.
Is it? It seems like many players haven't even noticed that it's gone.
This alone begs the question "why change the status quo?". |
Oso Peresoso
RisingSuns
435
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Posted - 2013.07.31 14:12:00 -
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Malkai Inos wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Like it or not, it's necessary on a console.
Is it? It seems like many players haven't even noticed that it's gone. This alone begs the question "why change the status quo?".
because without it aiming feels like ****. The lack of magnetism makes CQC feel absolutely ridiculous. |
Cat Merc
BetaMax.
3656
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Posted - 2013.07.31 14:13:00 -
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Malkai Inos wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Like it or not, it's necessary on a console.
Is it? It seems like many players haven't even noticed that it's gone. This alone begs the question "why change the status quo?".
It's not gone, it's here, they just removed two features.
Also, people HAVE noticed, Chromosome had it, Uprising doesn't.
Now what is the most complained about feature of Uprising?
Aiming sucks maybe? |
Remm Duchax
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
89
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Posted - 2013.07.31 14:14:00 -
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Well, I always turn it off... |
Oso Peresoso
RisingSuns
435
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Posted - 2013.07.31 14:15:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:]
It's not gone, it's here, they just removed two features.
Also, people HAVE noticed, Chromosome had it, Uprising doesn't.
Now what is the most complained about feature of Uprising?
Aiming sucks maybe?
hmmm, maybe its just me. Maybe I turned off aim assist when trying out MKB, and left it off when I abandoned MKB because it felt awful. Probably should try MKB again since the last time I used it was BEFORE 1.2 |
Malkai Inos
Opus Arcana
Covert Intervention
941
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Posted - 2013.07.31 14:25:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:Malkai Inos wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Like it or not, it's necessary on a console.
Is it? It seems like many players haven't even noticed that it's gone. This alone begs the question "why change the status quo?". It's not gone, it's here, they just removed two features. Also, people HAVE noticed, Chromosome had it, Uprising doesn't. Now what is the most complained about feature of Uprising? Aiming sucks maybe? I for one have no idea what other features aim assist could be composed of. Those two mentioned in the devblog i remember too well as being utterly unhelpfull so aiming improved for me with uprising tbqh.
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Bones McGavins
TacoCat Industries
394
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Posted - 2013.07.31 14:39:00 -
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I have turned on and off aim asisst and noticed no difference. Normally it is quite noticble in games, so if anything is "on" its pretty useless.
Again, to bring up Halo. Play it, try to shoot a team mate with an Assault Rifle, then try to shoot an opponent. The latter is much much easier. DUST feels a lot like team killing in HALO, which is aim assist free. Decent aim assist will go a long, long way toward making DUST feel better in regards to aiming on the DS3. Hit detection will still be an issue, but it will be a lot less noticible because kill times will be quicker so you wont notice every single shot that didnt register. |
MlDDLE MANGEMENT
lMPurity
249
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Posted - 2013.07.31 14:40:00 -
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JETSTORM1090 wrote:In the latest dev blog I seen that they are reintroducing aim assist...then they continue to say "don't sneer its part of console gaming", well I am sick of people using the crutch that is auto-aim in competitive FPS, whatever skill it takes to play dust will be removed with auto-aim, I just feel it makes games too easy and makes it less fun when a person whos new to games picks up a controller and can perform well because of auto-aim, please don't add it back...
Hate to break it to you, Aim assist (not auto aim) has been in every FPS on console forever. Games that allow you to turn off aim-assist allow you to often turn off magnetization which will keep a cursor glued to center mass, but they still assit in aiming in other ways.
There is no raw input version of aiming for gamepads on console PERIOD. Fact is if you ever played a shooter of any kind with a controller that used pure raw input you would call the aim crap and never play the game again citing the aiming as completely broken because you have been conditioned forever to think aim functions perfectly with a controller without "assists"
Assits have always been there in the background don't fool yourself, just because the game developers don't have the balls to shatter the illusion for people don't mean people need remain ignorant to the fact you can't console shoot on gamepads without assists. |
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